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Intentionally DON'T ccw.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jackdanson, Oct 16, 2008.

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  1. jackdanson

    jackdanson Member

    Feb 14, 2008
    Okay, I'm putting my flame suit on now. Does anyone else here intentionally NOT carry a firearm with them because of their temper? I know this sounds like a bait/troll question, but I'm serious.

    I used to carry quite a bit the time until recently. I was driving to work and accidently cut two guys in an explorer off. They started road raging, which I didn't really attempt to de-escalate at all. I ignored them for about a 1/2 mile then presented them with a one finger salute. They slammed on their brakes and started following me. At this point I didn't think "head to the police station", "call the police", or "how do I get away?". I thought "You dumb, dumb people, go ahead and follow me to work, you'll get what's coming". They eventually turned off, so it all ended well, but I haven't carried since. I'm younger (25) so maybe as I get older I'll cool down a bit, but until then I'm not going to carry anymore. From 14-20 I got in fights fairly often due to my quick temper, but grew out of it, partly because of maturity and partly because I knew I couldn't cheat serious consequences forever. I feel the chance of me spending time in jail over a questionable shooting isn't worth the chance.

    But then again, what if they HAD followed me or HAD weapons themselves? Then this could have turned out completly differently, and I may have been thankful I was carrying. ahh, I'm conflicted. Sorry for the rant, anyone have any relevant experience/ideas?
  2. qajaq59

    qajaq59 Member

    Dec 7, 2005
    S. C. Florida
    I'd say your decision NOT to carry, for now at least, is a darn good one.

    I'll be interested to see how this thread goes though.

    RONSTAR Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Ummm whos making the popcorn.
  4. Hoplophile

    Hoplophile Member

    Dec 23, 2007
    I think that's a very responsible choice.
  5. Corporal K

    Corporal K member

    Sep 24, 2007
    No, but a couple of my friends have stopped carrying for exactly that reason.
    When you're carrying, it is your DUTY to de-escalate or at least not escalate or antagonize.
    Packing when you can't control your temper will land you in prison, the morgue, or broke (from a lawsuit).

    Good call on not carrying, but work on your self-control.
  6. rainbowbob

    rainbowbob Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    The fact that you recognize your tendency to escalate conflict and choose NOT to carry as a response shows remarkable insight and maturity.

    Perhaps you should consider finding some form of training (e.g., martial arts?) that would teach you how to de-escalate conflict.

    You seem to have enough personal insight to know when you will be ready to resume CCW.
  7. North of 49th

    North of 49th Member

    Sep 30, 2007
    Good decision. I have to say I congratulate you on being able to make that judgment about yourself.
  8. Dgreno

    Dgreno Member

    Feb 22, 2007
    Savannah GA
    As others have said, your decision shows utmost maturity. The fact that you can recognize those traits in your self shows us that you are very wise. I agree with Rainbowbob in trying martial arts as a means of learning to control your self as well as deescalate hard situations. You, sir, are a man among men.
  9. bdickens

    bdickens Member

    May 1, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Try meditation. Meditation works wonders on one's temperament.
  10. BBQLS1

    BBQLS1 Member

    Feb 12, 2008
    IMO, you did the right thing. People have to decide if CCW is right for them. Hopefully, it'll click in your heart that getting upset isn't really what you want to do.
  11. MT GUNNY

    MT GUNNY Member

    Aug 19, 2006
    Kalispell MT
    Key word you said ACCIDENTALLY, (Crap Happens ) People cut me off all the time and I honk and through up my arms and thats it. If someone other than your self Escalates the situation to the point your life is in danger then dont hesitate to show your stuff! We all make mistakes and that dont mean you cant defend your self.
  12. The Bushmaster

    The Bushmaster Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Ava, Missouri
    Consider packing again. You are aware of the temper you have and that you need to keep it in check. If they had continued to esculate the situation and you were not armed. Where would you be now? Remember this at all times while packin'...You have the gun...You don't have to prove anything and you can afford to be a kinder gentler person because you do have the ability to destroy, but wish not to.

    I have a real bad temper and have learned to control it. Good luck with yours...
  13. markk

    markk Member

    Mar 11, 2007
    NE Florida
    If you don't trust yourself to carry, then don't.
  14. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Feb 23, 2006
    I'd work on the temper so you can carry regularly. If you end up needing it you'll REALLY need it. If your temper controls your actions you'll be doing time or be killed yourself. In the situation above you escalated things (flipping them off) which could really hurt a claim of self defense.
  15. jnyork

    jnyork Member

    Feb 19, 2008
    Arizona and Wyoming
    Most common sense decision I have read about here. A manly thing to do. Hope you can resolve your problems.
  16. Picard

    Picard Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    I also think that it's very mature of you to make the choice not to carry if you feel like you may hurt someone. Carrying a firearm is a big responsibility.
  17. csmkersh

    csmkersh Member

    Jan 26, 2004
    San Antonio TX

    No, not for my temper. I've found that I'm far less likely to be confrontational when I'm carrying.

    I do deliberately NOT CARRY when I know I'm going to be drinking alcohol. Not because alcohol causes you do do stupid things; it lowers your inhibitions and allows you to do something you wish to do but wouldn't if you were at zero percent BAC.

    Also, it's against Texas law:

  18. 2nd 41

    2nd 41 Member

    Dec 3, 2007
    I'm with you. I concealed at my place of business for 25 years. (due to being held up). But refuse to carry in my car. And nothing leaves the house. I'm cool and in control of myself. But I'm also human. I hate frkn aggressive, reckless drivers. I always say to my wife when we're driving somewhere....Glad I'm not carrying.
    BTW....good thread
  19. damien

    damien Member

    Mar 5, 2007
    Northern IL, USA
    I was kinda like that when I was 25 also. You will mellow out.
  20. crotalus01

    crotalus01 Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Memphis, TN
    I am 38, and up until about 7 years ago chose not to carry for the same reasons as you. Your temper will definitely cool as you age and realise most things arent worth the stress of getting mad over.
  21. orionengnr

    orionengnr Member

    Jan 3, 2005
    Just remember, just because you choose not to carry does not mean that the people you antagonize have made the same choice.

    Keep flipping people off and escalating the situation, and you may find yourself perforated.
  22. 230RN
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    230RN Marines raising the left-leaning Pisa tower.

    May 27, 2006
    Rehearsing conflict situations

    If I can offer a suggestion?

    Practice in your mind various situations, driving or otherwise, where something could happen, and then imagine yourself either ignoring it or deescalating it.

    I don't have much of a temper, but after all, things do happen on the road, and sometimes you're the idjit and sometimes the other guy. If the situation is right, if the other guy can see you, mouthing "Sorry" lets him figure he's won, and that he's taught you a lesson.

    A kind of apologetic wave of your hand back and forth also works, a kind of "Sorry, you're right" wave along with an apologetic head shaking. Can't describe that one in words too well, but I think you can figure it out. Just a "body language" kind of thing.

    Tailgaters? Slowly drop back behind the car in front of you, not to teach the guy behind you a lesson, but simply to allow a little more warning to him if something happens in front of you. That "1 car length per 10mph" rule becomes a few extra car lengths in front of you to make up for his only 1/4 car length per 10 mph of the guy behind you.

    Cut off? Not much you can do to lessen the danger but again, slowly allow the distance to open.

    If my arithmetic is right, at 50 MPH, dropping back 50 feet means 0.68 seconds of time lost.

    BFD. If you get cut off five times on a trip and you drop back that five car lengths each time, you've lost a whooooole biiiiig 3.4 seconds. BFD.

    After I got my carry license, I thought about it and found that "rehearsing" or "self-training" myself with a couple of situations that can and have happened in driving, in bringing something back to a store, and other potential conflict situations, helped a lot. Even though I really didn't have that much of a temper in the first place.

    Remember. Just like in firearms practice. You will revert to your training in times of stress. Just practice not getting ticked off in various rehearsal situations.

    You will revert to that training.
  23. Ghost Walker

    Ghost Walker Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    :) Jack, I rather admire you for posting that experience and your reaction.

    Let me say this: If you're mature and responsible enough to resist carrying a weapon then (Ready?) you're, also, grownup enough to carry that same weapon, too. I'm much older than you. Here's what I did the last time someone began screaming at me in public for my lousy driving. I just kept repeating to myself; 'I'm the one with the big gun.' 'I have to be more self-disciplined than the other guy.' 'I'm a Life NRA member; and, I don't want to do anything to feed the news whores on TV.' 'The other guy can get mad, and throw a fit in public; I can't!' That's how I got through the experience.

    The second time something like this happened to me; the guy began to tail me. He stayed with me for quite awhile. He must have been a local resident because the moment I turned onto the road to our police station, he quickly sped off in an opposite direction. Too late, though, because I already had his license plate; and, I gave it to the police who told me that I had done everything exactly correct. (That message was delivered while a lieutenant eyed the bulge of my G-21 under my shirt!)

    The police told me that these incidents are VERY COMMON. Our small town receives more than 50 road rage complaints each month. If you're going to carry, you need to develop an appropriate psychological response for incidents of this type. The state granted you the right to carry that pistol because you've already demonstrated that you're not as big a jerk as the next guy is likely to be. So, be a good NRA member; and, the next time some idiot does something outrageous in order to test your mettle, show him that you're made of, 'better stuff' than he is.

    Try smiling, yielding, or just giving way. Don't do what you'd really like to do and give anyone the finger - It'll only make things worse. Besides, you're already better than the other guy anyway. In my old age, whenever they start to tailgate me, I pull over at the first opportunity and let 'um race on by. If someone wants a parking space, heck, I'll give them that too.

    (Works like a charm!) ;)
  24. jakemccoy

    jakemccoy Member

    May 26, 2007
    Northern California

    You sound like a rational, reasonable, responsible, mature person. I'm glad you're a gun owner. Whether you carry or not is entirely your decision and your decision alone.

  25. Treo

    Treo member

    Nov 30, 2007
    Co. Springs
    I'm a human being as such, I am not a slave to, or the victim of, my passions. Part of carrying a weapon is the decision to deliberately exercise self control.

    My hand can niether flip the bird nor draw a gun against my will.

    This strikes me as a perfect opportunity to flex those self control muscles.
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