Is a carbon 15 a Ar15?
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45B@cav
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For all intents and purposes, yes it's an AR.
oldFred
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It's is a superlight AR guy! Congrats on the GREAT PURCHASE!! Hope you paid less than $1999 for it! 
Animal Mother
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My uncle has one of those, its a nice rifle, really lightweight. There is a big difference in felt recoil compared to a standard AR-15 due to the light weight the trade off being that its a lot more comfortable to carry for an extended time. Technically, an AR-15 would only be those rifles manufactured by Armalite or Colt, but the term has entered common usage to refer to any AR-15 patterned rifle of which the Carbon-15 is.
Runningman
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This is an example of why, when I used to work part time in a gun shop in the 90s I was very careful to only use the words AR when referencing a non Colt AR platform.
No a Carbon 15 is not an AR-15. By law AR-15 and AR15 are legally registered trade marks by Colt in reference to their semi auto AR platforms. Unfortunately many people on the Internet these days seem to think AR-15 is a generic item for any manufacture of AR type platforms. It is not.
Calling a NON Colt AR a AR-15 is like calling all 4 door sedans from any manufacture a Camry. You certainly would not post an add for sale of a Chevy Malibu and call it a Camry in the ad and not expect issues of misrepresenting a car.
No a Carbon 15 is not an AR-15. By law AR-15 and AR15 are legally registered trade marks by Colt in reference to their semi auto AR platforms. Unfortunately many people on the Internet these days seem to think AR-15 is a generic item for any manufacture of AR type platforms. It is not.
Calling a NON Colt AR a AR-15 is like calling all 4 door sedans from any manufacture a Camry. You certainly would not post an add for sale of a Chevy Malibu and call it a Camry in the ad and not expect issues of misrepresenting a car.
If it is this one-
it is a C15M4. I've had mine for a couple of years, it is my patrol rifle. I've never had a bit of trouble with it and it uses all the same parts as any other "AR-15". Mine has a Timney trigger, YHM floating forearm and mini gas block, a LeVang compensator, and a few other goodies. It is very, very accurate, light weight, and reliable.
You need to post some pics and show it off. If you don't mind my asking, what did you give for it?
it is a C15M4. I've had mine for a couple of years, it is my patrol rifle. I've never had a bit of trouble with it and it uses all the same parts as any other "AR-15". Mine has a Timney trigger, YHM floating forearm and mini gas block, a LeVang compensator, and a few other goodies. It is very, very accurate, light weight, and reliable.
You need to post some pics and show it off. If you don't mind my asking, what did you give for it?
Ed Ames
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No, it's like calling an electromechanically chilled food storage case a refrigerator, a computer a PC, or a facial tissue a kleenex.
FlyinBryan
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lol @ ed
That's not mine, that's a pic off the Bushmaster website, mine doesn't look like that anymore. Anyway, the MSRP is $1190, and the ammo is
$180 + S&H on ammuntiontogo.com (which is incredible, I paid $129 a few months ago), plus you got the other accessories, so, in this day and age you probably did okay. Besides, if you're happy with it that's all that counts.
Don't forget like calling a plastic to cover you food Saran Wrap and the box you use to tape tv shows TiVo. A license copywright or not... they are essentially the same rifle and therefore all Ar-15. However, I am not certain.. but I do believe do to the nature of the materials there are some components that are not interchangable and a few changes in design with the carbon model and other AR.
My question is.. are the Bushmaster version of the Carbon models now made reliably? Who has one? How much have you shot it?
My question is.. are the Bushmaster version of the Carbon models now made reliably? Who has one? How much have you shot it?
FlyinBryan
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in my opinion it is.
to me it has to have a few things to be an ar15.
pretty much all the important stuff that stoner borrowed from the ww2 era johnson automatic rifle.
the inline buffer tube system that contains the buffer spring, the splitting upper and lower receivers, the lowered bore axis with elevated sights, the bolt carrier containing the rotating bolt, and all that good stuff.
to me a carbon 15 is an ar.
to me it has to have a few things to be an ar15.
pretty much all the important stuff that stoner borrowed from the ww2 era johnson automatic rifle.
the inline buffer tube system that contains the buffer spring, the splitting upper and lower receivers, the lowered bore axis with elevated sights, the bolt carrier containing the rotating bolt, and all that good stuff.
to me a carbon 15 is an ar.
gvnwst
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So, can you use regular uppers and lowers of the carbon 15 uppers and lowers?
The old Professional Ordnance Carbon-15 had different dimension on the bolt carrier length and other things but when they went out of business and were bought up by Bushy it was redesigned to be just like a regular AR solving all of the issues.
I have had the Bushmaster Carbon-15 carbine for a couple years now and it is just like a regular semi auto M4/AR15 as far as i can tell and has been 100% reliable since day one.Its my go to HD & recreation gun and would be a dream to carry at only 5 1/2 lbs.I have never needed a forward assist because the bolt moves so smooth inside the carbon receiver.
The bolt & carrier, and upper/lower are compatible with all of my aluminum AR's including a Rock River, CMMG,and another Bushmaster.
According to Wikipedia "Early in 2009 Bushmaster, the primary manufacturer of Carbon-15 pistols/rifles, has begun to include the ejection port dust cover and forward assist in their Carbon-15 M4 rifles."
I have had the Bushmaster Carbon-15 carbine for a couple years now and it is just like a regular semi auto M4/AR15 as far as i can tell and has been 100% reliable since day one.Its my go to HD & recreation gun and would be a dream to carry at only 5 1/2 lbs.I have never needed a forward assist because the bolt moves so smooth inside the carbon receiver.
The bolt & carrier, and upper/lower are compatible with all of my aluminum AR's including a Rock River, CMMG,and another Bushmaster.
According to Wikipedia "Early in 2009 Bushmaster, the primary manufacturer of Carbon-15 pistols/rifles, has begun to include the ejection port dust cover and forward assist in their Carbon-15 M4 rifles."
I think the name AR-15 is long over its copyright (1959) if in fact it is not a public domain from the government contract (originally the first M-16 model was simply called AR-15, it didnt have a forward assist which the M-16A1 later included). Colts copyrights are under specific models names, not generic rifle names covering an entire design such as the AR-15 rifle system.
After all Armalite sold the rights to Colt way back when but sells Ar-15s now. Bushmaster has been selling them for over 30 years. The subject of the copyright suit was over the military designation M-4 which is a public domain, and cannot be copyrighted. Colt lost that suit hands down and had to pay for Bushmasters legal defence for the lawsuit in turn.
Specific companies use specific names for their exact product that they sell, not AR-15, etc. (Examples, sr556,mr556, A-15, R-15, xm15e2s, etc....). These companies can use for specific model or designs the name M-4, etc (public domain) although some companies choose to use different variations such as AP-4, etc
After all Armalite sold the rights to Colt way back when but sells Ar-15s now. Bushmaster has been selling them for over 30 years. The subject of the copyright suit was over the military designation M-4 which is a public domain, and cannot be copyrighted. Colt lost that suit hands down and had to pay for Bushmasters legal defence for the lawsuit in turn.
Specific companies use specific names for their exact product that they sell, not AR-15, etc. (Examples, sr556,mr556, A-15, R-15, xm15e2s, etc....). These companies can use for specific model or designs the name M-4, etc (public domain) although some companies choose to use different variations such as AP-4, etc
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