Iraqi army to adopt m-16

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Military.com | By Christian Lowe | February 27, 2008

In a move that could be the most enduring imprint of U.S. influence in the Arab world, American military officials in Baghdad have begun a crash program to outfit the entire Iraqi army with M-16 rifles.

The initiative marks a sharp break for a culture steeped in the traditions of the Soviet-era AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle, a symbol of revolutionary zeal and third-world simplicity that is ubiquitous among the militaries of the Middle East.

"We in the U.S. know that the M-16 is superior to the AK ... it's more durable," said Army Col. Stephen Scott, who's in charge of helping the Iraqi army get all the equipment it needs to outfit its forces.

"The Iraqis have embraced that ... and the fact that it is U.S. manufactured and supplied. They are very big on U.S.-produced [foreign military sales] materials," he said in an interview with military bloggers this month.

So far, the U.S. military has helped the Iraqi army purchase 43,000 rifles - a mix of full-stock M-16A2s and compact M-4 carbines. Another 50,000 rifles are currently on order, and the objective is to outfit the entire Iraqi army with 165,000 American rifles in a one-for-one replacement of the AK-47.

"Our goal is to give every Iraqi soldier an M-16A2 or an M-4," Scott said. "And as the Iraqi army grows, we will adjust."

Scott added the mass of AK-47s from various manufacturers floating through the Iraqi army's inventory could cause maintenance and reliability problems. Getting both U.S. and Iraqi forces on the same page when it comes to basic weaponry is part of the argument for M-16 outfitting.

"I'm also a fan of AKs," Scott said. "But keep in mind most of these AKs have been sitting around in bunkers or whatnot for 30 or 40 years [and] are in various stages of disrepair."

A variety of U.S. troops, including SEALs, Marines and Soldiers - and even civilian contractors - are training Iraqis on the M-16 and M-4 throughout the country. One civilian trainer told Military.com during a brief interview in Iraq that the Iraqi soldiers are a little behind the average American trooper when it comes to learning the various parts and breakdown of the M-16, but they're enthusiastic and quick learners on the range.

After seeing some of the firing range training himself, Scott added that he "asked the Iraqis how they liked the weapon and they said it was far superior, it was more accurate ... and more reliable."

"I think the transition is almost transparent from those older AKs," he said.

A system that registers each rifle with the individual who receives it using biometric data such as thumb prints and eye scans is meant to address concerns over U.S. weapons winding up in enemy hands. A July 2007 Government Accountability Office report concluded that as many as 190,000 weapons delivered to the Iraqi army were not accounted for and could've wound up in terrorist caches.

That's something Scott isn't going to allow on his watch.

"These Iraqi soldiers know that this weapon becomes part of their person," he said. "And they also know that they are responsible and accountable for that weapon."

And from the looks of it, Iraqi soldiers aren't willing to hand them over to the bad guys.

"Most of the soldiers think they will be just like the Americans, and that is making them very happy," said Capt. Rafaat Mejal Ahmed, the Iraqi 1st Division weapons and ammunition officer, in a Marine Corps release. "They think the modern technology will make them more powerful."

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Interesting.
 
A good move but way early. I can see them moving to the M16 in a decade or so, once more important issues get addressed and they become a more mature and capable military. But right now they need to get their soldiers to show up for muster, stop tribal infighting, and restore infrastructure like electricity and running water. Giving fancy toys to soldiers who don't know how to take care of them is a bad move. Train them to be high speed and mature, then let them graduate to the M16.
 
From what I saw last week, the AK 47 I handled had been made in Yugoslavia. It was one that was suppplied to the Iraqi Army. Excellent condition and I want to say it has the same factory stamp markings (CZ) as my interarms bolt rifle.
Another unsaid item is we control the M16 ammo resupply, no grabbing extra ammo. We have discussed who will be the first GI shot by one of these new M16 rifles. Sad but their is a lot of distrust between the two "Allies". I am certain the Iraqis will slap themselves up the head and ask why they went away from the AK. I have witnessed AK's that were buried for years and looked in awful condition. The soldiers ensured the barrel was cleared of dirt and blasted away. Try that with an M16.
 
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Obviously some people need to boost their Colt stock values. They probably work in our U.S. Congress or in the pentagon :scrutiny:
 
From what I read, are my tax dollars a subsidy for these weapons?
If so, I guess it's just a small drop in a big bucket.
No big deal, they can just... take it outta my check!

If there are to be 165,000 new M-16s into Iraqi hands,
I would assume that there should be 165,000 (actual # probably far smaller)
Kalashnikovs going where?
 
Psssh. I'm sure within 2 weeks they'll all be qualifying expert and stop all terrorists with headshots.
Too bad we can't ignore the GCA of 68 and FOPA of 86 and import all those poor orphan AKs they dislike to good homes in the US.
 
Sounds more like we are setting up our Iraqi "allies" for failure. Those soldiers who were trained on AKs will have a hard time adjusting to maintaince of M16s.
 
Why the hell are we spending money giving the Iraqi army new weapons? What's wrong with the AK-47 ? It shoots, it doesn't jam, and an idiot could clean it. How about they use what they have?
 
The AKs are apparently old and work out. Why don't they just buy new AKs? I bet you could get AK-100 series from Izshmash for about 1/3 the price of M16s. Even the SiG 556 looks like a better option maintenance wise for troops who have never had to deal with much in the way of maintenance.

Have packed an M16 around at bit as a nice fashion accessory for my 'idiot sticks', I would not recommend it to any military force that wasn't religious about PMC.
 
It's partly a control tactic, partly a morale-booster. The Iraqis are probably aware that US troops tend to be good shots. "Must be the rifle!" Says they... when it's really the man and his training. Still, it gives confidence in the weapon.
 
I don't know how hard it is for them to learn the ins and outs of the m16's, they should have no real time lag in adapting, their not stupid, I know it only took me 2 hours to learn the use of the AK and even the G3 only took an hour long class to learn. They should have it down in a day or two I just hope they get enough cleaning supplies.
I don't want to start the M16 verse the Ak debate again but their are a lot of other countries that use the M16's for their S.F. org.'s.
 
I don't like anything about this whole ordeal.

Especially this part: MY GOVERNMENT, the for the people by the people one, is most likely going to tell me in one year that I can't purchase, with my hard-earned money which will help our economy, a civilian semi-auto version of a weapon which we are giving 165,000 of to the Iraqi army for FREE?!?!?!

:cuss::fire::banghead:

This is a kid watching his mother give his dessert to the dog.
 
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AR more reliable then an AK? Hmmm that may be a sttreeeetch

yea, most of the AK-s they are using are, as the aritcle stated, 30-40 years old and have been operating in a sand filled enviroment. the AK is an exceptionally reliable weapon, but even it has it's breaking points.

my question is are they going to handle the extra attention to detail that the M-16's are going to require, the AK can stand against sand for a while, the M-16 is wayyy to tempermental, IMHO anyway.
 
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hey, im all for it. ud be suprised how far this country has come in the last year. those iraqis are doing alot of jobs that we were running 6 months ago, and our routes are safer. if u saw some of the weapons these guys were lugging around, i think u might change ur mind as well.

as for the US wasting the money...u have no idea. when it seems every co or e8 in this country is cruising around in a brand new pickup truck on base (this might be a slight exageration), 165,000 weapons (most of which im sure will be old m2's that have been in inventory for years) isnt that big of a deal.

there is alot of waste over here, but i dont see giving our allies an effective means to help us complete missions being a problem to me. hell, i wish we could get them some new crew served weapons on the bridges they protect as well. it might not seem like it, but in the time ive been over here the iraqi army and police have made some big steps to making this a safer country for american forces as well as their own ppl.

i also think that, at least the iraqis we deal with, take better care of their weapons then most of the US troops that dont leave the FOBs.

ppl need to get over the ak vs ar platform war and just be happy that our allies will have a better way to defend themselves and keep us all safer over here.
 
"Good, good, maybe next they'll swap MREs for Happy Meals. "


Hahaha.....good one.

..IMHO standardizing the AKs they have & buy would make more sense....fro them. For the HAWKS in DC with their COLT stox it makes more sense this way....... :puke: bigotry.
 
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