Incredible Traffic Stop

[justin 561]

It all depends on how that cop is feeling, if hes not having a good day, or you get mouthy with him, you'll most likely get a ticket and he will waste a TON of your time. But it doesn't mean if you're nice, he wont do the same. I tend to tell a officer right off the bat if I have a weapon in my car, if its loaded or not, and where it is in the car, it makes me feel safe as it probably does for him also.

 

[c.latrans]

Montana and Wyoming sound better all the time.

Encounters like this are more common in WY than they are in MT. LEOs in WY seem to have a much more western attitude than those in MT. Come to think of it, those LEOs I have delt with in Idaho seem more western as well.........must be all of that common border with Canada!

 

[neededausername]

I had a discussion with a LEO that came into my store the other day about CCW. Here in Arkansas he said the CCW comes up when they run your license so the LEO knows. It was this particular LEO's opinion that as long as you are a law abiding citizen it was none of his business and that we shouldn't have to get a CCW permit as long as we have the 2nd ammendment. And my wife from California wonders why I love the South.

 

[scrat]

OMG i guess i need to move to wyoming. As in California. You would have been handcuffed on the side of the road waiting for back up.

 

[Hk91-762mm]

I lived in MT for 6 monts --GODS COUNTRY!!!!!
To get there I had to pass through SD--Daschel country =I saw many anti hunting bilboards =When stopped at a chicken coop I was harassed By the Fuzz there![any weapons Boy]
In Mt I never saw a LEO-and Gun rights were great -Like shooting a full auto in the hills above Butte and No cops came to check us out.
My fire chief is also a LEO=After College he went to MT as a rookie he stopped a truck and noticed a pistol on a holster hanging from the mirror and a rifle in the back window--He asked ARE they loaded ??--answer -YES they are ,,,He calls in a fellow officer and tells him --Officers tells him LOOK how are you gona Kill something with an empty gun !!!!!!! Best story i ever heard !
I lived In Union SC. for 2 years I crest a hill 15 mph Over the limit cop passes me in the oppisit direction --waves to me ==I wave back -No problem --i miss the place -except the heat and humidity

 

[scrat]

He calls in a fellow officer and tells him --Officers tells him LOOK how are you gona Kill something with an empty gun !!!!!!! Best story i ever heard !

hahahahahhahaha love it

 

[Z-Michigan]

The fact that you were in Wyoming is, well, 99% of the good result.

I have been seriously considering moving to Wyoming for a while, for a variety of reasons. (And my dad used to live in Laramie, and is now in CO, so it's not just dreaming.) This is just another plus in my view.

 

[wyocarp]

Wyocarp was wobbling a little bit late at night, so that trooper stopping him to see if he was intoxicated or maybe just dozing off at the wheel wasn't a bad effort.

One way or the other, that trooper woke ol Wyocarp up!!

Iggy, I'd have to say you are dead wrong. I don't fall asleep. I don't drive for a living and I charged almost $30,000 in gas last year. I hadn't been on the road for more than a few minutes after stopping in Rock Springs. I was the only one on the road besides the vehicle that was following too closely behind me. It doesn't bother me to go over a line but I've never been in an accident.

 

[wyocarp]

I tend to tell a officer right off the bat if I have a weapon in my car, if its loaded or not, and where it is in the car, it makes me feel safe as it probably does for him also.

I tend to feel that it is really none of their business. Typically, I don't have as many guns in view but since he was pulling me over I thought I'd test the water a little since they were already out.

Someone mentioned that I would have been in handcuffs if in California. Well, I've been in handcuffs in the back of a highway patrol car for nothing more than having guns in Wyoming before.

 

[justin 561]

I tend to feel that it is really none of their business.

Really, If YOU were a LEO wouldn't you want the person to let you know he has guns in his car? It may not be any of his business, but I'm sure it makes him feel better. I don't get why people get so hush hush about their guns when talking to a officer, if he pulls you over and you say "it's none of your business!" Hes probably going to waste more of your time. Be smart, tell them you have a weapon. Whats the worst that can happen?? It is not to great to brag about being hand cuffed in the back of a squad car, last time I got pulled over, I hoped not to be hand cuffed or even near the back of his car.

 

[Soybomb]

My own personal experience is when you move up the line, the more professional and courteous the officer is. While I've been treated poorly from town police before, every run in with the state police I've had has been just fine. Thats not to say that there aren't some great guys on the towns department or that the state guy won't give you a ticket, but I'd always rather be pulled over by the state police based on my experience so far.

Really, If YOU were a LEO wouldn't you want the person to let you know he has guns in his car? It may not be any of his business, but I'm sure it makes him feel better.

I think many people here feel that you run the gamble of turning a quick stop into something more drawn out because of the guns.

 

[wyocarp]

I think many people here feel that you run the gamble of turning a quick stop into something more drawn out because of the guns.

Exactly. When I was handcuffed, I was honest and not doing anything wrong. The officer thought I could have slowed down more when passing him. I did slow down 20 miles per hour and coasted by, but he wanted to tell me that I could have slowed down more and moved over more. (No ticket) But I did spend over an hour handcuffed while they searched my vehicle and checked all my guns.

 

[justin 561]

But I did spend over an hour handcuffed while they searched my vehicle and checked all my guns.

Either way he was going to find your guns, and I'm sure he would have treated you worse if you were to lie to him.

 

[wyocarp]

justin, while I agree, I feel that is totally wrong. Just like driving in front of patrolman, if you do it long enough you will get pulled over. They are looking for reasons to ticket people which is why I won't typically drive in front of a patrolman.

I guess I need to stop looking at this thread because even though I started this thread to share a good experience, I don't like any type of police and even don't like the idea that I was stopped since I don't feel I was driving in such a mannor that said I needed to be pulled over.

 

[justin 561]

Belive me, I can bet no one on THR enjoys getting pulled over, but from what I've gained (and it just might be only me and my experience) but I like when the officer feels as safe as possible. I may live in a higher crime area where it is vital for a officer to know if guns are in the car or not. I know it's different for other states, and city, and up to the persons preference whether he/she would like the officer to find the guns rather than tell him, but I've noticed they treat me better if I do. You can operate how you like, With the all LEO shootings recently where I live, I can let the LEO sleep better and feel safer by just letting him know whats in my car ATM. I know nothing illegal is in my car, so I have no problem when they want to search it, which is rarely ever done. You may not like police, and it is a bummer that you've been treated so badly by certain officers, but I assure you, not all police are bad, or pull you over for minor things, and the hand cuffing you is their way of securing you for their saftey, as well as yours. As like the poster on page 1 said, crossing over the line and slow driving are the most common indicators of a drunk driver.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Justin 561 wrote:

I like when the officer feels as safe as possible.

I like it when I feel and am as safe as possible.

The feeling that "I'm safe now" does not overwhelm me when I'm sitting in handcuffs as a legislation enforcement officer rifles through my car after a statutory infraction that harmed no one and put no one in danger. I am not a criminal. My safety and security are not increased by being marginally helpless due to stainless steel restraints snapped around my wrists.

If your goal is to make those in power feel as safe as possible, feel free to go about your everyday business unarmed and wearing chains, and telling everyone who stops you that they may search your car and your person. It's possible.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[TCB in TN]

My own personal experience is when you move up the line, the more professional and courteous the officer is. While I've been treated poorly from town police before, every run in with the state police I've had has been just fine. Thats not to say that there aren't some great guys on the towns department or that the state guy won't give you a ticket, but I'd always rather be pulled over by the state police based on my experience so far.

I agree. I have only been pulled over 1 time by a THP, but it was a very pleasant experience. He was professional, pleasant, and did his job quite well. (I was speeding and deserved the ticket). I know a few other THP (plus some who are family) and have yet to meet one that did not seem to be in that same mold. The locals are another story. I know a good portion of the local SD and CPD, and while a good number are good folks, some I know are really pcs of work. I have been pulled over 2 times by locals in the last few yrs, for various stuff, (whipped out, in a 20 mph zone but I didn't speed , and my truck fit the description of something or other on another occasion). The officers in question were NOT very professional acting, with BIG attitudes.

 

[Intune]

But I did spend over an hour handcuffed while they searched my vehicle and checked all my guns.

I have never been handcuffed and REALLY don't think I would like it one bit. The back seat of the car w/cage would be bad enough but still better than cuffs.

Why did they cuff you & search your car? For not slowing down/moving over enough or the guns? Neither of these seem like a good enough reason to be held prisoner. In TN & TX all I have ever heard is, "just don't touch the gun while we're stopped."

 

[justin 561]

If your goal is to make those in power feel as safe as possible, feel free to go about your everyday business unarmed and wearing chains, and telling everyone who stops you that they may search your car and your person. It's possible.

You're missing the point, We're talking about a traffic stop, not everyday life while walking around the public. Officers who restrain you for THEIR safety. Not everyone who stops you is a LEO, not everyone HAS the right to search you. If you have nothing to worry about, why get so heated about it? Since you don't like hand cuffs, maybe LEO's should just take every ones word for it, and blindly belive what they say.

 

[Thernlund]

Officers who restrain you for THEIR safety.

I don't care about their safety any more or less than I do anyone elses. I will not be restrained unless I'm being arrested.

If you have nothing to worry about, why get so heated about it?

Ohhh... I have nothing to worry about, so trampling my rights is ok, because, ultimately, I have nothing to worry about.

Since you don't like hand cuffs, maybe LEO's should just take every ones word for it, and blindly belive what they say.

Innocent until proven guilty, bud.


-T.

 

[justin 561]

I don't care about their safety any more or less than I do anyone elses. I will not be restrained unless I'm being arrested.

Why would you NOT care about their safety? Sounds like you hate LEO's, the same ones who take those people who rob and kill off your streets? A little ungrateful don't you think?

Ohhh... I have nothing to worry about, so trampling my rights is ok, because, ultimately, I have nothing to worry about.

Which of your rights are they exactly trampling?

Innocent until proven guilty, bud.

Sorry bud, how things are now, you're guilty until proven innocent.

This is my final post on this, it has turned into more of a LEO bash than a discussion.

 

[TCB in TN]

Quote:I don't care about their safety any more or less than I do anyone elses. I will not be restrained unless I'm being arrested.

Why would you NOT care about their safety? Sounds like you hate LEO's, the same ones who take those people who rob and kill off your streets? A little ungrateful don't you think?

This was not to one of my posts but I have an issue with your comments.
So to start with, in no place did he say he didn't care about their safety. He said he didn't care about their's any more or less than anyone else. So maybe YOU can explain why LEOs deserve his concern more than any other human being.

Quote:
Ohhh... I have nothing to worry about, so trampling my rights is ok, because, ultimately, I have nothing to worry about.

Which of your rights are they exactly trampling?

Well to start with there is A LOT of debate about what goes into the probable cause that some officers use to justify their searches. Now if I was stopped for the reason stated, and then detained, cuffed, and searched merely because I was legally carrying a weapon then I might feel just a little stepped on myself.

Quote:
Innocent until proven guilty, bud.

Sorry bud, how things are now, you're guilty until proven innocent.

This is my final post on this, it has turned into more of a LEO bash than a discussion.

If you think that this is LEO bashing then it appears that you are either mistaken, or need to read what is actually being written.

 

[Cannonball888]

I have always had great experiences with officers here in Florida. I haven't gotten a ticket since I have had my carry permit either. You can't beat that!

Do you mean to say that presenting your CWP has gotten you out of tickets

 

[wyocarp]

Well, once again the emotional juices are flowing.

Yes, I did nothing more than not move over as far as the officer felt I should even though there was oncoming traffic as I passed him and that he felt I could have slowed down further than the required 20 mph and that I had guns in my vehicle and on my person.

I did not like it one bit that I was handcuffed and caged as a criminal for "his safety." Why is their safety so paramount? I wasn't causing any problems for anyone. If he wanted to be safe, let me go on my way as they did after stripping my vehicle.

Someone mentioned how much they do for us. I don't need them and don't want them. They do nothing for me. The other night was an amazing stop in my mind, but I don't even feel I should have been stopped. I was stopped because he traveled behind me at a slower than posted speed limit for about a mile while driving through a rough and narrow construction zone. If he thought I was drinking, he didn't check for it as he talked to me from the passenger side window.

My hatred for police is directly related to my very poor interactions with them. I had another stop near Rawlins once by an officer who said he thought my plates had expired before he turned on his lights but had misread them. But since I have you pulled over, may I see your license, insurance card, and registration and once again they have asserted their "authority" and violated me.

And, I'll stop this post before I get booted off another forum for my views on heavy handed police against people who are not criminals.

 

[Thernlund]

This was not to one of my posts but I have an issue with your comments.
So to start with, in no place did he say he didn't care about their safety. He said he didn't care about their's any more or less than anyone else. So maybe YOU can explain why LEOs deserve his concern more than any other human being.

...and so on.

Exactly. Thank you TCB.


-T.