Interest in Sustainment training and competition

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ok, let me preface this by saying don't let this thread wander into crazy survivalism or S HTF, zombies etc

As some of you know, I host matches and training which to date has been exclusively long range precision rifle. We are thinking about a more practical class/match and I'm looking for feedback.

picture if you will, a 2 day graded event:

Participants could do it solo or in teams of 2 or 3 individuals.
Very little guidance would be given on equipment, and almost no "rules" but the intent would be "test your BOB, preparedness, sustainment gear".
Firearms content would probably be ~20% (not because it's 20% of any realistic scenario, but because it makes it a little more fun).
Participants could bring any firearm(s) they wanted (rifle, pistol, shotgun, all of the above, whatever, and no guidance on round count... bring what you would bring if you were going out)

Participants would arrive early Sat morning and hike several miles in the TN wilderness with all their gear (prob Novemberish), camp out Sat night, return Sunday evening. Along the way, they would have several stages to complete. Example:
1. make some potable water (use any method, just get it done...)
2. build a shelter
3. gather food
4. defend yourself
5. administer medical care
etc.

Perhaps something like 20 stages over 2 days?

The "defend yourself" stages would probably be like IDPA stages, where again, you can use any gun, just get it done. The food gathering might be a lot of silhouettes, rabbits, deer etc at various ranges. You might have to shoot till you get a certain weight of meat. Also food gathering might include finding edible plants, etc. Medical care could be anything from applying a tourniquet to treating an infection.

Across the stages, competitors can solve problems in many different ways, but would get more points by doing things in a manner that is more sustainable (e.g. a flint lasts longer than a box of matches and would be worth more), and faster.

prior to the event, we'd have a 1 day class. Sunday afternoon, we'd have a 2-3 hour debrief where we could all talk about what worked and what didn't work, lessons learned.


this sound interesting?
 
ya need to add land navigation

from one point to another using either lat long or grid designation
 
yeah, like i said there will be lots of stages. we were planning on a land nav stage as well.

more specifically, the question is... is this something you would be interested in?
 
fanatastic and i wish i was 20 years younger and could help plan and play.
safety is the biggie what with peoples of varying skill levels hiking and moving about with potentially loaded guns of all sorts. so, perhaps a rule of no loaded guns except at certain locations. since people will move at different speeds, no RO's on station means that trust must be high on the list for who plays. personal gps & maps as has been noted.
perhaps a large main camp where everyone checks in for the night but with lots of room to spread out as much as individuals want.
perhaps host a group dinner. though you may have food gathering as part of the exercise. lots of choices.
blue john'ies along the way or trust everyone on the sanitation aspect of a 2 day wilderness adventure?

let us know how plans firm up.
 
Robin Sage???
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is it individual performance tasks
or run as a continuous scenario (lots more time,cause you space the teams, and if one gets hung up, or they bunch up, issues)

I would set it up as lanes, say 5 stations on a set of tasks and a consistent scenario, that way if you get a bunch up, it's not as bad.

Secondly, you would have to assure that ALL entrants had the necessary skills to complete and compete, would be able to do it safely.

Would suck to have to call it so you can launch a search for Jim-Bob and Henry
then there is the onsite medical, the support staff, coordinators etc.

Depending on terrain, EVERY lane would be designed to make use of 'core' skills like land-nav, you set it up so every station is out of LOS, and they have to navigate to it, number them, give heading and number of the next station, there would be a inherent penalty if you got to the wrong point, you loose the time of having to backtrack.
 
perhaps a rule of no loaded guns except at certain locations.

absolutely. and we would have ROs

blue john'ies along the way or trust everyone on the sanitation aspect of a 2 day wilderness adventure?

heh, no. carrying 1000 rnds of ammo but didn't bring anything to wipe your butt? hmm... sounds like what we call a "learning experience"

"Robin Sage???"

nothing so grand... and although the instructor is an 18Z, it's civilian oriented, not mil

stages are team stages, but if you run as an individual, obviously, you have to do it all yourself. (thought was that friends or families might want to participate as a group)

no scenarios. no TEOTWAWKI or alien invasions etc. Just focusing on mechanics of the tasks at hand.

not worried about minimum skills. nobody's going to starve to death in 48 hrs. there's plenty of water around. cell phone coverage if they get lost. already have medical covered and support.
 
"Robin Sage???"

Not anything like the stress involved in a Robin Sage. Mental stress, not physical. Because on Robin Sage someone's almost always messing with your mind.

Robin Sage is the graduation exercise for the Special Forces Qualification Course, aka the Q Course, held in back of beyond in NC in a fictional country known as Pineland.
 
He said challenging
and the hardest thing in SF is yourself, cause all you gotta do is get out of your way and do what is needed, even if it's a bit past what YOU BELIEVE you can do...
 
Hmm, I think there was a movie just released with this theme. Oh yeah, it was called The Hunger Games, and it had the highest domestic gross opening weekend to date (The Avengers has since beaten that record). I guess survivalism isn't so fringe, after all. Who knew.
 
Congratulations on selling out the event, Zak. I'm not surprised - there are a lot of masochists out there :D.
 
taliv,

Sam Hensley teaches something like this. The intro is a one day with the intermediate being a 2 day. We ran the first one here at my place because of the mixed terrane. Without the land nav and some time limit I'm not sure there's much of a competition. When the trainees are done with Sam's intro they can handle everything on your list except defense and nav. Heck, the first class was in wet drizzly conditions early this spring and we had them building fire with wet wood and putting up shelter just to stay dry.
 
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