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NY Bill Sets Up Ammo DB - Requires Manufacturers To Register & Report

Discussion in 'Legal' started by dc dalton, Jun 21, 2013.

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  1. medalguy

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    OK, so in three years all uncoded ammo will be contraband. What are you supposed to do with unmarked ammo? Pull the bullets and mark them? Go out and shoot it all up?

    What about handloaders? What about those who cast their own bullets? Does the law apply only to licensed "manufacturers" or does it apply to Joe Schmoe who is busy casting his own bullets and is not a manufacturer? And after seven years any licensed manufacturer can destroy old records. What if a BG use ammo manufactured eight years ago?

    Ever seen a production line for ammunition? How is a manufacturer supposed to keep numbers etched onto the base of loaded ammo together and load consecutive numbered, loaded bullets in ammunition into the same box?

    What idiots thought up this law anyway? Oh right, New Yawk legislators. :cuss:
     
  2. Bubbles

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    Manufacturers of firearms, ammunition, magazines, etc. should stop recognizing law-enforcement exemptions to gun control laws, and not just in New York.
     
  3. Shadow 7D

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    Don't sell to the cops, don't sell to the state
    what is good for the goose, is good for the gander
    Wonder how the state will feel when the NG go for training and the rounds cost 3 bucks a shot.
     
  4. BigN

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    The NY politicians couldn't care less what the residents say. That's how we got into this mess in the first place. It's an extremely liberal state and the few actual conservative politicians we have get stepped on by the powers that be. Cuomo and Bloomberg are calling the shots here and until they're out of office, this will continue and get much worse. Think they pass these laws in the middle of the night because they care what residents want?
     
  5. Speedo66

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    I don't think NYS as a whole is particularly liberal, just the NYC metropolitan area. However, the population is roughly equal downstate to upstate, so especially with Sheldon Silver, an ultra liberal in charge of the assembly, and Cuomo as governor, they've got a lock on what it proposed, and what passes.

    So basically in NY, you have the tail shaking the dog. Three men in a room deciding all that happens in that state. All other "representatives" have been excluded. When legislation has to be passed in the middle of the night to prevent any discussion or disclosure, one could question whether a democracy is still in existence.

    This ammo bill is unworkable, just as the 7 round limit in non existing mags was. The problem is, they don't care. If it slows or cuts off the supply, they've accomplished their mission. Next, they'll only allow phaser guns set to stun.
     
  6. RetiredUSNChief

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    Might I suggest that this isn't central around any given individual, however this may seem to the layman. There is a power structure in place which supports them...removing the individuals by voting them out doesn't change the underlying power structure. That will take a long-term effort above and beyond that involved in changing the guard on a single office.
     
  7. rodregier

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    What is this list?

    This is a list of companies that have taken the step to publicly announce that they will not sell items to states, counties, cities, and municipalities that restrict their citizens rights to own them; therefore closing the "police loophole" themselves. It is important to note that we are against gun control; we are not against any particular government agency or individuals.
     
  8. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    I would love to buy a NY gun with the stamp on it for a youtube video. Fire a few shots, show the stamp, pull out a file for 2 minutes, take a few more shots and shot that there is no longer any markings.

    Won't that be fun?
     
  9. Shadow 7D

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    Yeah, till Como tried to send brownshirts to drag you to NY for illegal destruction....
     
  10. Doc7

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    Also with a round tax, the higher prices will spread throughout the nation eventually anyway. Not like the stores selling ammo won't realize New Yorkers are coming over because its 5 bucks cheaper for a brick of 22, and end up increasing pricing accordingly. Might take a while but it could spread far....
     
  11. Speedo66

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    If it's illegal to possess unstamped ammo after 3 years, they have just sounded the death knell for hand loaders.
     
  12. dragon813gt

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    Three years is not near enough time to get rid if all non stamped ammo. Who is going to buy the non stamped ammo? Is the state going to either pay for it outright or trade stamped for non stamped. There are so many potential issues w/ this. It's not like ammo is perishable. W/ a shelf life of half a century or more this will become a major problem for the state and the citizens.


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  13. rodregier

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    Could make shotguns or obscure cartridges real popular...
     
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    Exactly, if all makers would simply stop selling anything to NY, let Bloomie on his road trip be responsible for buying ammo.

    Isn't it time for the second US revolution to start? Really, even the FF didn't put up with this much crap from King George before the boiling point was reached; nor did the South before seceding....

    I was born and raised in NYC, you couldn't pay me to visit that Nazi totalitarian enclave....
     
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    Microstamping an unique identifier on every bullet isn't even possible. Barcoding technology has come a long way but when you have millions of bullets produced every year there is no way manufacturers will be able to fit a barcode that could contain enough digits on a bullet.
     
  16. RetiredUSNChief

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    True...to a point.

    Until you realize that you can use more than just numbers to represent digits. Which means that you can use another (higher) base numbering system other than base 10.

    For example, using the digits 0 through 9, you can get only 1,000,000 different combinations for a 6 digit number. (Ten to the 6th power.)

    If you add the 26 letters of the alphabet to that, you go from base 10 to base 36. This increases the number of different possible combinations for a 6 digit number to 2,176,782,336. (36 to the 6th power.)

    Adding still more non-alphanumeric symbols will increase that even more.

    The caliber of the bullet can also be used to uniquely ID it, in combination with the microstamped info.

    Change tactics to include a character to identify the year and you'll easily be able to assign a unique microstamp to ammunition across several decades.

    There are lots of ways to do this, even for billions of rounds of ammunition being manufactured, including who makes it.

    There are practical limitations, given the technique used to perform the microstamping, the material being microstamped, and so forth. But it can be done.

    Just sayin'...

    :uhoh:
     
  17. Willie Sutton

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    (NOTE: We do have some political say...but not as much as NY residents do.)


    We have exactly the same political say that Bloomberg has in Maine and in the other places where he attempts to influence the outcome: The power to spend money and time to educate the voters, even if we reside elsewhere.

    TV and print ads with smiling faces of families enjoying hunting, fishing, amusement parks, at the opera, looking at the big city lights, and time on the beach, etc., with the message: "We are enjoying our family vacation and spending a lot of money... someplace else. The money we are spending is being spent where our right to defend ourselves and our families is respected. Come join us, someplace else. And if you run a tourism business, call your state senator and tell him that you would like us to return".


    Taking your money elsewhere silently is of no real consequence. Taking it elsewhere and TELLING PEOPLE why you are not spending it at THEIR STORE is sending a message.

    Willie


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