If you want a Dan Wesson get it now....

[rellascout]

CZ is screwing up this company. Why on earth would you make your #1 selling product only available to the most unfriendly gun state in the country? CZ you are killing the golden goose. You are the parent company of the manufacturer of the best production 1911 being made today and instead of capitalizing on that you want to become Wilson Cobat/Ed Brown/Les Baer. Why???????

If you are looking for a Dan Wesson get it now. The CBOB is all but gone for 49 of the 50 states come 2010. It will be replaced with the VBOB but this gun will be $300 to $400 more than the current CBOB. They are moving away from being production guns to semi-custom guns. It makes no sense to me.

The info below in bold is straight from the horses mouth via people connected with http://forums.1911forum.com/ and Dan Wesson.

-We will be producing 3500 units next year.

-The 10mm and the 40 will be dropped next year. Why? For the past three years our sales for these calibers have dropped and dropped so for next year we will be taking a break from them. This does not mean that these are discontinued for good we are just taking a break.

-3500 units total!

-Every model will now have a forged frame.

-We will also be unvailing more of our own parts this year. All of our guns will now be coming with our new bar stock thumb safeties, tool steel fire controls and our own 70 series bar stock firing pins.

-I will try to post pics before Shot but We are not producing these yet.

-The Valor rear sight will be changed from the adjustable sight that you all hate to the Heinie Ledge Straight Eight.

-Many of our models will be dropped. It has been rumored that the bobtail will be dropped. This is not true, nor will the PM7. But... They will only be available for our California friends since that is all they can have.

-Models to be continued:
Valor
CCO
Heritage

-Our Valor is now a series and will be expanded next year.

-Bobtail commander Valor anyone?

-How about a Stainless Valor in a satin glass bead finish.

-Oh I forgot...Duty "Coat" Will now be a Duty "Treatment"

-The checkering will also be improved on the Valor's to extend closer to the trigger guard and both the bobtail and the full sized version will have EB's checkered msh.

-We will be adding one new model from days gone by. This model will be a conglomerate of our most popular models and many of your requests.

-Who remembers the Guardian?

-You are right the Heritage is a winner. That is why we are not dropping it just changing it a little.

-The Deuce was a two tone. No two tones next year. It is either black or it is stainless.

-Guardian

Aluminum Commander Frame
Commander length slide
Tritium night sights
Med. length trigger

These are for women and your wives right??

It will be bobbed.

More cliffs:
500 Valor Black
500 Valor Stainless
400 Vbob Black
500 Vbob Stainless
400 Guardian
400 CCO
500 Heritage
200 Cbob California only
100 PM7 California only

 

[highorder]

Why would you only offer something in California, because its all they can have?

 

[rellascout]

They are the only ones that DW has on the approved list and they will not be submitting other pistols for approval.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[ugaarguy]

That kills me. I have a hard time believing their 10mm sales have dropped that much, because they still can't deliver the product. I've had a PM7-10 on order through one of their largest distributors since early spring. I guess the folks at Fusion will be getting my business now.

 

[Kingofthehill]

YUP... their prices are getting into the relm of "The next level".... At those prices, I'll be purchasing STI/Fusion

 

[M&PVolk]

I like the notion of a greater line of Valor guns and more forged parts, but not if the line is going to go up in price significantly. They were a good alternative to Kimber, but if they are going to go to true custom status and prices, better to get a real custom from Brown or someone.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

There's nothing to keep a dealer in kali from shipping out of state.

 

[Cougfan2]

YUP... their prices are getting into the relm of "The next level".... At those prices, I'll be purchasing STI/Fusion

Glad I got my CBOB when I got it. It won't be for sale any time soon. I agree that if the prices go where it looks like they are going, I would look at STI or even pop the extra bucks and just go with an Ed Brown or Wilson Combat.

 

[rellascout]

Anyone shipping one out of CA is going to rape you on it. Why bother at that point. The DW guns like the CBOB was great when it was $800. At $1000 it was still a good deal. Now that it will be pushed to $1500 I would rather have this.



Oh that is right I already have the Baer. I passed on the Valor to get it and that was when the Valor was $1200.

 

[ckone]

Damn, someone sell me a CBOB, it's going out of style and you'll be stuck with it, I'll give you $500!

 

[atomd]

I don't blame any maker for not submitting new pistols to CA for their approval. CA can go stuff it. I don't get why they would only sell 2 models to CA dealers though. That doesn't make much sense, especially since the CBOB is a big seller. The PM7 is a popular model too. I'll have to see that one to believe it.

I also don't blame them for stopping with the 10mm and .40 for the moment. I like the guns but every store I see a DW in has a 10mm or a .40 in stock and is sold out of the .45 models. They can only make so many guns and the .45s are more desirable.

I'm not going to pass judgment on them until I see the new models/availability and the new pricing with my own eyes. If they are going to be asking $1500ish prices for their Valor, I'd buy a Baer instead...and so will a bunch of other people. Not that the Valor is a bad gun...in fact, it's a great gun but value plays a part in that. I like DW guns. I hope they don't mess this up.

 

[EddieNFL]

I washed my hands of DW some years ago when they installed the incorrect part and refused to admit their mistake.

 

[rellascout]

Its already done.... Their production numbers tell you the direction that they are going. 3500 pistols that's it.

 

[Blind Bat]

Dang.... I knew this would happen. I love CZ firearms and but I have no faith in CZ-USA.
I was really hoping to sink some money into a Heritage next year before they started jacking the price up like they've been doing with the regular CZ line.

Anyone have a clue how many pistols DW produced in 2009?

 

[Jason_G]

Anyone have a clue how many pistols DW produced in 2009?

I think 3000, but I might be wrong.

I'm kind of in bewilderment at the CBOB only being sold in Cali

I guess the folks at DW are seeing the VBOB and Guardian pistols as an upgrade from the CBOB, but I would personally rather have a commander length steel pistol with the bobbed MSH.... Commanders carry easier than 5" 1911s for me, and I don't care much for aluminum/lightweight alloy frames, so where does that leave me?

I'm scratchin' my head on this one guys- and thankful that I got my CBOB while the gettin' was good.

PS: I think the CBOB will be back in 2011.


Jason

 

[earlthegoat2]

So Dan Wesson CBOBs have officially gone up in price.

I suppose Californians can sell them on GB to out of state.....at a tidy profit. Maybe I ought to set up a gun shop in Califorinia for just that reason.

I think this is only going to be a one year thing while CZ learns a bit more about the american market. You think they should by now.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Its already done.... Their production numbers tell you the direction that they are going. 3500 pistols that's it.

They normally do around 3000 total a year I love my CBOB and wanted another That money now will go to Brown for a Kobra carry Will only take me a couple more months to save difference from what I already have laid back.

 

[rellascout]

What I do not understand why they are not looking to up production of the CBOB? It is by far their best seller and the best value on the market.

 

[71Commander]

I didn't even know that they made a CBOB in .40.

Any hoo! My CBOB.

 

[tipoc]

We are still in a depression, that tends to effect sales of a lot of things.

DW says they are making less guns and cutting back on some models for awhile. Production of CBOBs will be limited. They are on the list in Ca. and Ca. is a big market (none bigger) so for awhile what CBOBs are produced will go there.

Hats off to DW for being up front about it. Not everyone would be or are.

Not the end of the world. Things pick up there will be more CBOBs

tipoc

 

[rellascout]

Tipoc if it is the economy that is the issue why are they raising prices and pushing the price point of their guns higher?

 

[schmeky]

rellascout,

Your post #9 hit the nail on the head. DW is trying to move into Les Baer territory. I have a LB, and if given a choice between a DW and LB for the same money, I would pick the LB.

If DW wants a winner and a sure fire way to increase their volume, they need to produce a moderate priced 1911 in 9mm.

 

[rellascout]

I think the CBOB is a winner. That is really the part that leaves me scratching my head.

They can sell as many CBOBs as they can make but they are going to stop production to make a $300 to $400 higher priced pistol the VBOB.

I really think that the this is a huge mistake. They had a perfect middle niche going. They were the best production 1911 in the sub $1000 range.

Now they will be low man on the totem pole in the world of semi customs.

 

[tipoc]

Tipoc if it is the economy that is the issue why are they raising prices and pushing the price point of their guns higher?

CZ as a whole has raised the price of their guns. The price of steel has increased steadily. Why they are doing it in particular I don't know other than lagging sales in some models as they say and that they are a part of CZ. A year or 2 years ago they ceased production of the Razorback and re-introduced it awhile later after back inventory had cleared out. It looks to me like a company working to stay in business.

The 1911 market is a crowded one. Armscorp (Rock Island Arsenal) and Taurus have made headway on the low end. The middle has been crowded some by S&W.

I don't know all of it but I don't see enough evidence yet that DW is going the Wilson/ Baer semi-custom route. Till I see different I'll take them at their word.

tipoc

 

[rellascout]

Tipoc,

They are moving the majority of the production to the Valor. 1900 of the 3500 units they plan to make.


500 Valor Black
500 Valor Stainless
400 Vbob Black
500 Vbob Stainless

They are raising the price of it and using more in house parts. These pistols will be $1500+ based on what you can get a Valor for these days. So what other conclusion is there to draw? These numbers are from Dan Wesson. They are not made up.

Your its the economy argument does no make sense. When you are facing tighter pockets then you look to sell value which the CBOB represents. The Valor is a good gun but it is only considered value when compared to a Les Baer, Wilson, Ed Brown or other semi-custom. Again they are clearly attempting to be the value pistol of the high end semi-customs. They are wading into deep waters with that market.

Their pistols are much better than what S&W offers. Sorry but they are far from dominate in that market segment.