Next time a gun show rolls into time, if you happen to go, check out "Rays Holsters", he is also on the net, same name just add the www's in the beginning and .com to the end. Just ask old Ray how long it takes to draw out of a fanny pak. It's like when Ali said when asked how fast he was, "want to see it again". Ray knew what I was doing for a living and said what I sell is for professionals",most of Rays customers are life long, and what I like about him is he will customise any holster for you, showing me a pak, as I buy most of my stuff from Ray , he has great holsters, I usually save 30-50% off of holsters that are elsware overpriced. I have Galco, Desantis, Bianci ,etc. When used properlly, the way Ray designed them,fanny pak's are very fast to open , pulling with the let hand, exposing the weapon and removing it with the right hand. It takes as long to draw from a normal holster. Granted yo need both hands, and it's done in one motion, but when you are limited by heat as to what you can use on a daily basis, it's the only way to go, comfortablly. I'm just turning 60, and with a bad back it's the only way to go for me. Now at night I usually go with a jackass leather shoulder rig, or a Don hume, or galco Jak 202. Which are just a leather loop, that your belt goes over. That with a shirt left open with a tee shirt under when using the shoulder rig. But if you work where it's hot you really don't have much of a choice. As the gent a couple of posts mentioned, the black glover leather man bags are used also ,although collecting a couple of those also,"in the box",I never felt comfortable being sepersted from the weapon, like having it in seperate container. By the way I just looked at his site, the shoulder rig he sells fot $65 at the shows, are leather, with twin mag holders, and velcro tie downs, that's less than half of what others charge for the same thing