(IL) Gangs bringing out the big guns

[Matthew748]

blume, it's Chicago. Everything is large caliber as everything is illegal.

Actually, this happened in Chicago Heights, a suburb 10 or so miles to the south of the city proper. I have no idea what type of local laws they have, but obviously they fall under IL and Cook county laws. It is a strange area, there are some Italian hold-out neighborhoods that are not bad, but the rest of the city has really gone down the tubes.

Until both Indiana and Illinois get their act together and finish the construction on 80/94, I am forced to commute through Chicago Heights and lovely Ford Heights, unarmed, to get to work. Wish me luck!

 

[Janitor]

After reading the title of this thread, I thought the gangs had gotten ahold of a hotchkiss gun or something... not a puny .30 cal.

No doubt. I was expecting at *least* a .50 BMG or some such.

I'm not sure when .30 became a 'large caliber' - seems to be a fairly average size to me - like (number out of my a$$ time) 90% or better of the military small arms in use worldwide today? I think that this ...

when they pass the 'large calibre weapons' ban the public will remember all the previous crimes committed with 'large calibre weapons', and nod in solemn approval.

... may be horribly close to the truth of the situation.

But this really shouldn't surprise any of us here. Note that the creep uses the terms "fully automatic military assult rifle" and "submachine gun" as though there was actually some sort of indication that automatic weapons had been used. But there was a complete lack of any other evidence of this in the article, other than the journalist must like saying those things.

I'm afraid that the term "large caliber" have now been joined to terms like "assult weapon" and "fully automatic military" and "evil black submachine gun". Terms meant to make one stand up and wail "what about the children?"

To tell the truth - after thinking about it a bit, there are so many lies and purposfully misdirecting statements in that story, I'm actually a bit surprised that a .50 BMG *didn't* show up in the article. Certainly, any witness sticking his head out of his window to watch a running gunfight that saw an Uzi and an AK could have been convinced to see a .50 as long as he was at it. Maybe a gang member trying to take out an airliner would have added just the right zest to the article.

 

[Waitone]

Anyone think it's a little suspicious that they used the word 'large calibre' so often? Just sort of seems like they received the new directives from the boss, and they are to use words like 'large calibre' whenever possible.

Yea, me too. The only anti-gun initiative Schumeroids have going is Kennedy's jihad against cop killing ammo. You know, the ammo that that is fired by a center located primer? If this article is the latest move by Brady et al we should see other articles take a sudden interest in the caliber of the ammo, something which happened very seldom in the past.

Mr prediction? The push against centerfired ammo has begun.

 

[Master Blaster]

Looking out his window after hearing a disturbance, the man said he saw one man armed with an Uzi submachine gun, another with an AK-47 and other men with other types of guns.

You know around here that would be sufficient for a n- Knock warrant, and then they wouldnt have to rely on the landlord or code enforcement.

Are the police scared of these folks??????

 

[nfl1990]

If you folks are right about Brady, Kennedy, and Shumer, it might be time to start stocking up.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

When did 30 cal. and Ak's become large caliber? Just shows, again, the folks writing the news don't have a clue. Up until the m-16 almost all military type rifles for the past century were 30 cal.

I picked up on this, too, but the way I read the article the erroneous (or "misleading") statement came from the police, not the author. Certainly makes you wonder if the guy might be dyslexic -- 7.62mm is "large caliber" but 9mm apparently isn't. Hmmmm ...

 

[ctdonath]

Once they get it socially ingrained that .30 is "large caliber heavy weapons", banning the relatively monstorously huge .50 becomes a no-brainer to most sheeple.

 

[TheEgg]

one of which police referred to as a common hangout for gang members and drug dealers.

All large city police departmenst do the same thing. They KNOW where the drug dealers are, and the gangs hang-out but do nothing about it, until some ultra-violent episode makes them conduct some sort of PR stunt to close some of these places down. Otherwise they seem to ignore them.

Why? Payoffs anyone? Or just lazy?

On the article -- 99.99% of the people would not know an AK-47 if you inserted it into their anal orifice. These days, any time someone sees a rifle the cry goes up "Assault Weapon!!!!" "AK-47!!!!!!" Often turns out to be a .22lr.

 

[MechAg94]

Huh, I thought all guns were illegal in Chicago, and I know for a fact that shooting up a house and the occupants is illegal.
I guess it isn't a big deal if the bangers ventilate each other with .380 Hi-Points.

BUT, .380 is greater than .30 caliber so it would be considered "LARGE CALIBER" as well and therefore too dangerous for law-abiding citizens to own.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

All large city police departmenst do the same thing. They KNOW where the drug dealers are, and the gangs hang-out but do nothing about it, until some ultra-violent episode makes them conduct some sort of PR stunt to close some of these places down. Otherwise they seem to ignore them.

Why? Payoffs anyone? Or just lazy?

Ever hear of the word RETRIBUTION? Do you really believe the Police, or their families are immune? Are there lazy officers, and officers on the pad, sure. But I think the fear of Retribution by the thugs in the neighborhood is a highly contributing factor for both Police and civilians alike.

 

[TheEgg]

"Ever hear of the word RETRIBUTION?"

I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the criminal underclass, but I would think only the dumbest crooks would try this. Think of what happens when a police officer is killed -- lot of BG's in jail, dead, out of business, etc. until the perp is caught or the cops work off their mad. So it would not be good business to do this. Sure, we have a particularly dumb brand of criminal these days, but still --

But I could be wrong.

 

[Silent-Snail]

I thought the RPK was 7.62x54R.

 

[jobu07]

I thought the RPK was 7.62x54R.

I think the gentleman who mentioned the RPK being chambered in x54r was confusing the RPK for the russian PK general purpose machine gun. The PK is a belt fed x54r while the RPK is a mag fed x39. Also, just to help confuse you, the RPD is a belt fed x39. And I can attest that the RPK and RPD are both a hoot to shoot.

Now where can I get ahold of a semi PK...

 

[Langenator]

So .30 caliber is now a 'large caliber weapon' that's ultra dangerous.

That means the 3 most popular hunting calibers (.30-06, .308, .30-30) are ultra dangerous.

Of course, .38, 9mm, .40, 45...are all even larger.

Just plain stupid...or crazy like a fox?

 

[Borachon]

City folk.

Last weekend, we had a shooting incident in a nearby town. After it was over, one guy was dead, 6 or 7 "civilians" had been shot...or their vehicles...and 3 cops were in the hospital with various wounds to face, torso, and thigh. Luckily, none of the wounded people are expected to perish. Probably because the shooter was using a .22 caliber rifle! Anything larger and he would probably have killed several people.

This incident does illustrate one point....(in my opinion). Rural people shoot better than city people. One guy with a .22 rifle puts 8-12 people in the hospital in rural Mississippi. In Chicago, a whole group of guys armed with AK47's (or RPKs or RPDs or whatever) only put one person in the hospital. Your gangs wouldn't last ten minutes in the South.

Why are your local liberals even scared about gun violence? With this sort of hit ratio, your gangs look pretty sorry.

 

[Joejojoba111]

The more I think the more obvious I think it is that they are laying the groundwork for banning 'large calibers'.

Does that mean .50's? Or does it mean all .30's?

But it is completely strange to see the term 'large caliber' used so often in one article. It has to be the new word list the editor handed out.

Think about it, usually this article would take about 'high powered' or 'assault' rifles. 'Large calibre' is a new one. And they didn't say it once, they repeated it and repeated it. If this is the new battlefield, expect more press rooms to receive the word-list and start promoting the terrors of 'large caliber' rifles.

 

[ktd]

PK and RPK

yeah, seems like a lot of mils confuse the two, the RPK is basically a SAW, an AK with a stronger (and longer receiver) taking the AK 7.62x39 round. The PK (or PKM) is a different design and takes the 7.62x54 round. It is more like our M60 (and actually more like the M240). Stupid thing is heavy, has no handguard, feeds from the right, and uses non-dis links, but the thing is fast, reliable, and powerful. Then there is the RPD, a SAW that takes 7.62x39 in a belt.

 

[benEzra]

The PK is a belt fed x54r while the RPK is a mag fed x39.

If you ever see a 40-round AK magazine or a 75-round drum, those are actually milsurp RPK mags (which is why they are so much rarer and more expensive than 30-round mags).

Oh, 50-round AK mags aren't milsurp, they are U.S. production and are generally considered worthless junk.

 

[Texas9]

Ooohh.. scary

You know, I'm just as torqued about drive-by's and the like as the next guy. That being said... the media friggin sucks (not that anyone here needs a reminder). Let's analyze, shall we???

.30 caliber is large. Oooh. So what's a .40??

Similar to an AK47. Well. Wouldn't anything .30 cal be SIMILAR to an AK?

And the thing about the "fully automatic" was just too far.

For crying out Pete's sake. These lefty's keep getting their ways and anything bigger than .22 shorty will be "large caliber," just as anything more than 10 rounds was "high capacity" (and a chill filled the room )

 

[rmgill]

The soviet round that's larger than 7.62x51 is the 7.62x54R. It's a big rimmed case. Similar to the .303 brit or rimless 30.06 in power. SVDs fire them if I'm not mistaken.