CathyGo said:Hitler's first step in disarming his country was to require gun registration. That is not a small or unimportant fact. It should not be forgotten quickly.
A national FOID would essentially be a gun registration act, think about it.This isn't a discussion about registering firearms. Also, source on the Hitler disarming his country?
Alaska444 said:A national FOID would essentially be a gun registration act, think about it.
Secondly, are you serious? Asking for a source on Hitler's gun confiscation and disarmament?
In any case, do a little bit of search, won't be hard to find.
Once again, registering the PEOPLE who OWN guns is a "form" of gun registration especially when coupled with their Firarms Transfer Inquiry Program (FTIP). Would it be possible for the state to know all the "legal" owners of firearms in Illinois? The answer is yes, that is de facto registration.It's not essentially a gun registration act -- unless in order to comply with the rules of owning a FOID card, you need to report your guns. Perhaps I missed that part of the conversation.
And not totally relevant, you'll find just as many other sources with the proper information stating what really happened in Germany. No one has good sources. Just getting tired of people spouting this without good sources. (I'm not saying it's totally false, but I don't feel the context is correct) I think this may be worth a topic if one doesn't already exist.
Is it more important to register the gun or register the owner? The FOID registers the owner, the FTIP records gun sales linked to the FOID. You MUST have a FOID to access the FTIP. How is that not a "form" of gun registration? You essentially have the same information available to the state whether starting with the gun as registration to a certain person, or registering the eligible owners and tying the gun to the owner. That makes the Illinois FOID and FTIP a de facto registration process.Right, that link is pretty much the source I used (Stephen Halbrook). Jews and those declared enemies of the state were disarmed, not the German people as a whole. That's the context I was referring to. Thanks for that link BTW, far more comprehensive than what I had found before. I understand this is ultimately semantics, but I didn't feel simply saying "Hitler disarmed his people" is entirely accurate.
Now with the whole FOID thing - maybe I'm just having a disconnect. You simply repeated what you said in your previous post. I do not have to register anything. Chicago residents might, I think. But the last time I lived in Chicago, I wasn't even old enough to own a gun. I mean, the whole FOID thing does identify gun owners to the state, but it says nothing about what that owner actually has in his possession. Maybe I was simply taking this statement too literally?
Sorry, according to the Illinois State Police, all private sales are subject to these laws as well:It's important to register nothing! You have no idea how much I hate being required to have this stupid thing. Also, that doesn't take private sales into account, as most of my firearms were acquired.
Does Illinois have a waiting period for firearm purchases and does it apply to private sales?
Yes. Illinois law requires withholding the delivery of a concealable weapon (i.e. a handgun) for at least 72 hours and a rifle, shotgun, or other long gun for at least 24 hours. This applies for gun dealers and private sales.
No problem, just stating it has been discussed on another thread for anyone that wishes to read the thread that appears to contain good information. I have no idea what your understanding is or isn't, none of my business.I don't understand what new information this provides to the discussion. Are you trying to say I don't know how private transactions are performed in Illinois or something...?