Indicative Behaviors in Youth

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There's a big difference between shooting someone with a paintball gun when you're both involved in a game of paintball and shooting someone just for the hell of it. Only the former falls under the deisgn intent of the paintball gun. The latter is a gross breach of safety rules and can constitue an illegal assault. I didn't have many gun-toys when I was growing up but I NEVER shot anyone with even a nerf gun unless they were a willing participant in a game. If I had shot my mom with a nerf gun she would have whooped me up and down the block and I would deserved it. I wouldn't say that behavior like that means someone isn't mature enough, but something is lacking (understanding of basic safety, respect for other people, etc.) that would keep me from handing them a real gun.

We need to get more kids to see toy guns for what they are, and real guns for what they are and treat each of them as such.

While this is true, both paintball guns and airsoft guns have the ability to kill or blind, especially when their target isn't wearing the basic safety gear. More people, not just kids, need to understand this.
 
I think that you all have some valuable insight, and it's good to find a common ground between all of the good advice, witch seems to be... Don't shoot anyone with a toy gun unless they are willing, and you understand the difference between your toy and your firearm. Witch is a very good piece of advice for anyone to follow.
 
^ True, however the propensity to make stupid mistakes decreases with age and maturity level.

You can come and work with me for 2 days and you might change your mind. I'm not working with teens either, but college educated professionals with several years of life between college and now for the most part.
 
Those that claim they were mature and responsible at age 13 probably haven't matured much since then, thus affecting their judgement.

Self proving... children do not mature because they are not allowed to in modern times. At age twelve my grandfather was responsible for 50 head of cattle- a full time job in 1936. The very fact he had the original farmland to hand down to his sons prove his maturity at that tender age.

At age twelve I was put on a tractor for one(1) hour a day. Child Protection Agency advised my Dad that was 'borderline' abuse.

With that observation explained let me add one other. I have seen twelve years olds completely and utterly untrustworthy. I've seen 45 years olds equally untrustworthy. Likewise I've seen fourteen years old with admirable work ethics as well as adults. I've seen adults sometimes act like what they claim twelve year olds are like. It's not a function of age but morality and morality is taught.
 
I have three kids and they have grown up around guns. My 14 yr. old son I would not completely trust alone with a firearm even though he follows the rules of shooting. My 8 yr. old son pretty much the same thing. However, I have an 11 yr. old daughter who behaves like she is 41 yrs old and would be fine alone with a firearm, go figure.
 
at risk of sounding pompous here, but the only problem with little people is big people

we did not have nerf guns nor airsoft in my boyhood days
but toys for boys meant toy guns cap pistols & such
half hour TV westerns were every other half hour, and Saturday matinees were all westerns
water squirt guns were for squirting other kids with
suction rubber tipped spring gun darts were for shooting targets with, not people
when dad finally talked mom into you having a BB gun it was understood you could "shoot your eye out", and if you ever thought about pointing it at anybody you knew dad would take it from you, and beat your butt with the dull end, and then break it in half and throw it in the garbage can
and no kid I grew up with was ever even a tiny bit confused about toy guns vs real guns

my dad (ex WWII paratrooper) never owned a gun, never was around any at home.. until I got my first two in mid-teens, gifts from parents and uncle

uncle (also ex-WWII paratrooper) had 'em all over his place, leaded barrel Thompson on the wall, display case full of shotguns

so about age 11 or 12, you got to shoot the real thing, (supervised) and you did as told, when told, and nothing else but told, because you know you would never be told twice (by either one of them, dad or uncle), one screw up is all you get, no "overs"

which meant you got your first 22 and/or shotgun in early to mid teens, and uncle would taking you hunting
which was all done by the same rules as above

our great-grand-children play with cap guns, squirt guns, nerf guns
and are not the least little bit confused about toy vs real, and there are plenty of real in the family
(kept properly stored away from childish temptations, any/all of which will be safely shown to child upon request, accompanied by all the basic "do nots")

one of the four (so far) has had shooting 101 Chipmunk 22 lessons at range with dad and grandpa
same rules my dad used on me, zero tolerance rules
and he had a lot of fun doing it, same as our three grandsons had
none of them get to play with airsoft or BB guns yet
("could put your eye out", you know)

no shortage of big people in our family who are shy about demonstrating to little people what "NO" means, but they are not ready for airsoft yet, and not yet big enough to have their butt whipped with the dull end of a BB gun

toy guns are good, too bad they don't make Mattel Fanner 50's no more

PS
lest ye think I was an abused child, getting your butt whipped was a rarity for us
because it was rarely ever required
the reason being clarity, not confusion, about what the rules were
we weren't even oft threatened with a butt whipping
probably because that would have qualified as being told twice
if/when required, it was not discussed, it was likely to happen real quick, and no explanation was required, because you knew why
mom, of course, might tell you twice, third time was usually "I am going to tell your dad if you don't stop that"
that covered it 90% of the time
5% of the time, she felt sorry for you, and didn't tell dad
5% of the time, you learned what being told once meant
and 5% of the time can be a really small number, once you learn that
repetitive punishment is the result big people not making the rules real clear to little people
little people are not stupid, they are just little versions of you
 
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I remember back as far as the fourth grade going out by myself with a .22 hunting for rabbits and squirrels. And before that it was a pellet gun, and before that a Red Ryder BB gun.

We are all individuals, some people shouldn't be trusted no matter how old they are.
 
Jon-snow are nerf guns even legal in the bay area?

Yes, but there's a 10 day waiting period, you can't have teflon coated (cop-killer) foam darts, no magazines larger than 10 darts or arrows and a 'shoulder thing that goes up' will land you in a 30 minute time-out.

our great-grand-children play with cap guns, squirt guns, nerf guns
and are not the least little bit confused about toy vs real, and there are plenty of real in the family
(kept properly stored away from childish temptations, any/all of which will be safely shown to child upon request, accompanied by all the basic "do nots")

This is the key. Start at an early age and make sure kids know guns are NOT toys, that they understand the 4 rules and that guns are not a source of wonder and curiosity.
 
Let's not confuse the ability to act responsibly around guns with the ability to keep your pants zippered, or your legs together in the heat of the moment. Maturity.

It's a known fact that as a rule, a male fully matures at an older point in his life than a female. I would argue that it doesn't mean he can't handle a firearm responsibly at an early age. That age will wary from person to person depending on many factors, not the least of which is how he/she was raised.
 
would you trust the same person your handing your gun to with a grenade? basically what I am getting at is if you can't trust the person to do the right thing and not mess around then you shouldn't hand them the gun. Just don't base it off things like airsoft, as most kids and teens know the difference between a gun and an airsoft gun.
 
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