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New Orleans residents arming themselves

Mar 23, 2:27 PM EDT


By MARY FOSTER
Associated Press Wriiter

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.

"I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson, snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more confident."

People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.

The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up, according to the gun industry.

Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a cross-section of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers, stay-at-home moms.

"People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in Jefferson Parish.

Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006 and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006 homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the nation.

National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66 homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect high-crime neighborhoods.

In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not bringing them solid cases.

Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.

Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to protect yourself."

Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."

In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522 permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.

Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up about 38 percent overall since Katrina.

Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.

In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said ATF spokesman Austin Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.

This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many guns also are stolen from homes and cars.

While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.

Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is prepared to use deadly force.

"I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."

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Turning Hurricanes

How do we get hurricanes to target other liberal sinkholes?
Washington DC
NYC
L.A.
San Fran
Austin
Houston
Dallas
Seattle
 
The aftermath of Katrina is the most common reason a new shooter tells me why they bought their first firearm.
 
The aftermath of Katrina was the cause for my favorite gun shop to have its business quadruple for five months.

More honest citizens with guns = freedom preserved.
 
The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said ATF spokesman Austin Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.


ooh, ooh, I know what we need to reduce crime! two week waiting periods!
 
time to crime???

Well I wonder how they figured that...

I have at least two dozen guns that have NEVER been used to commit a crime... I know there are a lot more out there. Does anyone know how the "numbers" work on this?
 
I'm with you

Time to crime? I've got a High Standard .22 that was made in 1947, it'll be 60 this year.
To average 5 years to crime with another gun, its time to crime would have to be negative 50 years.
 
The "time to crime" statistic is computed using only guns that are used in a crime and subsequently recovered (and traced) by police. Guns that are never used in a crime--or that are but that police don't get their hands on--don't figure into it at all.
 
New Orleans confiscated all kinds of weapons early on

Here is a link to some old news about how they were confiscating weapons.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/32966.html

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1972662&page=1

Remember the old lady they worked over to take her weapon and force her to evacuate?

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/09/patricia-konie-video.html

Lots of folks got their guns back. The NRA came to the rescue.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl060206jbguns.4aac3cf1.html
 
Imaginos - I think most of the research has been directed at technologies to stop hurricanes, not to start them. Sorry.
 
In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522 permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
Wow, that's a huge jump. I hope all these folks realize where things went wrong and vote out those SOBs who trampled their constitutional rights.

In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said ATF spokesman Austin Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
So it's just inevitable that all guns sold find their way into criminal hands? :fire:
It was a good article with the exception of that biased paragraph.
 
Stupid Name Then

Brownie,
Thanks for the info. Sounds like the BATFE needs to pic a new D@MN name then because you get an idiot reporter (no shortage of those) making it sound 100%...
 
Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a cross-section of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers, stay-at-home moms.

"People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in Jefferson Parish.

Who says Americans don't learn from mistakes?
 
In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said ATF spokesman Austin Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
So it's just inevitable that all guns sold find their way into criminal hands?
It was a good article with the exception of that biased paragraph.

In this case I find it much more likely that the author is simply a sloppy writer. Not that it changes much.
 
"People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in Jefferson Parish.


Who says Americans don't learn from mistakes?
If they aren't going to fix the huge failures in their government by booting out the people who screwed them over, they aren't learning from anything. They are looking for a quick fix to make them feel better. What do you want to bet that in a year or two, memories will fade, many of those guns will get tucked away in a closet and half of those new CCLs won't get renewed.
 
:eek: Sitting around having a few cold ones,believe it or not alot of people were doing just that..they call it a hurricane party.As far as dangerous,probably,but so is Rio......I live in the greater NO area
 
"This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many guns also are stolen from homes and cars."

Oh, you mean that criminals get their guns via illegal means? Well, fancy that. Oh, but you're further implying that they are helped into doing so by active or passive dupes. Amazing.

Must be a pal of Bloomie and Becky Peters. Good guns just always seem to go bad:(
 
In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said ATF spokesman Austin Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.


This is even worse. The structure of the paragraph forces the casual reader to draw the false conslusion that a legally sold gun will, on average, become a crime gun in five years (6 mos in NO). That is NOT what is actually being said.

Worse still--consider what they are saying. Guns recovered from NO crimes traced back to a more recent point of origin because (my bet) everyone bought new guns in the last year.

Sorry to post again--I'm going to read some more Hukleberry Finn (better as an adult than I remember as a kid) and hid the rack.
 
Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.

Gee, I can't imagine that!!! The same system that kicked in doors and forcibly disarmed law abiding citizens might not actually protect them?
I only hope that should this happen again (Heaven forbid), people remember (not likely, considering they re-elected the ringleader) what happened before and realize the JBTs are NOT there to help them and should be dealt with as any other armed threat.
 
I'm headed down to N'awlins in a couple weeks. While my wife is on business there, I'll be at the D-Day museum, http://www.ddaymuseum.org/, and doing other leisure activities.

We'll eat at some of the great restaurants there.

And we'll be packing (as always).

I have friends who do business and visit family down there often. They report that, like in any city, so long as you stay in the tourist/better areas, you'll likely have no problems. It was that way before the hurricane, and it is still the same.
 
This is even worse. The structure of the paragraph forces the casual reader to draw the false conslusion that a legally sold gun will, on average, become a crime gun in five years (6 mos in NO). That is NOT what is actually being said.

Worse still--consider what they are saying. Guns recovered from NO crimes traced back to a more recent point of origin because (my bet) everyone bought new guns in the last year.
Yep. The more I look at this, the more I'm starting to realize that the whole article is a subtle setup. It starts out with saying that NO residents are arming themselves more, taking classes, getting carry permits, how gun ownership doubled. All good things. Then they stick that one paragraph at the end, quoting the ATF and drawing a line right from every legal purchase directly to crime.

Even those last two sentences might be scary to someone "on the fence" about gun ownership.

Notice how all the potentially anti-gun biased parts are at the end, leaving them as the last thoughts.

Never trust AP or Reuters to put gun ownership in any positive light.
 
Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.

"I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson, snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more confident."

People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.

Several points.
This is one of those 'feel good' ideas. It would be much better for 64 year old Vivian to just move. Having a generator means she needs gas, which if she needs it, won't be available. Her owning the 'cutest' revolver, with zero training and probably only a handfull of cartridges is just something to alter her perception of the situation, not the reality of it.

If you are not a drug dealer fighting for turf, or a resident of the area that these drug related murders are taking place, NO is perfectly safe. The entire metropolitan area is not engulfed in violence.

Typical media silliness and hype
 
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