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Illinois folks, a ? about the FOID card

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Onmilo, Oct 17, 2008.

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  1. Onmilo

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    Not to get too political here,,,,,,,
    My card expires in June 09
    Should a certain democrat individual become elected supreme commander,,,,,,,
    You think the powers that be may start delaying the issuance or renewal cards again, opening up the door to the possibility of law enforcement going knock-knock and seizing your stuff because you don't have a valid card in your possession?????

    I am covered because my wonderful wife has a card that doesn't expire for a few years yet, however,,,,,, the question looms on my mind,,,,,,,,

    Before yet another thread referring to Mr. Wonderful gets locked,
    Go here for some enlightening info on the god-like one.
    http://www.isra.org
     
  2. NukemJim

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    1st, I do not think such an event has any significant (<1%) chance of occuring.

    IANAL, but I am not sure you would be covered unless you had the bill of sales from you to her with all the particulars that Illinois requires.

    As always I can be wrong

    NukemJim
     
  3. damien

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    I would not worry. First of all, Obama will be the President and have nothing to do with Illinois policy. If Blago is not screwing with the FOID system, no one will. I don't think the Illinois Supreme Court would allow it in any case.

    P.S. If you care, why not claim the card lost or destroyed and get a new one now? I am not sure that it will update the expiry date, but it might, and will only cost $5 to find out.
     
  4. Jeff White

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    I think that's pretty improbable. The state is broke. They won't have the money to pay for a large operation like that. Bigger issues then gun control are going to figure into this. Blagojevich will most likely be indicted by then anyway.

    Jeff
     
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    It's $10 now for 10 years.
     
  6. Fleetwood_Captain

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    The Illinois FOID card is nothing but a crock.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that it's illegal for states to charge a tax to vote. How can it be legal to charge a tax to own a gun?

    I can understand the legality of a sales tax. But taxing someone for the ability to exercise their constitutional rights???

    Not to mention that the system itself is a joke. The state could save a bunch of time and money by just integrating the FOID into the driver's liscense. But of course, it would eliminate a cushy government jobs for someone and people wouldn't have to wait THREE MONTHS to get their cards in the mail.

    Possibly the worst thing of all is that the FOID card isn't even considered a valid form of ID. The Illinois DMV doesn't even recognize the FOID card. They classify it as a hunting liscense.

    It's one of the most useless pieces of legislature out there. Especially since Illinois still requires residents with FOID cards to be processed through NICS when buying a gun.
     
  7. isp2605

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    Surprise! There's already an excise tax on guns and ammo. Your pay it everytime you buy either.

    Oh yeah, that will work. Guess you don't know what kind of problems there are with motor-voter registration.

    Not only hyperbole but not at all correct. As of the 1st of Sept there was a 33 day processing time. The processing time is shorter after hunting season.

    More incorrect info. The FOID card certainly is considered a valid form of ID. It's a picture ID issued by the government. Whoever told you otherwise is full of it. And SOS (it's not DMV) does NOT consider it a hunting license. More crockery.

    If you're going to complain about something then at least stick to the facts. Interjecting erroneous information as fact just shoots down your argument and renders you completely lacking in credibility.

    To answer the OP's original concerns:
    If Obama is elected President he won't have anything to do with IL FOID anymore than he does now as senator.
    FOID card issuance have never been intentionally delayed regardless of what some in the the ISRA want you to believe. Back when cards were taking several weeks was due to 3 things. 1) At the time was a huge influx of renewals. It was getting towards hunting season and many hunters realized that sometime during the year their cards had expired. So in addition to all the people whose cards normally expired from Sept thru Nov there was the big influx of expired renewals from thru out rest of the year. 2) That was during the pre-computer days when cards had the picture you submitted afixed to the card. That was very labor intensive. 3) When the backlog occurred was the same time the governor eliminated all contractual positions from every agency in state government. Most of the FOID employees were not ISP employees but were contractual. When all contractual people were removed the ISP got a few month extension to keep the contractuals at FOID but eventually those had to be let go too. That not only affected FOID but it impacted every agency in the state under the executive branch. Thousands of people were let go and there was no budget nor authorization to hire full time regular state employees to fill those jobs.
    Your concern about going door to door doing searches. Ask any LEO on this board what it takes to get a search warrant. I'm not talking about the probable cause portion, just the time involved. Then multiply that amount of time by 1.3 million which is about the number of FOID cards in IL. At most a team could do no more than 1 search warrant a day and that is unrealistic given the amount of time involved preparing the affidavit for the search warrant, getting a state's attorney to approve the sw, getting a judge to approve the sw, serving the sw, inventorying everything seized, placing everything seized into evidence, then doing the return to the judge. That's a pretty big order for any and all agencies in IL. And no agency is going to do it simply because if a person shows they had a valid FOID, had submitted a renewal in a timely manner, and are awaiting their renewed card, very few if any judges would issue a sw to begin with. It's just no realistic even if there weren't any 4th Amendment issues.
    Your point about your wife still having a FOID that is valid a few yrs longer than yours is a valid argument and another reason why judges would very reluctantly want to get involved issuing sw for residences.
    There are a lot more important things to worry about than what your concerns.
     
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    Previous delays were more about general incompetence in state government than any deliberate malice, although I think there was a certain amount of malice associated with it.

    I would not bet on that one.

    He is close to being indicted. I think if he was not up to his neck in alligators already, he might try and screw with us.

    It would take a long time to get a case through the courts.

    Or just renew early. I don't know that there is any time limit on when you can renew. Its $10 for ten years now.

    It truly serves no useful purpose.

    There are sales taxes and excise taxes on new guns and ammo already. I have no idea what threshold of inconvenience the courts will eventually put on the infringing of the RTKBA but I suspect $1 a year is not going to be viewed as especially onerous.

    I'd just as soon have a second ID card as have another sticker on my DL.

    The three months thing is gone, and probably won't come back any time real soon. The pain the duck hunters put the legislature in last time just about guarantees that.

    I have heard that as well. Could be a misinformed clerk at the SOS. You have to get a DL or state ID now first before you can even get a FOID anyway.

    I doubt anyone really disagrees with that. before the instant check you might have been able to justify it but not anymore. Sometimes inertia sets in and it is hard to kill things off that no longer serve any purpose at all.
     
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    If it is expired now or not. Renew it TODAY.

    I let mine lapse and had to wait almost 30 days. Did someone come to the door? NO and I was not worried.

    Did I illegally transport my firearms to the range to practice with an expired FOID card? Take a guess. ;) ;) ;)


    I don't understand why we can't just have our number tattooed on our forearms to keep from worries about losing a card.
     
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  10. Onmilo

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    If I file as a renewal, the state will not issue the new card until my old one expires.
    If I file an application as a lost card application, the state will reissue me a card with the same june 09 expiration.
    I already checked with the Springfield office of the state police on this and that is what prompted my concern.

    I don't have any real issues with the FOID card, always had one while living in the state.
    It IS a valid form of identification, same as any other picture I.D.
    I personally consider it no more than a 'drivers license' for my firearms and I don't even have to test every renewal like I do for the Haz-Mat endorsement on my CDL.

    As far as Mr. Wonderful having nothing more to do with Illinois politics, don't believe that for a minute.
    People will be looking for payback for helping him to get elected and you can bet the repercussions will be most severe in the god-like ones home state,,,,,,,
     
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    If they were to integrate it into the drivers license, then we would have the chance to be harrassed every time we get pulled over by the Il State Gestapo
     
  12. HC_Jack

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    On the ID issue, I've had my FOID accepted as ID at the airport, both within Illinois and out of state, I've used it to get into bars and I've seen someone use it as ID at the polls.

    I'm glad to hear they're down to a 30-ish day backlog. They took every bit of three months to process my renewal, which happened to come up during the aforementioned contractual employee crunch. I think that labeling that claim hyperbole is a bit harsh.
     
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    The ONLY time it has taken 3 months was when the application required a more detailed exam of the applicant. That is usually the case when the CQH comes up with a hit on the applicant's name which required checking further with the courts to determine if the applicant was the same person as the one listed on the CQH. Getting records from the various counties can be anything from immediate response to requiring numerous contacts.
    ilbob has a history of spouting hyperbole, making statements without any basis, or taking isolated incidents as if they are the norm. Hyperbole is exactly what it is.
    As far as the "contractual employee crunch" it's still there. Contractual employees are not permitted by this governor. These were the people who were doing the nuts and bolts day to day paperwork in all state agencies not just the ISP or FOID. The work still has to be done but there are a whole lot fewer people to do it. It's now being done by the state employees who remain who also have their normal duties to attend to. That's why bills aren't getting paid, why you see highways not being maintained, roadsides not being mowed, state parks not being maintained and being closed. Contractual employees were a cheap source of labor for the state.
     
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    When I go to IL and shop at Gander Mtn or other sporting good stores I cant, as an out of stater, buy shotgun shells to hunt with. Glad my B-I-L who has a foid needs extra shells each year.

    So it seems to me no one from out of state can buy a gun or ammunition in IL. Is that correct?
     
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    When I go to IL and shop at Gander Mtn or other sporting good stores I cant, as an out of stater, buy shotgun shells to hunt with. Glad my B-I-L who has a foid needs extra shells each year.

    So it seems to me no one from out of state can buy a gun or ammunition in IL. Is that correct?
     
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    Out of staters can buy ammunition here,
    18 years old for rifle and 21 for handgun ammunition.
    You must present a valid identification from your home state and an Illinois issued non-resident hunting license would be a bonus.
    Residents of contiguous states can buy long guns in Illinois, just no handguns, same as everywhere else.
     
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    Illinois gun laws are the lousiest in the nation. We in Illinois can thank guys like Obama, Daley, Pelosi and so on for their socialist mandates about owning guns. If Obama gets elected, he's going to do all sorts of crazy things to further American/Democrat/Chicago socialism. I can see him banning guns from movies and television. I can see him ENTIRELY banning guns with the help of his friends in legislative bodies across our nation. If he can swing it, he'll try to change the national anthem to some anemic song about love, peace and happiness. Illinois sucks as a place to live because of guys like Obama, Daley and such. Given enough time, those kooks will also ruin the nation. If you have a choice, avoid Illinois at all costs!!!
     
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    How can it be legal to charge a tax to own a gun?

    are you kidding????:confused: big brother does what he wants:cuss:

    "government by the people, for the people, of the people" is ancient history and we let it happen folks.:mad:

    there is a ban on guns in chicago, and there is also a shooting victim every day:confused: explain that:neener:

    one day, i hope that it is very soon, the common folks will realize that we still have the power to take the whip from big brother's hand:D
     
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    I can understand the legality of a sales tax

    tax on food?? medicine?? :banghead: why not air. sound waves.:uhoh:

    big brother doesn't have enough yet to fill all its pockets??
     
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    ISP2605, as far as the FOID not being considered ID when I went to open a new bank account with my partner (She refuses to get married again) I was informed by the Bank of America that FOID was not considered an ID that I could use to open an account with.

    I do not remember the exact phrase but it seems that in order to open a bank account there are 2 classes of ID and that the FOID was NOT allowed to be used for such a purpose. The bank employee was very nice and stated that it had something to do with the fact the the FOID was sent to your address, not picked up in person.:confused:

    Prior to that I have used my whenever I was asked to provide ID and it was always accepted even at the airport (Pre 9-11, I do not want to deal with TSA any more than I have to, I abhor incompetency even if they are polite :barf: ).

    It is possible that the bank employee was wrong, but at the time (2-3 years ago) it sounded like he knew what he was talking about. I do not know.

    Anyone have any further data on this ?

    NukemJim
    PS My only complaint about the FOID, and it is a extremely minor one, is that the ISP stopped issuing them to children under 10 (which as I understand it is technicly illegal) and yet cashed the check sent in with the FOID application. NJ
     
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    BoA can set whatever they want to accept as ID. Just because BoA doesn't accept it doesn't mean a FOID is not a valid ID. BoA is not a government agency so whatever they want to accept is their own rules.

    I guess they don't accept passports either. Tell them you won't give them your Social Security Number because, according to their rules, your SSN isn't valid either.
     
  22. Paints-n-cows

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    The ONLY time it has taken 3 months was when the application required a more detailed exam of the applicant. That is usually the case when the CQH comes up with a hit on the applicant's name which required checking further with the courts to determine if the applicant was the same person as the one listed on the CQH. Getting records from the various counties can be anything from immediate response to requiring numerous contacts.
    ilbob has a history of spouting hyperbole, making statements without any basis, or taking isolated incidents as if they are the norm. Hyperbole is exactly what it is.


    ISP2605

    Timeline on getting my FOID. Mine expired on 8/31/06.

    Sent in form on 8/17
    Check cashed on 8/26
    Background check performed and cleared on 9/23
    Sent to third-party vender for printing 10/21
    Received in mail: Monday before the first firearm season

    This information came directly from the lady that I called at the FOID dept. She gave me the entire timeline. It took 87 days for me to receive my FOID card from the time that I mailed the application until I received it. Interestingly enough, I received it the Monday after I called and bitched.

    Oh, and btw, doesn't the law have some stipulation that it is supposed to be completed within 30 days. Wellllllllll, we all know how that goes in Illinois.
     
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    As I stated previously - if your name soundexes close to someone else's who is prohibited from possessing a firearm then it takes longer to get the info approved for continuation of the process.
    You also showed exactly what else I mentioned - the time you sent your app in was when? Beginning of the hunting season which I stated is the worst time of the year to get a FOID because a lot of hunters wait until the beginning of hunting season to check their FOID card and then find their card is expired. You appear to be one of those. Renewal notices are sent 60 days out so with your card expiring 08/31/06 your renewal would have gone out 06/30/06. But you waited until 2 weeks prior to your card expiring until you decided to send it in which also was the start of dove and squirrel season. Had you sent your app in when you got the renewal notice then your card would have been completed before the fall rush.
    You also might want to check your dates.
    08/26 is a Saturday. No one in FOID would have been cashing your check on a Saturday.
    09/23 is a Saturday. No one in FOID would have been completing any background check on a Saturday.
    10/21 is a Saturday. No one in FOID would have been mailing anything to anyone on Saturday.
     
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    my experience was similar to paint's but I sent in the app 5 weeks before expiration in march, and recieved the FOID card about 9 weeks later after several calls. on the first call right before expiration, I was told that it would probably come thru "any day now". on another call after it had expired, the person in springfield admitted that "technically" I could be committing a felony if I possess guns or ammunition but he advised I should just keep my guns "locked up and don't take them out and shoot them or use them for anything" and that they weren't actually going out after people with expired cards. I decided that was unacceptable, told him so, and started calling my state rep and state senator, +idiot governors office. Then the office in Springfield suddenly and miraculously realized they had just processed it!
     
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    Those were the dates that the lady gave me. Kind of odd that they all fall on a Saturday though.

    It is interesting that I know of one individual that got his within 3 days of sending in his application.

    BTW, I never received any renewal notice...and yes it was to the same address as before.

    And if I recall correctly, doesn't the law say that it has to be processed in 30 days. Guess when they can't do their job within the law, nothing happens...but we (the common people) certainly had never violate any law with regards to the FOID.

    Kingcreek's experience sounds a lot like mine...bitch a little and magically, it appears.
     
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