Irrational Dislike

[cdb1]

I’ve stated before I dislike the .308 Winchester cartridge. I have no rational reason to dislike it but I don’t. I mean I really dislike like it. What makes it more confusing is I like .243 Winchester, .260 Remington, 7mm-08 and .338 Federal.

 

[LoonWulf]

I feel the same about the .308, for the same nonreason. .270 also....well....all .277s

I dislike and like all kindsa stuff, but my like and dislike for cartridges (and whole calibers), is more irrational than usual.

 

[Llama Bob]

Eh, .308 runs well in gas guns. And of the 4 big NA general purpose hunting cartridges (.308, .270, .30-06 and 7mm Mag) the newbies who buy the .308s and .270s probably end up happier than their friends who buy the .30-06s and 7mags. They're all much happier than the poor sap who buys a .300WM. Most people underestimate how much they'll dislike weight and recoil and overestimate how much they need horsepower. So the .308 has probably accidentally made a lot of western hunters reasonably happy.

 

[Llama Bob]

.270 was crippled by picking the wrong twist rate. Who looked between the 6.5 Mauser at slightly faster than 1:8" and the 7mm Mauser at slightly faster than 1:9" and somehow found 1:10"? Brilliant! And then they missed the chance to fix it with the .270 WSM. Winchester, Remington, and Savage should NEVER be allowed to pick a twist rate

See, I have a reason to dislike it!

 

[LoonWulf]

.270 was crippled by picking the wrong twist rate. Who looked between the 6.5 Mauser at slightly faster than 1:8" and the 7mm Mauser at slightly faster than 1:9" and somehow found 1:10"? Brilliant! And then they missed the chance to fix it with the .270 WSM. Winchester, Remington, and Savage should NEVER be allowed to pick a twist rate

See, I have a reason to dislike it!

Agreed, but even before i had a clue as to why twist rate mattered id already developed a dislike for the round lol.

 

[Llama Bob]

Agreed, but even before i had a clue as to why twist rate mattered id already developed a dislike for the round lol.

The funny thing is if they had just made the .270 WSM 1:9", bullets would have come out and them people would have offered 1:9" .270s and the whole thing would have quietly cleared itself up just like the .308 twist rate issue has. But no...

If they'd done that, a .270 WSM would flat out obsolete my fancypants .264WM.

 

[cdb1]

I love the .270. Of course the first rifle I bought was a .270 and that was many many years before I too became aware of twist rates. And now twist rate is of vital importance to me. Most of the rifles I want now I can’t get in a factory rifle because the twist is too slow. A short list would be:
22-250
.243
.270 WSM

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I literally feel the same way about 308 and it's offspring.

Maybe if I get a semi-auto 308 it will change my mind

 

[WestKentucky]

For me it’s 7 mag. I despise it. But I want a .277 weatherby... I also love my 6.8spc. I thought .204 Ruger was the “most dumberer” thing ever until I heard about 20 practical and now I’m set on building a second precision upper for my fixed stock rifle lower which currently stays mated to the 6.8 upper which I love so well. I also hate 40sw and love 10mmauto

 

[adcoch1]

I can't stand the 270, and it is for no rational reason. I can logically recommend them to people (although i always give a good argument for 7mm-08 while doing so) but I can't come to liking them. Guess I just like the old 30-06 and it's reloading flexibility, not enough good bullets for the 270... I know, lame argument since there are a few very good bullets for 270.

 

[someguy2800]

I don't like anything with weatherby in the name. Also hate everything win mag except 338. I like 270 alot. I don't like 243 or 7mm-08, which makes no since because I do like 260, 308, 338 fed, and 358 winchester. I really don't like 22-250. I have hated 6.5 grendel since the first time I saw one but I have come around to see the value on that one, but only in an AR15. I wouldn't cross the street to pick up a 6.5 grendel bolt rifle off the sidewalk. I also don't like people that tuck in T shirts, yellow houses, or people who leave there wipers in the middle of the windshield.

 

[someguy2800]

I can't stand the 270, and it is for no rational reason. I can logically recommend them to people (although i always give a good argument for 7mm-08 while doing so) but I can't come to liking them. Guess I just like the old 30-06 and it's reloading flexibility, not enough good bullets for the 270... I know, lame argument since there are a few very good bullets for 270.

Funny thing I often recommend 243 for people looking for long range varmint guns, especially when factory ammo is on the budget, but I don't like them and won't buy one. I shot a deer with one once and it worked fine but I still don't consider it a good deer rifle either.

 

[Goosey]

.270 was crippled by picking the wrong twist rate. Who looked between the 6.5 Mauser at slightly faster than 1:8" and the 7mm Mauser at slightly faster than 1:9" and somehow found 1:10"? Brilliant! And then they missed the chance to fix it with the .270 WSM. Winchester, Remington, and Savage should NEVER be allowed to pick a twist rate

See, I have a reason to dislike it!

6.5 and some of its friends got lucky because as military calibers they started off with long round-nosed bullets with SD of .300+ and therefore fast twist standardized from the start.

.270 started off with a 130 gr spitzer, before rangefinders and modern optics, not to mention increasing popularity of long-distance shooting, consumers didn't desire such fast twists for a hunting rifle anyways.

Still using the Hornady ELD-X factory loads the standard .270 beats the trendy 6.5 Creedmoor in energy, velocity and drop at 1000 yards, and has only 1" greater wind drift.

 

[someguy2800]

You can tell people's biases based off where they are from and what they do with rifles. For instance I live in woods country and don't hunt at long range except for varmints so I dislike all overbore high velocity rounds for hunting. For me the ballistics between a 264 win mag or 300 win mag and a 270 or 30-06 are totally inconsequential so I prefer the more pedestrian and common stuff because they just make life simpler. For me all the magnums are just wasteful of powder, require expensive brass, and produce alot of recoil and blast for the amount of energy coming out the end while offering no advantage over the ubiquitous 270's and aught six's.

 

[cdb1]

Just between us girls I also don’t like 7mm Rem Mag, didn’t like 22-250 for years but now do, don’t understand why Creedmoor is constantly misspelled, believe it is important to use caliber, cartridge, magazine and clip in the right context and don’t know why loose is used so often when it should be lose. And if we are being honest I could get by with my .270, purchased in 1973, for 90% of the hunting I do.

 

[cdb1]

I literally feel the same way about 308 and it's offspring.

Maybe if I get a semi-auto 308 it will change my mind

I was talking bolt action rifles, should have been more specific. I certainly wouldn’t turn down an AR in .308 if one were offered to me. Of course I’d re-barrel it to 7mm-08 or 6.5 Creedmoor as soon as funds were available.

 

[LoonWulf]

understand why Creedmoor is constantly misspelled, believe it is important to use caliber, cartridge, magazine and clip in the right context

Hey bro, those are like, loose definitions roit?


And i resemble that last remark....i was thinking id get my ears guaged with a couple .458 shells.


Did i say that with a straight face?....again much like cartridge dislikes i got no real issues with any if it, as long as it makes ya happy.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

Eh, .308 runs well in gas guns. And of the 4 big NA general purpose hunting cartridges (.308, .270, .30-06 and 7mm Mag) the newbies who buy the .308s and .270s probably end up happier than their friends who buy the .30-06s and 7mags. They're all much happier than the poor sap who buys a .300WM. Most people underestimate how much they'll dislike weight and recoil and overestimate how much they need horsepower. So the .308 has probably accidentally made a lot of western hunters reasonably happy.

"If all 270 loads but the 130 grain, and all 30-06 loads but the 180 grain were to be discontinued, we would not be terribly inconvenienced." - Jack O'Conner.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

I have an irrational dislike for the 308 as well. Intellectually, I know that it's nearly identical to a 30-06 in a more efficient action, but for some reason it feels like a fake poser version of the '06.

I would never take a 308 over a 30-06, and for 90% of situations, I wouldn't take a 30-06 over a 270.

 

[stringnut]

Another here that doesn't like the 7mm mag in any form. Doesn't matter Remington, Weatherby short action or any of the Wildcats. No idea why. What's really strange is I have had a 7x57 and think the 280 and 280 AI are great.

 

[cdb1]

Hey bro, those are like, loose definitions roit?


And i resemble that last remark....i was thinking id get my ears guaged with a couple .458 shells.


Did i say that with a straight face?....again much like cartridge dislikes i got no real issues with any if it, as long as it makes ya happy.

I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it, I just wonder.

 

[Picher]

I would never take a 308 over a 30-06, and for 90% of situations, I wouldn't take a 30-06 over a 270.

The .308 Win is a baby .30-06 for those folks who think they need a semi-auto or pump to hunt deer. The .30-06 is a great round for eastern deer hunting and I've used it effectively. However, the .270 Win has a flatter trajectory, using 130 grain pointed soft points, etc., so holdover out to 350 yards is minimal, depending on sighting-in by the "rule of 3's, which I adhere to for the quick shots I need down an abandoned county road, where deer present a quick shot as they walk across at various ranges. I adopted the .270 when my .22-250 was banned from turkey shoots because it won too often. I loaded 90 grain Sierra spitzers for those matches and it won, but not as much. It proved perfect for my deer stand, however.

 

[bikerdoc]

Not so much irrational as I just like 30 06 and never tried anything else.

 

[GBExpat]

Anything Thompson Contender ...

 

[bikerdoc]

Under the heading of irrational I truly despise the 7.62 x54R. Not sure why but my dislike is truly irrational.