Including Physical Training as Part of SD

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At 47, that is damn good shape. Certainly above and beyond the average over 40 male.

You have the genetics to bein that kind of shape, I bet it will all snap back in line pretty quick.

Here is a good representation of what 5lbs of fat looks like compared to 5 lbs of muscle:
 

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Just a quick pic to show you I am not a living beach ball. Not well defined at all yet, but I don't think I am a giant human bean bag chair either. Just snapped this picture before I start getting ready for work. By end of summer, should have converted the rest of the extra crisco on me to more muscle. Should also be knocking on the door of a 475lb benchpress if progress keeps the same pace. I'll see if I can find a pic of me at 270 - as disgusting as it is...
 

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Combat Conditioning by Matt Furey
The Naked Warrior by Pavel
Spec Ops Fitness Training by Mark De Lisle
The Core Performance by Mark Verstegen
Total Heart Rate Training by Joe Friel

These would make a gosharned good start.

Get your feet analyzed for pronation and purchase running shoes and inserts if necessary and 'have at it.' You'll love yourself for it.
 
Hey y'all,
I'd definitely say arms training without empty-handed self-defense training is lopsided. You have to try to account for all contingencies and your mind and your body are all you can be guaranteed of having on you in ANY situation. This came to mind in the recent "what gun do you take to the shower with you" thread which had some legitimate points but few reliable answers.

I recommend that EVERYONE find a martial arts school that practices an integrated system designed to cultivate awareness, longevity, and always focuses its efforts on self-defense. I am a practitioner and instructor of Shaolin Kempo Karate, a mixed martial art founded by Grandmaster Frederick Villari over 40 years ago. His system is comprehensive and is quite prevalent in the Northeast with strong presence in California and Florida as well. There are also knock-off schools becuase his system is so good (any school of Shaolin Kempo is likely teaching his system whether they give credit for its origins or not).

Awareness of surroundings and effective technique (effective for the individual and the circumstance) are the focus of our efforts. As an integrated system it removes the weaknesses of traditional forms of martial arts and retains all effective fighting techniques (hitting, kicking, grappling, and felling). Empty-handed defense against weapon attacks (clubs, knives, guns) are regularly practiced.

Remember: any weapon is simply an extension of the body. Cultivate greater awareness, focus, and 'looseness' in the mind and body and all your various abilities will be sharpened. This is why so many people practice martial arts in addition to their sports or skills (even those forms without much emphasis on self-defense).

Find a school that does it all with an eye to EFFECTIVE self-defense. There are too many 'UFC' wanna-be's out there right now giving flashy technique or grappling training that quite simply is rule-bound because it's a sport, not self-defense. You do not want to be in a self-defense situation having been trained against certain techniques. Learn to go for the places not even a 350-pound cagefighter can strengthen: eyes, throat, groin, knees, ears, nerves, etc. Good martial arts training can make you better with a gun, more likely a better judge of when to use it or better yet how to avoid such a situation altogether.
 
Its funny how fitness and strength seem to change over the years as we age.

When I was in high school, I could run pretty fast, but I never seemed to really get stronger or gain any weight no matter how much I trained.

Now I’m pushing 30, and before I even started weight training again my strength seemed to magically increase. I still weigh about what I did in school, and although I don’t look much bigger, I am a lot stronger. Recovery takes longer now though. Go figure.

It will be interesting to see what happens at 30, and then at 40 and 50.

There also seem to be very different goals you can set when you really get into training. Max weight, max output, flexibility, cardio etc. no reason not to transition from one to another.

Anyone in the greater Philadelphia PA area into cross fit or Krav Maga?
 
I was a skinny concentration camp victim in high school - I ran long distance track and cross county. When I graduated high school I had a 30" waist, I was 6'2" tall and I weighed 165 lbs.

I was 31 years old before I could ever put on any weight or muscle mass. Now I have a hard time keeping it under control, but when I work out - I gain muscle mass quickly.
 
Two things, like the song says, "not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was."

and, when I was in the military, one of my bosses, who had once been a swoopty type of individual, put us to the challenge of trying to simulate the effects of an adrenalin hit. He PT'ed the S*** out of us, then made us practice our combat drills, mainly SPORTS (clearing a jam on a M-4)

Big difference,

my philosophy is to maintain the mind, and part of that is trying to keep the container it's in in decent shape.
 
One suggestion and one question along with a commment. The suggestion is stay in as good as shpe as you can. Not all people though can do that. Qusestion What does a 147 grain Win LE shoot through more 5 # of fat or muscle. Third Mods make these guys take their shirts off if they are going to show their physic. I think I can sell some on a few sites:evil: Mindset is your strongest accet. Its a package being beter than normal at each helps but its the brains that save your ass.



Jim
 
Clarence Bass is open-minded enough to have found most of the right answers that currently exist about training.


http://www.cbass.com


Train hard, briefly, and kind of infrequently. Lift weights and do "sprints" once a week. Walk most of the days in between.


When we finally find all the answers about training and throw out all the errors, it'll probably all fit on half a page.
 
You cosnistant ironwork guys-work in bodyweight moves...guys like me who favor the old "white trash yoga"i.e.body weight drills for strength and muscular endurance-add some iron to the regimen.Sprinters?Work in some LSD (long SUSTAINED distance,not therecreational brain shaker:D)...Long distance "joggers"? Hill sprints and intervals...EVERYONE:Easy stretch before training ,deep stretch AFTER training.Think FUNCTION vs. "gym bunny-I feel pretty" BS.
SOmeone where I train started to bring in some kettlebell classes-I tried it and liked it-and then sprained my wrist in a fall a few days later:banghead:...I want to get back into that since I am not what you would call a "body builder " type.
 
What ever happened to the old Confidence Course and a little Oorah in bad weather and cold? (Or all sun and humidity?)

Im a runt. always has been always will be. The only thing Ive got is I can be faster than my opponet and get something done. But one club hit and that is all folks. I learned that during football. I think I was .. 120 trying to defend my quarterback against a 230 pound nose center defense player. He would flip me end over end, my problem was landing without breaking something. Usually I hold em down long enough for QB to get the ball away. Coach had me go reciever so I can get away from the muscle boys and did better.

2 mile and three mile run flat out was my game in addition to 50 mile round trips by 10 speed after dinner on a quart of water in summer.

Then I got married. That is worth 30 pounds. Then quit smoking and drinking. Another 30 pounds. Stopped the strudel and sausages/taters/gravy.

Still a runt against the rest of my family that outweights me in the upper 200's and low 300's

Oh well. Some of thier health issues aint gonna kill me. Something else will. I dont do beaches and I dont go too light on the summer clothes. Too many scars and damage from the years on the road.

Oh yea something else. I have the agility of a tree. I managed to be laughed out of every single gym class that required anything other than climbing rope, running or blocking.
 
you need to get involved in a grappling style of some kind. i would recommend finding a brazilian jiu jitsu school assoiciated with one of the gracies.
i dont buy into martial art styles that tout eye gouges and throat strikes. over on the sherdog forums, people would always tout these as the bee knees of self defense. which i do not doubt their strength, just the justified application and the ability to train these "moves".
muscle memory is the goal you should be working for, if you cant train a particular move a thousand times without risk of injury then its a good move.

my selling point for a grappling style is the ability to turn up the intensity to the need for the situation. if i need to handle a drunk friend, i dont have to knock him into next week. i can control the situation.

there are many arguments made against jiu jitsu, not one of them is related to jiu jitsu alone and are generally the short comings of all martial arts. however the fact that this is a firearm forum and not a martial arts forum means that you are probably carrying which remedies most of the problems.

another consideration for a grappling style is that being familiar with the nuances and flow of a grappling situation will allow you to retain control over your weapon.

there are people who study grappling on occasion, and then there are grapplers.

take my advice for what it is, biased to grappling but dont dismiss it.
i hope it helps
 
Balance in all things.... I am not a grappler,preferring to "bang away"...that said;those guys ( the good ones,at least ) are usually conditioning monsters.additionally(for reasons I never quite grasped!)-most grappler types I have encountered seemed to learn striking more readily than strikers seemed to learn to grapple,roll etc.....go figure.
If I had to guess,I'd sya its due to fact that grapplers are used to working in all dimensions,constantly having to change levels already.
I guess the current mix of BJJ/traditonal Aiki Jitsu and Muay Thai seems to be a well thought out combo_One could say the same RE the Sambo guys ( Fedor,anyone?)
 
Due to multiple surgeries, I have to work out 60 to 90 minutes every AM and every PM. It takes that much isometric strength training and isometric stretching to keep the range of motion. Fortunate for me, I begin scar tissue massage and acupuncture on Monday. I won't post any pics. I intentionally wear loose clothing to conceal my build. I have elected to allow any attackers to learn the hard way. I will simply say that at age 49, and 5'9", 173 pounds with a 1% body fat is no small achievement. I do eat well, and I exercise with intent.

I have not been active in tournament fighting of late due to 8 neurosurgeries (electronic stimulator in the spine). That now removed, the neurosurgeon has told me he wants me to return to tournaments as well. He and I have to speak frankly. My training is not for tournaments. Most tournament fighters fights for points, and draw their punches. We fight full-contact, no pads. Historically, I and tournaments are not good at co-existing. I hit too hard and end up getting penalty points for excessive contact.

Chang Hun TaeKwonDo, Certified Instructor
(30-some-odd years)

Sohng Ahm TaeKwonDo, Certified Instructor
(Appx 28 years)

Kodokan Judo, Certified Instructor
(Appx. 31 instructing; Student since about age 8).

Kuk Sool Won, lowly blue belt ;)

In closing, yes, I do admit, with great humility, that I am among the purist martial arts instructors. I do tend to take myself and my workouts entirely too seriously. I am working at taking myself less seriously. No, I'm not kidding. The martial arts changed my life by changing how I view life. Alas, I drift.

Geno
 
And show-off the scars from my 39 surgical procedures?! I'd rather not. I make "Scar Face" look like a beauty queen. Maybe after I complete the next two rounds of reconstructive plastic surgeries. Seriously...the scars are embarassing. I just had 31 inches of scar band removed, armpit-to-armpit, up the left of the neck, and along half of the spine. Next the surgeon will remove the scars across the right side, then the chest, neck and stomach.

Edit: Here this doesn't show the massive ball of scars that I have become. This is me poking fun at Kerry Roop's defensive posture. I call it armadillo man. Everytime I moved in for an attack, he curled up into armadillo mode.

Geno

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By doc2005, shot with PENTAX Optio E40 at 2009-06-05
 
FD:

A 1% body fat actually isn't healthy. It can lead to leaky heart values, etc. My doctor tells me that's how he assumes I acquired mine. Anyhow, so long as I stay out of the water, I'm fine. Try to float at 1%.

Ya know...I'd bet that if I let the surgeon remove the fat from my head that I could hit .001%. :) Heck, then I'd probably develop a leaky brain too. There...a break from me being over-serious.

Geno
 
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Boxing is a great way to get in shape and learn to throw solid punch combinations. I know a lot of people talk highly about martial arts but coming from a karate background myself (1st dan), I can tells you that nothing gets you blood pumping faster than 5 rounds with the heavy bag.
 
I read this thread the other day. That evening I climbed a BIG local hill on my mountain bike, then hit the technical downhill without stopping while showing the new kid in the group from the local college that us 'old' locals can kick some butt. Kept a good lead on him, I was flying. Perceptions change while anaerobic. It was similar to an adrenaline hit. Gotta try some shooting after a huge climb.

My Gf and I are both very fit. I feel sorry for anyone who tries to mess with us. Although usually scum has less to lose :mad: We're both alert and have no sympathy for scum. She's trained in Aikido, I have a bit of Karate. Gonna start Aikido with her this fall after bike season is over and I have time again. Being fit is a HUGE advantage. We can outrun most who would give us a hard time. Better than standing and fighting, as we don't yet have kids to protect.

It's important to PUSH yourself! Don't use age as an excuse! I regularly ride with a dude who's mid-50s and kicks the ass of 20s. Keep yourself stretched and injuries are less likely. Eat well. We eat mostly organic and local. It's worth it. Organics have better soil and therefore more nutrition. The pork chops from a friend's pigs makes me close my eyes and say "MMMMM". Our garden is planted and growing our fuel.

Live strong. Play. Life's short.
 
No so much physical TRAINING as more of motivation to put boots down and make it happen very fast.

Anything you can do to provide early warning will add valuable time to your problem. Time is a tyrant. Either you have enough or not.

I did not pick up any specific Martial art, but recall a Sensei who was in Hap-Ki-Do and 60 years aged. Not a appearance over 20. You think that little man was a knock over, easy hit, easy prey.

Not so. I went a few spars with him and got a hold of him a time or two but found myself not only re arranged but also flipped on all three axis faster than I can do anything about it. If ever attacked by someone like him in future, I want to draw and blast him about 8 feet away and be center mass.

That one will live forever and outlive us all.
 
Boxing is a great way to get in shape and learn to throw solid punch combinations. I know a lot of people talk highly about martial arts but coming from a karate background myself (1st dan), I can tells you that nothing gets you blood pumping faster than 5 rounds with the heavy bag.

I agree with that, I was big time into Karate and later started boxing. Now, at age 50 I can still make the heavy bag swing for over 20 minutes ( I do so regularly ) and at 6'1" weigh 168 lbs, just a few pounds less than I weighed at my peak when I was around 25 years old.

Nevertheless, I feel the effects of age. If I stop working out for just a few weeks, getting back into it is hard and I quickly loose performance. When I was in my thirties, my job and family with little kids did not allow me the time to work out, I still could always do 15 pull ups and over 40 push ups, I now have to work on it just to be able to do that.

And when I am running, every injury comes back to haunt me. There are pains and aches that I never knew existed!
 
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