Indiana to blame for Chicago's crime rate-Indy Star article

[El Kabong]

Go to indystar.com and on the top there is an article that blames Indiana's "lax" gun laws for the crime problem in Chicago. I particularly liked the line on how an AK-47 "sprayed the bullets" that murdered a 14 year old in Chicago recently. There's an editorial on the page calling for greater gun restrictions as well. Let 'em know what you think about it

On the other hand, I didn't know that we got a law passed for a lifetime permit! How do you go about getting one of those?

 

[dpesec]

well Quicksdraw,
blaming Indy about violence in Chicago is like blaming McDonalds about getting fat. Wait, we're doing that....Never mind

 

[kwelz]

Yeah because our crime rate is so high here in Indiana. It just spills over into Chicago.

 

[longeyes]

Liberty is a cancer. No doubt Illinois has pathologists working on the cure.

 

[Jeff White]

On behalf of the Illinois THR delgation, I'd like to welcome the Indiana delegation ontp Mayor Daley's scapegoat list. Last week it was all of us southern Illinois gunowners. This week it's Indiana.

Perhaps someone should inform hizzoner that cocaine and heroin are illegal in southern Illinois and in Indiana and if he did something about the drug trade, the gangs wouldn't shoot the city up when they were fighting for turf.

Jeff

 

[AZRickD]

Looks like a trend.

First it was the gun-banning violent states of Maryland and DC (not a state) blaming the RKBA-respecting and relatively peaceful Virginia.

Only logical for Chicago, swapping #1, or #2 with DC in the crime states every year to pick up the banner and ban a neighboring state. Kentucky (the SE border) is thankful that it was not picked as the whipping boy.

That's it, "The Whipping Boy Strategy."

Next, Californiat will be blaming... hmmm (Nevada, Arizona, Oregon), yeah, Arizona for its high crime rate.

But who should be NewYawk's whipping boy? Vermont, home of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, or Pennsylvania, home of the gun banner-wanna-be Gov Rendell as well as gun-banner Mayor Street? I'd bet that they would actually encourage NY to name them as their whipping boy. "We have to do something here in Pennsylvania because our guns are going across the border to all the bad people in New York."

I can see the marketing program in my mind.

Rick

 

[Turkey Creek]

Why is it when someone or group of someones can't take care of their own problems, they have to find another someone/s to blame it on? The lack of personal responsibility in this country from individual to governmental will kill us yet. :banghead:

 

[AZRickD]

Whipping Boy, I tell ya.

This'll catch on. Mark my words.

Rick

 

[mainmech48]

Isn't it funny that this "hit" piece coincides with the "1500" show? Is anyone surprised that the writer regurgitated the Kool-Ade he swallowed from the Usual Gang of Idiots without questioning or verifying a single point?

Nope. To both.

Of course, that the number one seller of guns traced to criminal activity cited in the article is in Illinois, despite the presence of all the legal restrictions that they tout as being "better", isn't considered worthy of further examination. Nor is it that virtually all of the conduct that they describe as being major factors in the traffic are already illegal under existing Indiana, Illinois and Federal statutes.

AFAIK, it's still illegal to sell a handgun in Indiana to anyone without transferring ownership through a dealer, whether they have a Handgun Permit or not. Before 1998, when the waiting period was replaced by the Brady-mandated 'phone call, private handgun sales were subject to the same legal requirements as retail dealers when it came to transfers, including (if the buyer did not hold a current handgun permit) retaining physical possession of the weapon until either being given written approval by ISP for the transfer or seven business days had elapsed since the application for transfer.

El K is right. Time to let the "Star" know that enforcement of existing laws is what's necessary, not new ones.

 

[Seven High]

Maybe if hizzoner legalized all drugs in Chicago, the gangs would not have any turf wars anymore.....Nah!

 

[El Tejon]

Time for El Tejon to come out of retirement and pen a letter to the editor.

WTH is this stuff about Illinois purchase limits???

 

[Standing Wolf]

It's always somebody else's fault with leftist extremists and small children. The difference is that most small children grow up.

 

[Maxwell]

A politicians good idea always works!
When they dont work, its obviously someone elses fault.

I wonder if Daley is ever going to do more than throw blame on someone else for his problems.

 

[progunner1957]

We's all thouroughly dangerous men here in Indiana

Yessir, you know how us bloodthirsty Hoosiers are - hell, we go up to Cheecoggie by the pickup truckload and beg the street thugs to let us shoot their enemies for them, playing our banjos and spittin' 'backer juice all the way!! That's how them city slickers in Cheecoggie can tell us Hoosiers - we all wear bib overhalls, straw hats and big 'ol boots covered with pig $h1t and we all got AK-47's

YEE-HAW!!! I cain't wait till the weekend when I git ta go up ta Cheecoggie an' shoot me some of them big city gangsters!! I got me 36 gangster ears on a coathanger a-hangin up in the front room an' I'm gonna get me some more!!!

That is funny, how that thar story came out the week of the Indy 1500 gun show - who'da thunk it??

 

[David W. Gay]

RE: Private Sales in IN.

mainmech48,

You stated:

AFAIK, it's still illegal to sell a handgun in Indiana to anyone without transferring ownership through a dealer,...

Do you (or anyone else) know which Indiana statute supports the previous statement? I can find none, and do not believe that to be the case. However, I would most definately like to know if I'm wrong.

As for why Indiana (and, as noted, southern IL) is the cause of Chicago's prob's, is because, well, somebody has to be, gosh durn-it! (Except for Chicagoans, of course).

 

[whm1974]

WTH is this stuff about Illinois purchase limits???

Or background checks on private sales.

-Bill

 

[Norton]

Let's see:

Indiana and Southern Illinois are responsible for Chicago's problem

Pennsylvannia is responsible for New Jersey's problem

Virginia and Florida are responsible for New York's problem, but not New Jersey. Does PA have a pact with VA and FL not to ship illegal guns to NJ?

VA is responsible for MD, but PA isn't? Is this a trade for PA shipping guns to NJ but not NY?

NH and VT are responsible for Boston and have therefore agreed not to export illegal guns any further south in deference to FL, PA, and VA.

I'd like to have been in on that trade agreement negotiation when they settled all of this

 

[MGKelly]

Many years ago... during the days of the original Mayor Daly I saw a sign alongside the Dan Ryan Expressway, it said:

"Some cities hate their mayor nightly; but we hate our Mayor Daly"

Seems things never change do they?

(I gotta becareful, I dating my self here... )

When I was in highschool I was a JROTC cadet (early 70's) the rifles we were issued were live M-14 rifles, and yes they were "adaptable" for select fire though the selectors were removed. With a bobby pin or a cotter key they could be "fixed" which was done on many a manuever we attended. Just had to remember to set them back when turned in afterwards! Oh, yeah, funny thing is we just didn't have school shootings then either.

Now they have a de-milled '03A3 as their issue rifle, they don't even have the .22 rifles we had on the rifle team! Of course, this is for everyones saftey...

(My daughter took JROTC when she was there (same school) thats how I found out about the "down-grade". Now she serves in Iraq driving a Humvee in convoys. .)

...And it' all because of that evil Chi Town yah know!

Just kidding. I don't blame the people of Chicago, it's them pesky politicians who are most to blame. Democracy is great, now if we could just get rid of politicians, and "most" lawyers too while were at it...

Why is the severity of the "anti"-laws proportionate to the size of the city? Why is the size of the Political BS also proportionate?
And why do they wan't to blame any one but them selves?

Chicago sent Capone to a safe house here* during his Tax Evasion trial for safe keeping (*here is: Grand Rapids, MI). Guess they felt they couldn't protect him there. Chicago's effect is felt here as much as Detriot's is and it's mostly bad from both sides. It's ironic that Chi Town politicos want's to blame the out-state areas for their troubles.

To wrap up this ramble, hang in there Illinois and Indianna were with you cause we suffer too!

 

[El Kabong]

That's how them city slickers in Cheecoggie can tell us Hoosiers - we all wear bib overhalls, straw hats and big 'ol boots covered with pig $h1t and we all got AK-47's

Have you been looking in my window?

 

[Herself]

Private Sales in Indiana

...It is perfectly legal for private citizens to sell guns to one another in Indiana, including at gun shows, and I see a few folks doing so at every Indy 1500. It requires absolutely no documentation of any kind, no more than sellin' a cord of wood or a dusty lamp from your attic, and why should it?

However, there is a Federal limit on how many/how often/etc., something about how it cannot be your main means of support, or some such thing. Cross that line and you get to see just now nice the (b)ATF(e) can be -- and don't think they're not watching!

Other than the guys selling a single gun carried in, what I see privately sold at the 1500 are A) collections and B) accumulations, the collector guns being nice and priced very dear, the accumulations being not so nice (from "okay" all the way down to "dangerous junk") and not so costly. Prices aren't out of line with those charged by the FFLs who comprse the vast majority of gun sellers and the sellers do not seem to be especially shifty.

The few would-be gangsta' and rollin' cross pale-skinhead types at the shows don't favor the private sale tables, either. Most of them have either 1) perfectly good-looking ID and carry permit documents in a name that doesn't trip any alarms on the "instant check" or 2) a friend to make a straw purchase for them, just as they would do in IL! There are some scary doods at the shows, men who try to make eye contact with that "you're meat" stare. I stare back, memorizing faces and pondering how I could take 'em out without collateral damage. It must show in my expression....

As far as I know, in Indiana you must have a valid "Permit to Carry Handgun" in order to take your handgun home that day. Not sure about long guns. Can anyone shed some light on this?


All that said, the reporter needs a good talking-to and I am just the gal to do it. Planning to write a letter today. Perhaps I can take him to the range!
Notice how he cleverly avoids addressing how it is that gun "safe" IL, Chicago especially, has a much higher crime rate than gun-totin' Indiana and Indianapolis? Gee, why is that, gangs run amok in Chi but are much more restrained in Indy? Could it be....that honest folks can't shoot back in IL? Y'think?

I haven't seen the accompanying editorial but I'm not surprised. The Star has veered consistently Left ever since the Pulliams sold it. I'm thinking about dropping my subscription and going with The Wall Street Journal. The main thing I use any newspaper for is to put down for cleaning guns and to line the cat boxes anyway!

--Herself

 

[Manedwolf]

Huh. Sounds like how MA has been blaming New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine for their gun crime problems, despite those three states having VERY LITTLE violent crime. The NH paper responded with an editorial reminding MA that violent criminals cause violent crime, and perhaps they should work a little harder on dealing with those instead of blaming their neighbor to the north.

Menino was even mumbling something about random stops of cars coming over the NH-MA border to check for illegal weapons (!)...in which case, I'd never set foot in the state again.

 

[mainmech48]

David et al: Statement came from information printed in a list of legal requirements and show rules I was given when I rented a table at a "1500" several years ago. It was distributed to all exhibitors and many attendees by the promoters at the door. Until then, I too had been under the impression that private sales of handguns were, as they are with longarms, pretty much unregulated.

It was also predicated by personal experience. On the admittedly rare occasions when I sold a handgun to a person who did not have a valid permit I insisted on transferring ownership through a licensed dealer, simply as a CMA measure. In every instance, I was informed by the dealer that I was legally bound to retain possession of the weapon until the transfer was cleared by ISP or the statutory waiting period elapsed, just as he would be. I was also told that this requirement was subject to the same non-compliance penalties should any LEO choose to visit me during the waiting period and ask to be shown the weapon in question. While this (personal visit) never actually happened, it was a sobering thought, and led directly to my adopting the policy of never selling any firearm to anyone who couldn't show me a valid handgun permit.

I qualified the statement with "ASAIK" because, while I have not personally sold any handgun to a non-permit holder in the years since 1998, I have no information that would lead me to believe that this requirement has been recinded. The process itself may have been amended, but I believe it to be highly unlikely that the transfer requirement for handguns would be eliminated.

You may, of course, do as you like. Personally, I think that the potential consequences of having a firearm with my name still on the Federal paperwork turn up in connection with a crime - legal and Karmic - ain't worth the convenience or the quick buck.

 

[longeyes]

The Elephant's in the living room and he's got gang colors on.

 

[Soap]

Chicago just gave me reason #1,525,371 to hate their city.

 

[crazed_ss]

lol.. this might sound crazy, but sometimes I like CA gun laws because we have so many of them that the Antis can never use "weak laws" as an excuse. There's shootings here, but editorials never blame the laws anymore because there's pretty much a law covering everything.

10 day waiting periods, private sales must go through FFL, approve handgun list roster, handgun safety test req'd to buy handguns, 1 handgun per month limit, "assault weapons" ban, illegal to import AW's, must register pistols when moving into state, limited ccw issuance, etc, etc, etc.

Whenever I hear someone crying about "gun violence" here, I tell them to blame the police for not doing whatever police are supposed to do. We have all these laws and restrictions and place and nothing has changed. Maybe it's time to rethink the "gun violence" strategy here and places like Illinios.