Increasing global, national, state, and city tensions... change your S&T?

[adrenalyn]

I haven't changed anything. However, I know of multiple co workers who have bought guns, applied for CCW's, building personal arsenals, etc. I simply point out arming themselves with knowledge and skills via practice are just as important, if not more so. I find it amazing how many people think having a gun or permit will save them or make them any more prepared. I Just hand them food for thought (the starving), so to speak.

 

[Kendal Black]

We can get a good idea about economic breakdown scenarios by watching Europe. Everyone is owed everything. Who shall pay? There have already been riots, over there, about small cuts, or proposed small cuts, to public largess. Governments are at odds with each other about debts being passed from the local to the international level--bailouts are not popular outside the places that get them.

Europe is a few years ahead of us, but we are following the same path of reckless debt, so what happens there is a useful barometer for what is likely to happen here.

 

[Nushif]

Europe is a few years ahead of us, but we are following the same path of reckless debt, so what happens there is a useful barometer for what is likely to happen here.

You mean a place where when you work 40 hours a week you can afford a bed to lay in and food? Or was that the same place where a people actually continued using the transit system as is, without privacy destroying government measures .. at the risk of being gased? Wait, no ... you mean the place where they managed mounting a non-partisan movement to not ban guns that didn't alienate half the country! an won, because a large chunk of the population was pro-gun and didn't roll their eyes at the partisan hackery.

All that aside though, I honestly don't think Europe is entirely on the same track as us. As someone probably already pointed out, European and American "breakdowns" would come in two very distinct flavours:
In one, the private sector breaks down and government is the only institution left, in the other government breaks down and corporate rule is the only institution left, but frankly all of this talk about "civil breakdown" is so far left field it's unimaginable. When the great depression hit people weren't marauding in the streets mad-max style, the way we envision this at times, so what makes us think another great depression is going to be any different. If you want to look at what would happen if a great depression hit, look at what happened during the last one. Not the 24 hour propaganda machine.

 

[Kendal Black]

I will thank you not to hijack my argument.

Do not try to make bad, stupid and faulty points for me, Nushif; I can do that all by myself. Cartooning another's position is filled with 'fail.'

But it really does not matter where the money has gone. It is gone, and you may blame whom you will. The problem is this: There is no more. I liken this to Aesop's story of the goose with golden eggs.

I know where my money went. Do you even pay taxes?

 

[Nushif]

I know where my money went. Do you even pay taxes?

I do, every year as a matter of fact, this changes nothing about the fact that somehow miraculously during the last great depression Mad Max never actually happened.

 

[Kendal Black]

Again, you are trying to make my argument what it is not. Watch Europe. That is all I am saying.

I never said anything about Mad Max. Note that. Ridiculous movie, I never mentioned it, but you are trying to associate it with me. Nice.

The wish to attribute false claims to an adversary is known as the straw man argument. This is an argument you win, because you have already decided what the other fellow is and thinks.

I think Europe is out of money and benefits. Argue that.

 

[Kendal Black]

Again, you are trying to make my argument what it is not. Watch Europe. That is all I am saying.

I never said anything about Mad Max. Note that. Ridiculous movie, I never mentioned it, but you are trying to associate it with me. Nice.

The wish to attribute false claims to an adversary is known as the straw man argument. This is an argument you win, because you have already decided what the other fellow is and thinks.

I think Europe is out of money and benefits. Argue that.

 

[Kleanbore]

Obvious veer into the realm of irrelevance to the topic.....