If you were to magically add a RKBA to some country´s constitution, which one?
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Has someone said California yet? (I know it's not a foreign country but gun law wise, it is.)
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It's a noble thought, but giving someone or some country "rights" is much different than a group of men staging and winning a revolution. It's hard to grant people rights with any deep and significant meaning. Let's see how it works out in Iraq. Hopefully the Iraqi citizens will step up and defend their newly granted freedoms.
I think we had some brilliant fighting men that won the Revolution and compromised to develop The Constitution, the greatest symbol of freedom that mortal man has ever witnessed.
A big issue is that many US citizens today do not understand and value the sacrifice made by our founding fathers and literally millions of men and women who've served and defended the United States through our history.
We are presently preparing to decide the future of our country - freedom, market forces, individual liberty and the ability to succeed or fail OR "Economic Justice" aka socialism, government control, and malaise...
Last call for Freedom ?
I think we had some brilliant fighting men that won the Revolution and compromised to develop The Constitution, the greatest symbol of freedom that mortal man has ever witnessed.
A big issue is that many US citizens today do not understand and value the sacrifice made by our founding fathers and literally millions of men and women who've served and defended the United States through our history.
We are presently preparing to decide the future of our country - freedom, market forces, individual liberty and the ability to succeed or fail OR "Economic Justice" aka socialism, government control, and malaise...
Last call for Freedom ?
rockinrussky
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Washington DC would be nice...
And I bet the common person in China is wondering, if there are all these private guns in the US, why isn't there a revolution against the government that's taking away personal rights/privacy and terrorizing the world?
Did anyone ever watch Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? I wish they really made the "point of view gun".
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Before I messed with any other country, I would change the wording of the US Second Amendment to something like: The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Infringed means restricted, regulated, registered, or any other legislation whatsoever. The penalty for infringing or for supporting infringement in any manner whatsoever will be summary outlawry. Any citizen who subsequently kills such an outlaw may use the said infringement or attempt to infringe as an affirmative defense to the charge of murder. If any such charge is brought, a grand jury will examine the prosecutor's conduct to decide if his or her actions meet the definition of infringement.
In other words, for all the antis, we mean it and have put some teeth in it.
In other words, for all the antis, we mean it and have put some teeth in it.
Prince Yamato
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I'd like it to go to France. And I'd want them to have CCW reciprocity with us.
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Given that a 'right' granted by the government is actually a privilege, and that the only Rights extant are those seized by the individual from Power, in whatever form, I'd say that as soon as Norway adopts the 16th Article of the Vermont Constitution (or Vermont asserts its Constitution, as contradistinct and superior to the Federal), I'm gone like the wind.
'Til then, I take care of my own, seeing in secret.
'Til then, I take care of my own, seeing in secret.
bleachcola
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Djibouti.
My first reaction when I saw the thread title was Britain. They're great friends of the U.S. and I feel for them.
Then I saw the first response was China... Great idea, I thought. 1/4 of the word's population is Chinese. The biggest impact for a free world would be to arm the biggest chunk of the world.
Then I had a brilliant thought. The U.S. We had the right to keep and bear arms but it has been reasonably restricted into oblivion for most of the U.S. Of course I quickly saw that I wasn't the only one who thought of that.
Of course there's no point arming a people who are not prepared or anxious to be armed. If they don't appreciate the opportunity, they would soon give it up.
Then I saw the first response was China... Great idea, I thought. 1/4 of the word's population is Chinese. The biggest impact for a free world would be to arm the biggest chunk of the world.
Then I had a brilliant thought. The U.S. We had the right to keep and bear arms but it has been reasonably restricted into oblivion for most of the U.S. Of course I quickly saw that I wasn't the only one who thought of that.
Of course there's no point arming a people who are not prepared or anxious to be armed. If they don't appreciate the opportunity, they would soon give it up.
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Iwould put that RKBA into the Swedish Constitution. You should know that until the early nineteenseventies the Constitution said that all official power in Sweden comes from the king. That means that constitutionally there was no reason for the people to be armed, the constitution said that the Swedes were subjects of the crown, nothing more.
In 1973 or something they changed the constitution to say that all official power in sweden comes from the people. If all power comes from the people the people must actually posess that power, consequently the people ought to have been given more liberty and a stronger right to keep arms, that is not the case, in fact ther tight to keep arms have been severely restricted since that change in the constitution, as have the right to bear knives as well as other basic human liberties, not least is the recently passed law allowing the government to read or record all electronic communication that at any time passes the nation line, wich in fact is almost all electronic comunications., not only all within or into or out of sweden, but many communications that really are supposed to be within other countries as welll.
Sweden need the RKBA to be protected by our constitution right now, as a line in the sand saying that this is where the erosion of our liberties stops and we start retaking lost ground.
In 1973 or something they changed the constitution to say that all official power in sweden comes from the people. If all power comes from the people the people must actually posess that power, consequently the people ought to have been given more liberty and a stronger right to keep arms, that is not the case, in fact ther tight to keep arms have been severely restricted since that change in the constitution, as have the right to bear knives as well as other basic human liberties, not least is the recently passed law allowing the government to read or record all electronic communication that at any time passes the nation line, wich in fact is almost all electronic comunications., not only all within or into or out of sweden, but many communications that really are supposed to be within other countries as welll.
Sweden need the RKBA to be protected by our constitution right now, as a line in the sand saying that this is where the erosion of our liberties stops and we start retaking lost ground.
Stevie-Ray
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I had an aquaintence from Australia that I worked with, and I remember him saying that the idiotic gun laws that we had here in the states would never fly in Australia. Just goes to show you that it can happen anywhere. We can never let our guard down, no matter what the complacents say.
I would love for Australia to take (or get) their rights back. I'm kinda torn between them and Canada.
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Iran.
Canada, because they adjoin us and really that is the only thing that keeps me from moving up there for a few years.
2. England - To create a RKBA bulwark in Europe
3. Russia - Take away the communism and Russia is another place I would love to visit/spend time.
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
2. England - To create a RKBA bulwark in Europe
3. Russia - Take away the communism and Russia is another place I would love to visit/spend time.
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
bleachcola
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One problem I see with a lot of these posts is that you guys are assuming that the population wants guns but their evil dictator overlords are keeping that right away. For pretty much every country you guys listed, the vast majority of citizens don't believe they should have access to the guns that are banned in that country. They continue to elect officials that promote those laws. That's just democracy folks. If those people don't want the freedoms that we have here in the States then I'm not going to wish it upon them.
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This would require a true separation of Scotland from the UK but it's the one place I want to move to before I die. Scotland needs to develop a true sense of self-defense.
I wouldn't bother - Scotland want to ban Air rifles let along support the ownership of real firearms.
And yep ... quite happy to let Scotland drift away if they want to.
I wouldn't bother - Scotland want to ban Air rifles let along support the ownership of real firearms.
And yep ... quite happy to let Scotland drift away if they want to.
Well..
1. United States (fix the one we have and strengthen it)
2. European union. Put it at the larger level so it eventually enters each member country.
3. United nations - let the larger organization push it down to member states in the annoying way the UN tries to meddle.
Get it acknowledged on the largest possible scale, which I suppose really means the UN should be #1, and then see how many nations follow that lead.
1. United States (fix the one we have and strengthen it)
2. European union. Put it at the larger level so it eventually enters each member country.
3. United nations - let the larger organization push it down to member states in the annoying way the UN tries to meddle.
Get it acknowledged on the largest possible scale, which I suppose really means the UN should be #1, and then see how many nations follow that lead.
>>I'm going with the OP on the Russia choice. Imagine what the Russian people could do if their government was less oppressive, not that firearms ownership in and of itself would do that.<<
Would be good, but useless for the purposes stated. You just don't want to bear a pistol in the case of civil war, you have to use some kind of scoped rifle, or at least - a semi-auto shotgun. And those are legal and unexpensive in most countries, including Russia. True rights are not granted, they are taken, valued and protected.
Would be good, but useless for the purposes stated. You just don't want to bear a pistol in the case of civil war, you have to use some kind of scoped rifle, or at least - a semi-auto shotgun. And those are legal and unexpensive in most countries, including Russia. True rights are not granted, they are taken, valued and protected.
jahwarrior
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if i had the power to grant the rights listed in the Constitution, i'd give them to every single country on the planet. every one, because they all deserve it as much as we do. then, let them sort it out themselves. those that deserve it will keep it and abide by it, those that don't will either go back to what they were, self destruct, or evolve into something else.
bltmonty
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Mexico--because I get tired of checking my vehicles for weapons every time I go there...and because I always feel the need to be armed there..and because my Mexican colleagues are desperate for some kind of security.
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