(IL) Ballistic fingerprinting SB1095

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This started as a shell bill then added this amendment. Here is the link to Link to Amendment

AMENDMENT TO SENATE BILL 1095

2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend Senate Bill 1095 by replacing
3 everything after the enacting clause with the following:

4 "Section 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the
5 Ammunition Accountability Act.

6 Section 5. Definitions. For purposes of this Act:
7 (a) "Coded" and "coded ammunition" mean a bullet carrying a
8 unique identifier that has been applied by etching the same
9 onto the base of the bullet.
10 (B) "Firearm ammunition" shall have the meaning provided in
11 Section 1.1 of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act,
12 except that it shall not include shotgun shells or ammunition
13 designed to be used in muzzle-loading "black powder" firearms.

14 Section 10. Prohibition on sale, manufacture, or use of
15 non-coded ammunition.




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1 (a) All firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the
2 State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2008 shall be coded by
3 the manufacturer.
4 (B) Effective January 1, 2010, all firearm ammunition used
5 within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the
6 manufacturer.
7 © On or after January 1, 2010, a person in possession of
8 non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1,
9 2008, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual
10 residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another
11 state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer.
12 (d) This Section does not apply to any memorabilia or
13 display item that is filled with a permanent inert substance or
14 that is otherwise permanently altered in a manner that prevents
15 ready modification for use as live ammunition.

16 Section 15. Authority to establish an Ammunition Coding
17 System Database.
18 (a) The Department of State Police shall be responsible for
19 establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System
20 Database (ACSD) containing the following information:
21 (1) Manufacturer registry. The manufacturers shall:
22 (i) register with the Department of State Police in a
23 manner prescribed by the Department through rule; and (ii)
24 maintain records on the business premises for a period of
25 seven years concerning all sales, loans, and transfers of




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1 ammunition, to, from, or within the State.
2 (2) Vendor registry. The vendors shall:
3 (A) register with Department of State Police in a
4 manner prescribed by the Department through rule;
5 (B) record the following information in a format
6 prescribed by rule by the Department of State Police:
7 (i) the date of the transaction; (ii) the name of the
8 transferee; (iii) the purchaser's driver's license
9 number or other government issued identification card
10 number; (iv) the date of birth of the purchaser; (v)
11 the unique identifier of all ammunition; and (vi) such
12 other information as the Department of State Police may
13 by rule prescribe; and
14 © maintain records on the business premises for a
15 period of 3 years from the date of the recorded
16 purchase.
17 (B) To the greatest extent possible or practical, the ACSD
18 shall be built within the framework of existing firearms
19 databases. Subject to appropriation, the ACSD shall be
20 operational no later than January 1, 2008.
21 © Privacy of individuals is of the utmost importance.
22 Access to information in the ACSD is reserved for law
23 enforcement personnel and to be released only in connection
24 with a criminal investigation.

25 Section 20. Penalties.




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1 (a) Any vendor that knowingly fails to comply with this
2 Act, or who knowingly falsifies the records required to be kept
3 under this Act, is guilty of a petty offense and is subject to
4 a fine of $1,000 for each violation. Each retail package of
5 ammunition sold in violation of this Act shall be deemed a
6 separate violation.
7 (B) Any manufacturer that knowingly fails to comply with
8 the requirement of this Act is guilty of a petty offense, and
9 is subject to a fine of $1,000 for a first violation and for a
10 second violation is guilty of a business offense and is subject
11 to a fine of $5,000, and for a third or subsequent violation is
12 guilty of a business offense and is subject to a fine of
13 $10,000. Each wholesale package manufactured in violation of
14 this Act shall be deemed a separate violation.
15 © Any person who knowingly destroys, obliterates, or
16 otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required
17 pursuant to this Act, on any bullet or assembled ammunition,
18 shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. This subsection © shall
19 not apply to any person who destroys, obliterates, or otherwise
20 renders unreadable, the serialization required hereunder in
21 the process of filling ammunition with a permanent inert
22 substance or otherwise permanently altering it in a manner that
23 prevents ready modification for use as live ammunition.".
 
DAMN they just wont stop!!


Like they are trying to outdo California.

How did this bill get so far being an empty shell bill??
 
***? where does that leave guys with need weird ammunition? (IE my nagant revolver)

I am sorry that you guys from IL are run under the oppressive rule of those in Springfield and Chicago :(
 
...So, you goes out, buys you a box 'o' ammo, yank out the bullets, file off the etching on the base and stuff 'em back into the cases, and you goes out and does your crime - with your spare barrel, of course!

What a waste of time, money, and sense. All they'll be able to tell is who went to the gun range with that stupid arse, fallible law. To get any benefit from such a law, they'll have to assume and/or hope the criminals will buy their ammo in Illinois. ..................................Humff............Ha............
ROFLOL!! Repeat until you pass out!

Woody
 
What a waste of time, money, and sense.

You hit the proverbial nail on the head. WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY it makes complete sense however, if you want to outlaw guns or make people stop using them, TAKE AWAY the ammunition or make it so inconvenient to get that noone wants to take the time or spend the money.
 
Line 12 of the amendment states that "it shall not include shotgun shells"....

That one line renders the entire bill useless and I know I'm preachin' to the choir here but if I'm some criminal - WHICH I'M NOT, and I want to commit a murder - WHICH I DON"T, all I have to do to get around this useless piece of harassment legislation is use a shotgun. No brainer.

These politicians are throwing anything and everything at us to try and take guns from WE THE PEOPLE. They're not gun controllers, they're gun abolitionists. Don't stop calling your senators and reps. Keep the pressure on! It's working. SB16 appears to be stalled at the moment because of the pressure we law abiding citizens of Illinois put on our Senators. We can do the same with the House version HB873 and this latest piece of crap harassment bill SB1095. Call them until they're sick and tired of you. Then call, write and email them some more. Get your neighbors to call and write. Put the fear of losing their power in their shriveled, black hearts. It's all about power. They work for us.

And to all you defeatist Illinoisans, shut up and get the hell out of the way. Move out of state, give up, whatever. I will stand and fight.
 
I do believe that the Democrats in ILLinois are purposefully trying to bankrupt the state to declare emergency martial law or something....nothing else makes any more sense. :scrutiny:
 
"Not Even Wrong!"

a) Did you know that the phrase "Not Even Wrong" has its own Wikipedia page? ;)

b) Ignoring (because there's little point in rehashing) all the other overlapping problems of this misinformed, useless / pointless piece-of-trash bill, imagine for a moment that it's 2013, you live in IL, and the bill has passed.

- How many numbers of that special etched-in code have to be visible for it to count in court?

- Just what is the appropriate premium for well-aged ammo (like parmesan cheese, except guaranteed aged "no less than 84 months")?

- If ammo is stolen from a gun store, should we let the gun store's owner's family visit him in jail?

- What's the penalty for owning a reloading bench?

"Suggestions" (after all, just a bill) like this one are flabbergasting -- they hardly seem worth responding to, except when you consider that so many people trust the government to be benevolent and wise, and most people (for good reason) aren't even arm-chair experts on the technical aspects of firearms ;)

Book title idea for John Lott: "What's the Matter with Illinois?"

timothy
 
its already traceable....

Aroudn 4 years ago an ammunition maker announced that it had developed a way to track its loaded ammuniton, even bulk powder sold to reloaders. How you ask?

Well they applied a technology found in everybodies car. They use microscopic id tags. Basically in the powder is a non combustable piece of material that has a a number on it. Every batch and lot of powder has its own unique number engraved on this piece of material.

Basically someone shoots the 7-11 video camera in a robbery, the police swab and find the little piece of material with an id number, they then contact the ammunition companies and this little number then tells the police when the ammo was made, the caliber, and then the police can find out what wholesaler bought it from the maker, and what stores bought it from wholesaler, and who bought it from those stores....

SO its already being done, in a way that doesnt create special taxes or outlaw ammunition. Besides no company is going to put that unique id number on every single bullet.
Example, hornady makes lets say 4,000,000 bullets a year, are they really going to spend lots of money to buy equipement to engrave a number on each and every bullet?
And what about the millions of rounds of 22 short, long, long rifle that are made by just about every ammo company every year? Are they going to do that with 22's? I dont think so, because of cost.
 
Originally posted by Anotherguy:
It's like having a second full time job just staying on top of these weasels....

Yes it is. It seems like everyweek we have some sort of new anti-gun bill introduced. I am beginning to feel like it really is hopeless here.

Originally posted by yhtomit:
Book title idea for John Lott: "What's the Matter with Illinois?"

The funding for that book would need to dwarf the National debt.
 
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