IL now has 'written' CCL applications ready - but what a screwed up way to do it

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 30, 2014


ILLINOIS STATE POLICE ANNOUNCE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION OPTION TO APPLY FOR CONCEALED CARRY LICENSES

Officials to Accommodate Applicants Without Computer Access

SPRINGFIELD ; Illinois State Police (ISP) officials announced today that an alternative application option to apply for a Concealed Carry License (CCL) is now available for those individuals without computer access.

Applicants can contact the ISP Firearms Services (FSB) Customer Service Center phone line at (217) 782-7980 and provide a FSB call taker with the same CCL application information that is currently required through the CCL on-line process.

The FSB call taker will need the applicant's full name, any previous names, date of birth, driver;s license number or state ID, Firearms Owner Identification (FOID) card number, current mailing address, ten years of previous address history, fingerprint Transaction Control Number (TCN) (which is optional), training instructor's name and the Concealed Carry Trainer;s Identification (CCTID) number. Applicants should have this information readily available prior to calling the FSB Customer Service Center phone line.

Upon validation of the FOID number and driver;s license or identification card, payment in the form of credit card or electronic check will be needed and securely processed by the FSB call taker.

Once the CCL telephone application interview is completed and payment confirmed, the applicant will receive the application in the mail. Upon receipt, the applicant must review the application for accuracy, initial all required areas, answer the background check questions, and sign and date the application. The applicant must also attach a 2 inch by 2 inch headshot photo (shoulder to head) taken within the last 30 days and provide all required training certificates.

The completed application, photo, and training certificates must be returned to the ISP through the U.S. Postal Service before the application will be processed and a license issued.

The Illinois State Police is providing this alternative method to ensure that the public has options to participate in the CCL application process and to ensure turnaround times are met in accordance with the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.

To date, more than 78,000 CCL applications have been submitted and more than 60,000 are active across Illinois.

ISP continues to encourage the public to use the on-line CCL application option when possible for the most efficient processing method.

Completed CCL applications, photo and required training certificates can be mailed to:


The Illinois State Police
Attn: CCL Application
801 South 7th Street, 400M
Springfield, Il 62704
 
Only Illinois could dream up a system this absurd. They're going to sell you a license but YOU have to supply the photo? I'm so glad I moved out of that State.
 
Drail said:
Only Illinois could dream up a system this absurd. They're going to sell you a license but YOU have to supply the photo? I'm so glad I moved out of that State.
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If you have an IL state ID that will be the one on your permission slip - they use the one you send as a sort of red - neck photo id - that is somebody compares the two and decides if it is the same person
 
Not only do you have to supply the photo, they won't even use the photo you supplied. They'll use your driver's license photo, just like with the FOID card.
 
I guess we should be thankful - but the system seems WAY more harder than it needs to be - and what about folks who oh I don't know WORK during the hours the FSB is open ...
 
Drail, is not that how passports work (you supply the photo)? It is how my non-resident VA permit worked, does not seem all that strange except the "they don't use the picture" part.

To the OP, do they also provide the blank form and let you fill it out yourself? That would seem better and faster than the phone process.
 
MErl said:
Drail, is not that how passports work (you supply the photo)? It is how my non-resident VA permit worked, does not seem all that strange except the "they don't use the picture" part.

To the OP, do they also provide the blank form and let you fill it out yourself? That would seem better and faster than the phone process.
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Nope - you have to call and get through to a person at FSB

Your proposal makes so much more sense ... if only there were other states IL could model our program after
 
I don't think they ever planned on any kind of manual process at all, and this is about all they can come up with that fits in with the system they created.

My guess is they are having the FSB call taker enter the data the same way that it would be entered via the web site and just sending out the partially completed data to be filled in as some kind of paper form. When it gets back, the FSB will just enter the data supplied via the paper form.

It is probably the simplest solution they could come up with to deal with the unexpected issue of paper forms. I would never have guessed this would be an issue at all in 2014, but apparently some people do not want to do this over the Internet (or for some reason are unable to).

I wonder if those not using the Internet to apply will be willing or able to do the electronic check or credit card.
 
Actually it does make sense. Sounds like if you don't have internet access, the call taker is just filling in the online form for you. As for you having to send a photo, but it's not the one they use, is seems they are just matching it up to the one on file to ensure you are who you said you were to the call taker. Far more ingenious than I ever would have expected from IL.
 
Hmm. It just doesn't seem that bad to me. Sure, small things could be improved, but what they've done is inexpensively made a way for people without computers to apply by having one of their own people (with a computer) doing the part in which a computer is needed. What's the issue that everyone is complaining about?
 
bottom shelf said:
Hmm. It just doesn't seem that bad to me. Sure, small things could be improved, but what they've done is inexpensively made a way for people without computers to apply by having one of their own people (with a computer) doing the part in which a computer is needed. What's the issue that everyone is complaining about?
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obviously you've never tried to contact FSB by phone

why not make actual paper forms available - instructors will gladly provide to students like the rest of the 50 states do
 
obviously you've never tried to contact FSB by phone

why not make actual paper forms available - instructors will gladly provide to students like the rest of the 50 states do
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Not here in Mi. Here you have to go in person to the police department to get the application packet.
 
UpperAtmosphere said:
Not only do you have to supply the photo, they won't even use the photo you supplied. They'll use your driver's license photo, just like with the FOID card.
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Not in my case. I supplied a digital picture of the size and dimensions they required. They used THAT picture on my CCW permit, not the pic from my DL or from my FOID card.
 
Cooldill said:
"Illinois" and "screwed up"...

Never thought I'd here those three words in the same sentence.

;)
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LOL! I live in Illinois, but 95%+ of my coworkers are out of state. Many of them are in Indiana. They often refer to people from Illinois as "Illi'noids" because we always seem to be so annoyed at Chicago and Springfield. They refer to the people from Chicago as "Illin'ards" however. lol
 
In Mi I had to supply a passport type photo or else they would charge me more for my CPL because they would have to take a picture. Then they didn't use the provided picture and took a picture anyway.
 
Hurryin' Hoosier said:
They don't want your litter registration number and a copy of your shot record? :rolleyes:
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Shot record? They have that now. Part of the IL CCW application process is that you have to waive your privacy rights.

430 ILCS 66/30
Sec. 30. Contents of license application.
(snip)
(b) The application shall contain the following:
(1) the applicant's name, current address, date and

year of birth, place of birth, height, weight, hair color, eye color, maiden name or any other name the applicant has used or identified with, and any address where the applicant resided for more than 30 days within the 10 years preceding the date of the license application;
(2) the applicant's valid driver's license number

or valid state identification card number;
(3) a waiver of the applicant's privacy and

confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal and state laws, including those limiting access to juvenile court, criminal justice, psychological, or psychiatric records or records relating to any institutionalization of the applicant, and an affirmative request that a person having custody of any of these records provide it or information concerning it to the Department;


https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/Public/AboutTheAct.aspx
 
"a waiver of the applicant's privacy and confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal and state laws"
Is that even legal? That statement sounds like something an ACLU lawyer would salivate over (among other things)

"Why not make actual paper forms available?"
I thought Illinois historically has a thing about providing forms to gun owners? :confused:

TCB
 
I think it's all a scam. Some of Dear Leader's cronies from Chicago have set up this phony sight so that they can get - and sell - all of your personal information. Tell them to pound sand and move to Indiana or Wisconsin. :cool:
 
Not in my case. I supplied a digital picture of the size and dimensions they required. They used THAT picture on my CCW permit, not the pic from my DL or from my FOID card.
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Really? Mine is a crappier version of the photo on my driver's license. It's the same photo, but less crisp and the coloring is off.
 
to me it sounds of complication with an intention to harass. make it difficult so it deters
the applicant.
 
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