In your opinion what is the best non-firearm weapon?
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longtooth
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The best for one may not be the best for another.
Training considered is the greatest factor.
A man well trained w/ a cane is a dangerous foe at close range. Take his cane away & give him a knife that he is not trained with & he may not be as dangerous.
Training is a more lethal factor than the weapon itself whether gun, knife, stick, or empty hands.
The above weapon is evidently a very lethal one but I have no idea how to us it.
Training considered is the greatest factor.
A man well trained w/ a cane is a dangerous foe at close range. Take his cane away & give him a knife that he is not trained with & he may not be as dangerous.
Training is a more lethal factor than the weapon itself whether gun, knife, stick, or empty hands.
The above weapon is evidently a very lethal one but I have no idea how to us it.
Longtooth
Dear Longtooth,
I should have maybe said this, rather than assume it's implied, but I am referring to the non-trained average citizen, which I would consider myself in that group. I thought that maybe a hatchet or machete, for the average untrained person, due to their utility and their potential lethality. As I said though I'm untrained and not very knowledgable about these types of weapons.
Dear Longtooth,
I should have maybe said this, rather than assume it's implied, but I am referring to the non-trained average citizen, which I would consider myself in that group. I thought that maybe a hatchet or machete, for the average untrained person, due to their utility and their potential lethality. As I said though I'm untrained and not very knowledgable about these types of weapons.
ChristopherG
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For the average, non-trained person, a spear is probably the most effective weapon
a) in hand-to-hand combat
b) where there's room to wield it
(you just can't answer at all without some specifications or qualifications).
a) in hand-to-hand combat
b) where there's room to wield it
(you just can't answer at all without some specifications or qualifications).
Hans Esker
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For the given criteria:
Spear with a cut/thrust blade.
use the opposite end for less lethal work.
Spear with a cut/thrust blade.
use the opposite end for less lethal work.
Dark Skies
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A pair would be better.
Birdhunter1
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A hand grenade!
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The Kusarigama is a farmers weapon, as it is a take off on a syth. I saw a trained fighter use one, and he used the chain to tie up his opponets weapons, and to tie up the opponent himself, who was armed with a long sword and shield.
The one in the picture seems to have a bit larger weight on the chain than the one i saw. The idea is to have the chain loosely wrap around a target you want to take away from the opponent, and then you can move in with the syth.
Not very practical for use in the USA today, and if i was a juror in court I would convict anyone who used one for pre-meditated murder. To strange in a world where more common weapons are the norm.
What ever you use is going to be looked at by a jury, and some of these off the wall items are going to get you life!
Right after the shot put post a thread came up on toliet paper. That was rightly locked, but I wanted to reply anyway.
It can be done, and with ease. SCAA events use a roll of toilet paper all taped up in duct tape. The handle is a 3 or 4 foot long 1" round rattan wood.
This represents a war hammer, and dry it passes inspection. Right after it is inspected I noticed anyone with this weapon soaks it in a bucket of water.
I also noticed anyone hit on the field of battle goes DOWN. That is in armor no less.
Common items? Cane, sticks, bat, hammer, knife... Something you would have because you are doing that type of thing... i used a carpenters hammer once as a threat, because I was making repairs to a house for hire and some dufus came to first sell me drugs, then to steal my ladder..
I used a fly rod to kill a cotton mouth after my son when he was 3.... That snake was after my son, not just near him.. We were fishing..
The one in the picture seems to have a bit larger weight on the chain than the one i saw. The idea is to have the chain loosely wrap around a target you want to take away from the opponent, and then you can move in with the syth.
Not very practical for use in the USA today, and if i was a juror in court I would convict anyone who used one for pre-meditated murder. To strange in a world where more common weapons are the norm.
What ever you use is going to be looked at by a jury, and some of these off the wall items are going to get you life!
Right after the shot put post a thread came up on toliet paper. That was rightly locked, but I wanted to reply anyway.
It can be done, and with ease. SCAA events use a roll of toilet paper all taped up in duct tape. The handle is a 3 or 4 foot long 1" round rattan wood.
This represents a war hammer, and dry it passes inspection. Right after it is inspected I noticed anyone with this weapon soaks it in a bucket of water.
I also noticed anyone hit on the field of battle goes DOWN. That is in armor no less.
Common items? Cane, sticks, bat, hammer, knife... Something you would have because you are doing that type of thing... i used a carpenters hammer once as a threat, because I was making repairs to a house for hire and some dufus came to first sell me drugs, then to steal my ladder..
I used a fly rod to kill a cotton mouth after my son when he was 3.... That snake was after my son, not just near him.. We were fishing..
A stick.
Followed by a blade.
Perhaps a stick with a blade?
C'mon, you have to provide some context for such a question.
Carry?
Concealed Carry?
Sitting in the corner of the great room?
Please define era.
Followed by a blade.
Perhaps a stick with a blade?
C'mon, you have to provide some context for such a question.
Carry?
Concealed Carry?
Sitting in the corner of the great room?
Please define era.
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TimM
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Bow and of course arrows. I think it is fairly obvious answer myself.
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[I should have maybe said this, rather than assume it's implied, but I am referring to the non-trained average citizen, which I would consider myself in that group. I thought that maybe a hatchet or machete, for the average untrained person, due to their utility and their potential lethality. As I said though I'm untrained and not very knowledgable about these types of weapons.]
May we assume that you are also talking non fantacy, present day joe citizen going about his daily business?
Short of a firearm, I really do believe a stick has no equal in the hands of somebody wanting to protect themselves.
A stick can be carried anyplace, anytime. Its so under the radar, most people won't recognize it when its right there next to them. A towel rack on the wall, a rung of a wooden chair, broom or mop handle that can be kicked in half. Or the ubiquitous cane or walking stick.
I don't think it was an accident of fate that for thousands of years, the staff or rod, or cane, has been a companion of travelers on the roads. From a merchant or tinker traveling on the roads of medevil Europe, to the gentlemen of Victorian era who took lessons in cane defense at special studios set up for that purpase.
A walking stick/cane/hiking staff, is always right there in your hand, ready for instant use. Being a blunt force truma inducing weapon, it's effect is immediate. A hand or arm with crushed bones or nerve centers is usless imediatly, vs a cut which may take a while to take affect due to blood loss.
A stick can be improvised out of near anything. The knowledge of how to use it will always be in your head, once learned. Every office building has a janitors closet with one or more nice ash handled mops in it. There's curtain rods as well. Fire place pokers work well too.
With the Americans With disabilities Act, nobody wants to be sued for taking a cane away from you. I've walked into court houses, onto airlines, and into schools with my walking stick. Nobody ever said a thing. yet there it was right in hand, 36 inches of Irish Blackthorn. Or one of my homemade hornbeams. The few comments made were compliments on what a nice looking stick it was. Three feet of stick and a 33 inch sleeve, gives me approximatly a 6 foot radius of swinging room around me. More than enough to buy me space from a knife wielding street punk. Or used pugil stick style, it can block a knife thrust, and then deliver a root knob to the face/throat (like a butt stroke) followed by a shaft blow to the same area in the space of a heartbeat.
Miyamoto Musashi fought a number of duals against katana wielding foes, using a wooden training sword, killing his opponent. A length of oak can be very deadly.
But even for an untrained Joe, a stick is an intuative weapon. Even chimanzes in the wild have been seen to pick up a stick and swing it at a foe. With very little little forthought and a tad of training, a stick can be used to very very good effect. It is not that uncommon to run across articles in the newspaper of a senior citizen fighting off a mugger with a cane. A stick is intuative enough that the old sailors would preffer a belaying pin in close action boarding to the issue cutlass or boarding pike. When sir robert Peel was setting up the very first police force, The London Metropolitan Police, (Bobby's) he was wondering what to arm them with. Pistols of the day were single shot weapons, and in the rainy damp climate of London, not too reliable. He considered swords. Then one of his Bobby recruits, a former sailor in the royal Navy, told him about belaying pins. He then had some study sticks turned out, and it's been history ever since.
There's been many a person or home thats been protected by a sledge hammer handle or ax handle.
If I can't have my Smith and Wesson revolver, give me a good stick.
May we assume that you are also talking non fantacy, present day joe citizen going about his daily business?
Short of a firearm, I really do believe a stick has no equal in the hands of somebody wanting to protect themselves.
A stick can be carried anyplace, anytime. Its so under the radar, most people won't recognize it when its right there next to them. A towel rack on the wall, a rung of a wooden chair, broom or mop handle that can be kicked in half. Or the ubiquitous cane or walking stick.
I don't think it was an accident of fate that for thousands of years, the staff or rod, or cane, has been a companion of travelers on the roads. From a merchant or tinker traveling on the roads of medevil Europe, to the gentlemen of Victorian era who took lessons in cane defense at special studios set up for that purpase.
A walking stick/cane/hiking staff, is always right there in your hand, ready for instant use. Being a blunt force truma inducing weapon, it's effect is immediate. A hand or arm with crushed bones or nerve centers is usless imediatly, vs a cut which may take a while to take affect due to blood loss.
A stick can be improvised out of near anything. The knowledge of how to use it will always be in your head, once learned. Every office building has a janitors closet with one or more nice ash handled mops in it. There's curtain rods as well. Fire place pokers work well too.
With the Americans With disabilities Act, nobody wants to be sued for taking a cane away from you. I've walked into court houses, onto airlines, and into schools with my walking stick. Nobody ever said a thing. yet there it was right in hand, 36 inches of Irish Blackthorn. Or one of my homemade hornbeams. The few comments made were compliments on what a nice looking stick it was. Three feet of stick and a 33 inch sleeve, gives me approximatly a 6 foot radius of swinging room around me. More than enough to buy me space from a knife wielding street punk. Or used pugil stick style, it can block a knife thrust, and then deliver a root knob to the face/throat (like a butt stroke) followed by a shaft blow to the same area in the space of a heartbeat.
Miyamoto Musashi fought a number of duals against katana wielding foes, using a wooden training sword, killing his opponent. A length of oak can be very deadly.
But even for an untrained Joe, a stick is an intuative weapon. Even chimanzes in the wild have been seen to pick up a stick and swing it at a foe. With very little little forthought and a tad of training, a stick can be used to very very good effect. It is not that uncommon to run across articles in the newspaper of a senior citizen fighting off a mugger with a cane. A stick is intuative enough that the old sailors would preffer a belaying pin in close action boarding to the issue cutlass or boarding pike. When sir robert Peel was setting up the very first police force, The London Metropolitan Police, (Bobby's) he was wondering what to arm them with. Pistols of the day were single shot weapons, and in the rainy damp climate of London, not too reliable. He considered swords. Then one of his Bobby recruits, a former sailor in the royal Navy, told him about belaying pins. He then had some study sticks turned out, and it's been history ever since.
There's been many a person or home thats been protected by a sledge hammer handle or ax handle.
If I can't have my Smith and Wesson revolver, give me a good stick.
TheVirginian
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mdao,
If that's not a FIREarm, then I've never seen one...
-Bill
If that's not a FIREarm, then I've never seen one...
-Bill
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Seriously, it's gotta be bow and arrow, and then spear. But then you aren't seriously going to use those things for SD; maybe in Somalia, but not in this land of law.
-Bill
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My original post assumed that one was to master the weapon and use it against practically any other non-firearm weapon.
Didn't know anyone was talking about the average untrained person and legal issues. I that case... probably a good baseball bat.
Didn't know anyone was talking about the average untrained person and legal issues. I that case... probably a good baseball bat.
"Best" kinda depends on expected use. For home defense, a lot of times I recommend a halfspear, if firearms aren't an option.
Something like the Cold Steel short assegai. http://www.fernknives.com/cold-steel/assegai-with-short-shaft/1592/
A halfspear with good cutting edges really combines the best elements of spear, sword, axe, and stick, and can be used effectively with techniques for any of the above weapons.
It's also extremely well suited for anyone who's been in the military, that remembers their fixed bayonet and pugil stick training. One end slices and stabs, the other end smashes. Fixed bayonet fighting is pretty closely based on halfsword and halfspear techniques.
Something like the Cold Steel short assegai. http://www.fernknives.com/cold-steel/assegai-with-short-shaft/1592/
A halfspear with good cutting edges really combines the best elements of spear, sword, axe, and stick, and can be used effectively with techniques for any of the above weapons.
It's also extremely well suited for anyone who's been in the military, that remembers their fixed bayonet and pugil stick training. One end slices and stabs, the other end smashes. Fixed bayonet fighting is pretty closely based on halfsword and halfspear techniques.
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Depends on the circumstances
At range, at bow, clearly. Compound for Hunting, Recurve for fighting.
At hand to hand distances, either a sword (such as a 2-handed chisa katana), a hatchet/tomahawk, or a spear. Those who seem to be in the know say a short spear is the most devastating/effective hand to hand weapon. I personally *feel* better protected with a chisa katana or a similar 2-edged sword, than the other two short list choices. I can thrust powerfully like a spear/bayo, but slice and dice and block as well. A chisa katana or wakizashi or similar, or a tomahawk can be used 1-handed as well in conjunction with a shield. So you have to ask yourself what's the other guy going to be armed with and do I want to use a shield and limit my offense, or ditch the shield and go full on offense with a 2 handed weapon? If the opponent has a gun, and you don't, then the shield probably ain't gonna help, so you're better of with a 2-handed weapon.
OK, nevermind, game set and match to flamethrower!!
At range, at bow, clearly. Compound for Hunting, Recurve for fighting.
At hand to hand distances, either a sword (such as a 2-handed chisa katana), a hatchet/tomahawk, or a spear. Those who seem to be in the know say a short spear is the most devastating/effective hand to hand weapon. I personally *feel* better protected with a chisa katana or a similar 2-edged sword, than the other two short list choices. I can thrust powerfully like a spear/bayo, but slice and dice and block as well. A chisa katana or wakizashi or similar, or a tomahawk can be used 1-handed as well in conjunction with a shield. So you have to ask yourself what's the other guy going to be armed with and do I want to use a shield and limit my offense, or ditch the shield and go full on offense with a 2 handed weapon? If the opponent has a gun, and you don't, then the shield probably ain't gonna help, so you're better of with a 2-handed weapon.
OK, nevermind, game set and match to flamethrower!!
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A good sheath knife and a tomahawk
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For a non lethal close quarter attack weapon upon one or several opponents that may not be using a gun, spear or sword I would use what I carry in my left tool pocket of my double knee Carhart pants and that is a collapsible 21" ASP baton.
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All seriousness though, knowledge is more important than tools. Although a stick is instinctive to use, to use it effectively takes knowledge. Same with any tool you have at your disposal. Bow and arrow means nothing to those who dont know how to use it. Etc.
Without any knowlege though, I would think a spear would be the easiest and can cause the most damage even for a novice. Distance and pointy thing.
All seriousness though, knowledge is more important than tools. Although a stick is instinctive to use, to use it effectively takes knowledge. Same with any tool you have at your disposal. Bow and arrow means nothing to those who dont know how to use it. Etc.
Without any knowlege though, I would think a spear would be the easiest and can cause the most damage even for a novice. Distance and pointy thing.
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