(IN) Do you have a permit for that firearm?

[Drizzt]

Do you have a permit for that firearm?

Posted: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:46 AM CDT

Approximately 380 Jasper County residents have been issued gun permits so far this year and about 10-12 are added each week according to the Jasper County Sheriff’s Department.

“It is hard to refuse a gun permit,” said Cindy Shepherd of Records at the Jasper County Sheriff’s Department. “A person must have a felony on record to be turned down. The State rejects more permits than we do. We are just the middle man.”

According to Sheriff Orville Perry the State Police have done a good job about getting permits back quickly. A system is in place so that it is not a problem with a transfer of information from the County to the State level.

Basis for turning down a permit at County level:
Felony count on record with one year sentence or longer
History of mental illness
History of alcohol abuse
History of battery charges

“If you are going to carry a gun make it legal,” said Jasper County Sheriff Orville Perry. “It is required by law.”

There is a problem, in general, with people carrying guns with out a permit, but it is not a major problem in Jasper County according to Perry. The Sheriff said that this is hard to substantiate due to no gun registration laws being in place for Indiana.

“There are also people that qualify that shouldn’t have a firearm,” said Perry.

If it was up to the Sheriff there would be a lot of people that wouldn’t have one in Jasper County, but according to him he must follow the State’s regulations.

Need to Know

You don’t need a personal protection permit if they are only using their firearm for hunting. You only need the hunting license.

Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska and Wisconsin do not honor Indiana’s gun permits, but most of the other states are involved with a state to state pact and do honor Indian gun permits.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

History of Amendment II
The philosophy behind the Second Amendment began several hundred years before its creation, originating in England. The concept of citizens or “subjects” bearing arms dates back to at least the 12th century when King Henry II obligated all freemen to possess certain arms for defense. In the following century, King Henry III required every subject between the ages of fifteen and fifty to own a weapon other than a knife. This was of such importance that Crown officials gave periodic inspections to guarantee a properly armed townspeople.

http://www.rensselaerrepublican.com/articles/2007/10/15/news/new03.txt

 

[damien]

Well, at least they got the purpose of Amendment II correct for a change.

 

[Richbaker]

Since when is Alcohol Abuse against the law??

 

[JeremySmith]

What's not to love about lifetime ccw? Mitch may be screwing everything else up - but he got one thing right!

 

[woodybrighton]

but a habitual drunk and a firearm do not make a good combination

 

[Bruce333]

If it was up to the Sheriff there would be a lot of people that wouldn’t have one in Jasper County, but according to him he must follow the State’s regulations.

I'd like to know who he considers unfit and why? Hopefully he isn't doing anything to obstruct or delay the permit process.

 

[El Tejon]

I like how Sheriffs always say this is "required by law" and then give us their subjective feelings on who should and should not be carrying guns. Oh, BTW, we had a thread on THR on how in one county in Indiana the Sheriff was making up the law as he went along and High and Mighty Roaders wondered why some of us would object to that. *Brrrrring* It's the clue phone--society should be based on the rule of law, not the rule of man.

Yeah, Sheriff, tell us all about Indiana's License to Carry law and how it was passed to keep the Blacks and the Catholics in their place. Please tell me all about the law so I can have even more respect for this infringement of my rights.

Bah, Mitch is screwing nothing up. The hilljacks and banjos will learn to adjust their clocks or just put electrical tape over the display and those freeloaders on the tollway have to pull the wagon instead of sitting in it having someone else pull it. We got a lot done with Mitch but there is much more to do. If only the General Assembly listened to me.

Finally, I love how the media always refers to "gun permits". Ummm, no, if I want to own or carry a shotgun, rifle, carbine, submachine gun, I need no License to Carry a Handgun. If you want to carry a pistol, off your property or fixed place of bidness, get a License, with a Lifetime at 18 it could only cost less than a dollar a year.

 

[gunsmith]

yeah I know

Since when is Alcohol Abuse against the law??

My old girl fiend abused alcohol, I caught her pouring good whiskey down the drain.
I told her I never want to see her abuse alcohol like that ever again.

 

[TexasRifleman]

If it was up to the Sheriff there would be a lot of people that wouldn’t have one in Jasper County, but according to him he must follow the State’s regulations.

Sounds like time for a new Sheriff.

 

[El Tejon]

The High and Mighty Road believes that the feelings of the Sheriff should trump the law: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=305446&highlight=wife+interview+Sheriff+Indiana

 

[TexasRifleman]

he High and Mighty Road believes that the feelings of the Sheriff should trump the law

Somewhere a while back "Creeping Incrementalism" stopped creeping along and is now riding in the fast lane.

 

[kwelz]

Wow this guy sounds like he must be a Chicago transplant. Sadly we have a few of those and they are a pain.

Thankfully most of Indiana is quite gun friendly. As someone else mentioned, the lifetime permits are great. I just had to renew mine and went for the lifetime.

 

[tegemu]

Sure am glad that permits are not required in the Gunshine State.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Sure am glad that permits are not required in the Gunshine State.

Really? I have one. Well, I assume they are talking concealed permits rather than purchase permits since they talk about carrying.

Hmm, maybe I am reading it wrong.

 

[karlsgunbunker]

We don't need a permit to purchase in Indiana, but you can't leave your property with a handgun without a Hunting or CCW permit.
Permits are cheap and easy to get but you have to get one even to just go to the range.

Got my Lifetime permit last month, no safety class, just give up your prints and wait 30 days for the Pink paper in the mail. (yeah it's PINK)

I even got a discount for being a FFL.
$50 for a lifetime permit is a bargain.

 

[phoglund]

I don't mean to be contrary but it is no "bargain" to have to pay to be "allowed" to leave your property with your...um...property. How do you get the silly thing from the store you bought it from to your home in the first place? Police escort? No handgun registration, just registration if you plan on having your handgun anywhere outside your home. I honestly don't see much of a difference.

It seems no state is free of controls on firearm ownership/carrying/usage but I sure am glad I live in a state I don't have to get a permit to even walk outside my home with a handgun!

P.S. Don't even get me started about states that require a permit even to purchase a firearm!

 

[TexasRifleman]

We don't need a permit to purchase in Indiana, but you can't leave your property with a handgun without a Hunting or CCW permit.
Permits are cheap and easy to get but you have to get one even to just go to the range.

Ohhhh OK. I did misunderstand the purpose then. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[MrTwigg]

If it was up to the Sheriff there would be a lot of people that wouldn’t have one

Where does this jerk think he is ? Massachusetts ?

(In Mass. the chief LEO of every municipality has "Discretion" in licensing and deny or restict a license as they see "fit".)

 

[jhco50]

History of battery charges

Darn, I just got through charging the battery on my truck!

 

[El Tejon]

Do not need a permit in Floriduh???

Why did I have to send my money, application and proof of training to the Department of Agriculture to get mine then? Some sort of Gunshine State scam? Plus, I now have to wear black socks with shorts and eat dinner at 4:00 pm, and I just hate driving my golf cart around as it is raining here.



phog, there is no registration of the firearm for the License to Carry a Handgun. You can carry any (or all) pistol(s) that you legally possess.

 

[Seancass]

whats the law on open carry in indiana?

what about loaded and unloaded firearms in vehicles?

(this is on topic isnt it?)

 

[El Tejon]

Just have your pink card and open carry away.

In your car, have the pink card for your pistols; open carry, car carry, loaded, unloaded of shoulder guns does not require a little pink card.

Never understood the "handgun in the car" thinking. Pistol's only advantage is portability, have it on you. If you have to have a gun in the car, make it an M14 or such.

 

[JeremySmith]

You can read the whole section of the Indiana Code @ Indiana Code Title 35

IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.
(b) Unless the person's right to possess a firearm has been restored under IC 35-47-4-7, a person who has been convicted of domestic battery under IC 35-42-2-1.3 may not possess or carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body in the person's dwelling or on the person's property or fixed place of business.

IC 35-47-2-2
Excepted persons
Sec. 2. Section 1 of this chapter does not apply to:
(1) marshals;
(2) sheriffs;
(3) the commissioner of the department of correction or persons authorized by him in writing to carry firearms;
(4) judicial officers;
(5) law enforcement officers;
(6) members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves while they are on duty;
(7) regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this state who are at or are going to or from their place of assembly or target practice;
(8) employees of the United States duly authorized to carry handguns;
(9) employees of express companies when engaged in company business;
(10) any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms or the agent or representative of any such person having in his possession, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of that business; or
(11) any person while carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or in moving from one dwelling or business to another.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

My interpretation of it is that there is now unlicensed open carry. Without the licence, you can carry unloaded firearms "in a secure wrapper" from one point to another.

In the old trucks, hatchbacks, and suvs I've owned before I had my license (which is really a "License to Carry Handgun"), I always made it a point to lock the ammo in the glovebox, with everything else in the back, and it was never a problem if I got pulled over.

 

[JeremySmith]

Just have your pink card and open carry away.

In your car, have the pink card for your pistols; open carry, car carry, loaded, unloaded of shoulder guns does not require a little pink card.

Never understood the "handgun in the car" thinking. Pistol's only advantage is portability, have it on you. If you have to have a gun in the car, make it an M14 or such.

I'd thought about mounting up my new levergun, but its safer at home, and I usually have my 1911 close by. In the past I kept a cheap S&W Sigma in the console for times I couldn't readily carry, but wanted to have something a little closer to me than home.

 

[Seancass]

ah, the last part of #11 says it is ok to transport an unloaded and secured firearm from one dwelling to another.

and you can only have a gun on you if you also have a permit on you. good to know.

i actually went through and read some of those laws, i cant believe machine guns are illegal. it doesnt mention anything about the tax. i guess i'll have to keep reading and see if they really are completely illegal.

yada yada yada... "a Chinese throwing star commits a Class C misdemeanor" because we all know how often they are used in crime.