I'll NEVER buy another SIG

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Man, of all the reasons not to buy a SIG, you picked that one??? :eek:

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Hey, if they tell you it needs fitting, as a great many firearm parts do, then it needs fitting.

It IS what it IS. It ISN'T something else. Accept what it IS, or don't.

If you want it to be your way, go make your own pistol! :)
 
Is this a "mine is bigger than yours", or "I can pee farther" Sig vs. Glock?

Give the guy a break. He's upset he spent money and it didn't work out to his satisfaction. If he didn't notice it stated a barrel "may" require fitting, there's no need to pile on once it's been pointed out.
 
Fishbed77 said:
Yep - crude pistols with sloppy tolerances won't need much fitting.

More accurate higher-quality, precision-made firearms likely will.
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Personally, I see it as just the opposite. If a gun is made to close tolerances, all subsequent parts should fit with no stock removal.

I would point to Japanese motorcycles that spin to 15,000 RPMs +, but all parts are drop in.
 
Well, now that the OP has had his ears pinned back by several posters he has learned a lesson.

People train to be machinists. People train to be auto technicians. People train to be gunsmiths.

Perhaps, if you aren't trained, the best reaction to solve the issue is to call the seller. I can't imagine you taking a file to some component on your car or truck that didn't fit direct from the parts desk. You would call the seller and complain and have them fix it on their dime.

I've got 5 Sigs, and never a complaint.
 
Well, no sense in me piling on as well I guess. I love Sig though. I shoot them far more accurately than any other pistol. They feel good, the triggers are great. Leave em on the shelf, I'll buy em.
 
LoL! Love the reaction of the SIG Fans. So before anyone jumps up and down let me just say I own 4 SIGs and have owned 4 or 5 more. I bought a P239 from a guy who just hated it. Basically brand new in the box with less than 50 rds thru it. It came with 2 barrels, a 40 and a 357. $400, I couldn't pass it up. Inaccurate, failures to feed, failure to eject, just everything that could be wrong was. I gave it to one of my guys to get it fixed. Both barrels that came with the gun, in the original case, mind you needed to be fitted!!! So how did it leave the factory like that? I'll never be able to figure out SIG QC This was about 2008 time frame. It ran eventually after quite a bit of fitting. I sold it as soon as I could. It seems that things sort of went to hell in a handbasket during that time frame. Haven't bought one since. The older West German stamped guns just run and run.
 
Is that 220 for sale now?
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Sorry, OP. I have always had good luck with SIGs... course I never tried to modify it. The guy with the pic shooting the 229 at 21 feet knows what i am talking about.
 
In defense of the OP, I do see his point. A high quality CNC machined part mating to a high quality CNC machined part. There should be minimal fitting. I can see how his barrel was beyond minimal fitting and he was upset. Upset at the situation. Perhaps he wrongly took it out on sig, but I can see his frustration. But I stand by my earlier post.
 
Yep - crude pistols with sloppy tolerances won't need much fitting.
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One of the U.S. Army tests during the 1985 the pistol trials was to disassemble X amount of pistols and reassemble the pistols using the same unmatched mixed parts without any issues. Beretta, Sig, and Ruger all passed this test.
 
I have a sig 226 .40 and bought a 357Sig barrel for it. It dropped right in and shoots better than the .40 barrel. Do you think part of your problem is the new barrel is threaded.
 
First, I cannot fathom why a barrel would need fitting. One would think that XYZ gun is made with the same tooling and specs as all XYZ guns, and that parts such as the barrels coming off the line for XYZ gun could drop into any XYZ gun. This is the first I've ever heard otherwise...

My Glock barrels seem to be totally interchangeable, which is what I would expect.

Anyway, as for giving up on a 20 year relationship over a minor issue, I think that's an overreaction. I would have given Sig customer service a chance to fix it.
 
If I were you, I would be overjoyed that barrel has to be fitted. The fit from the factory on the stock barrels I've seen were terrible compared to what a competent gunsmith could do. I fitted Barsto barrels in both of mine; a 220 and a 226.
 
Manufacturers of gun parts have two choices: make parts that are designed to drop in or parts that are designed to be fit. Each have their benefits. A drop-in part is obviously more convenient for the customer. A to-be-fit part will generally be made a touch oversize on purpose. Why? Well, it might be to accommodate tolerances/variances in the existing guns. Or it might be to enable a closer fit than a drop-in part would permit. A drop-in part has to be sized to fit the smallest in-spec gun. For the largest in-spec gun, that's always going to be a little smaller than would fit/work. By starting on the larger end, a gunsmith can remove just enough material to get it to fit and work.

Does this extreme tightness of fit matter? On most gun parts, not much or nor at all. But if one were going to pick only ONE part on which a tight fit is beneficial, it would be a barrel, because slide-to-barrel fit is a substantial contributor to accuracy.

Could Sig make a true drop-in barrel? I'm sure they could. But would it have the same upper-end accuracy potential of a must-fit barrel? No, at least not for any guns that are not at the very low end of the size tolerance range. Sig appears to have disclosed in advance which approach they were taking. That approach seems especially rational for a threaded, extended barrel. Almost by definition, that's going onto a gun that will have a lot of money in it. Or on it.
 
Could Sig make a true drop-in barrel? I'm sure they could. But would it have the same upper-end accuracy potential of a must-fit barrel? No, at least not for any guns that are not at the very low end of the size tolerance range.
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Ahem,

SIG's are no more accurate than HK's. My HK threaded barrel dropped right in without an issue. However, Sig did state some fitting may be required, so while SIG should have a drop in barrel by now it really shouldn't have been a surprise to the OP. If their tolerances were truly that well defined, barrels would be easily interchangeable as all the parts would be the same size. Tell's you more about their sample to sample manufacturing variability than anything else.....(Not good)
 
You have learned well. Go with glock.
Yep - crude pistols with sloppy tolerances won't need much fitting.

More accurate higher-quality, precision-made firearms likely will.
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I believe that Sig is doing this on propose for the same reason CZ and others do it, Exceptional accuracy that beats your standard drop in barrels like a glock.

Personally I would like all my parts to be hand fitted and have done a lot of silver soldering and fitting myself but if you rather have a ak of handguns, whatever floats your boat.
 
No, offense, but 21 feet isn't squat for an accuracy test, and I wouldn't buy a Sig with your money. Pop's talks about having to qualify at 50 yards with a 1911 A1.

He didnt tell you how big the target was though did he?? Check out the size of the old military qual targets before belitling another mans shooting skills. I also qualified Expert with a 1911 in the service as a MP and now carry a SIG 229 as a duty pistol. I gaurentee you the SIG is way more reliable, accurate, lighter and user friendly than those old war horses. My issued 1945 Remington Rand bit the hand that fed it and I usually left the range with blood dripping from the web of my hand. The SIG has never come close to biting me.
 
I see the SIG fanboy's came out in droves at the OP.

I will side with the OP on his issue. In this day and age of cnc machining an all that goes with it. There should not be any reason why a new factory barrel should not drop into a factory fresh gun.

And by the way real men don't need a thumb safety on a pistol. So those that shoot and carry Glocks, M&P's and XD's are just as safe without extra crap added onto a gun.
 
Ahem,

SIG's are no more accurate than HK's. My HK threaded barrel dropped right in without an issue. However, Sig did state some fitting may be required, so while SIG should have a drop in barrel by now it really shouldn't have been a surprise to the OP. If their tolerances were truly that well defined, barrels would be easily interchangeable as all the parts would be the same size. Tell's you more about their sample to sample manufacturing variability than anything else.....(Not good

Ahem,
I went through SIG's armorer course. The final exam was to grab all of the necessary parts out of a box that contained 35 pistols worth of parts and assemble it into a working pistol. Guess what they all worked. When you get a specialized part like a extended barrel it can change the whole dynamic of operation, things like feed angle, timing etc. A little fitting to assure proper, safe functioning shouldnt bother you. H&K's are fine pistols no doubt and the supressor function was probably planned into the design but they are way more expensive than they should be for the materials used. Plus you can shoot cast bullets in the SIG try that long term in your H&K and see what the end result is.
 
And by the way real men don't need a thumb safety on a pistol. So those that shoot and carry Glocks, M&P's and XD's are just as safe without extra crap added onto a gun.
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Ever here of Glock leg Jr? Something that happens enough to get named means you real men are just as accident prone as everyone else. And SIG's dont have a safety per-se it's a hammer drop. And on DAK guns it's nothing at all.
 
21 feet isn't an accuracy test. Unless you just can't shoot the pistol well. I have seen some people at an indoor range who could hit a silhouette of a person target at 21 feet, but it isn't the guns fault.

Now about the size of the targets. I know Pop's and myself included can hit grapefruits, coke cans and other objects in similar size consistently with his 1911 A1 and 230 grain ball at 50 yards.
Nevertheless I have never had to "qualify" with a 1911 for any service branch, but I bet if you couldn't hit a pop-up life size target you wouldn't qualify.
One thing about my family is we pretty much can do what we say with rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Some do arrows pretty good also.

I wasn't necessarliy speaking of the OP's accuracy or ability. I was speaking of Sig's. They just don't shoot good for me. Sorry if I bruised your Sig ego, but I think the guns are like holding a brick, and about as easy to aim as well. But hey. That is my opinion, and everyone has one of a few other things in common, as the saying goes.
 
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