Is a new Remington 700 safe to buy?
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robertbartsc
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The CNBC piece says that the new M700 rifles are sold in two versions, I beleive. One has the old Walker trigger identifiable as the one with a groved trigger, and the other has the new X-Mark Pro that has a non-groved trigger.
...not really sure why they are continuing to sell the Walker trigger, if that is true, but I would assume it is related to having to defend a decision to discontinue the Walker trigger in court where a plantiff lawyer might say, "See the Walker was so dangerous it was replaced with the X-Mark Pro that does not have discharge issues...."
...not really sure why they are continuing to sell the Walker trigger, if that is true, but I would assume it is related to having to defend a decision to discontinue the Walker trigger in court where a plantiff lawyer might say, "See the Walker was so dangerous it was replaced with the X-Mark Pro that does not have discharge issues...."
robartbartsc said:
Could be a lot of reasons. Maybe they have a lot of them warehoused. Maybe some people prefer them. I doubt it is for some sort of legal smokescreen as Remington could replace all triggers and say it was done because the X-mark is a newer, better trigger and is adjustable. I don't recall Savage having to justify switching to accu-triggers.
Arkansas Paul
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Great link in post #30.
I would suspect that it's accurate.
If I find a good deal on one, I'd buy it. That's just me. Follow rule #1 and you won't hurt anyone, that's for sure.
I would suspect that it's accurate.
If I find a good deal on one, I'd buy it. That's just me. Follow rule #1 and you won't hurt anyone, that's for sure.
essayons21
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Re: Supposed "Military" failures
The fact that so many mistakenly believe the footage shown repeatedly in the CNBC piece was a member of the military is not accidental. The entire piece was intentionally conflationary.
The segment showing a guy in BDU's firing a M700 by touching the bolt handle was not a member of the military, it was a local PD SWAT team (Portland, Maine), as mentioned once in the report before they went on to conflate that footage with a statement from USMC sniper school on a problem they were having with their schoolhouse M40s. From my experience in the military, schoolhouse weaponry is usually some of the oldest, worn, and generally beat to hell equipment you are liable to find.
More importantly, the single largest piece of evidence presented by CNBC (the SWAT video), demonstrated a completely different failure.
The only video shown of the safety release/fire failure was of an obviously modified M700 credited to the US Border Patrol.
The US Army, the largest single user of the M700 and Walker trigger declined to comment for the piece.
Bottom line: Investigative journalism is by its very nature sensationalist. Any mechanical device when dirty, worn, or ineptly modified is prone to failure. In the case of firearms, the consequences of failure are high, therefore no responsible shooter should place blind trust in a mechanical device which is prone to failure.
EDIT: More on the failure of the Maine SWAT team's M700s. It is hard to tell from the heavily edited video clip, but it appears that the rifle does not fire when the trigger is pulled, and then fires when the bolt is tapped. My first guess to the cause of this failure is either a very poorly modified trigger, or a very dirty firing pin/firing pin channel. Not the trigger connector. A completely different failure, being trumped up as evidence of a defect in the Walker safety mechanism.
The fact that so many mistakenly believe the footage shown repeatedly in the CNBC piece was a member of the military is not accidental. The entire piece was intentionally conflationary.
The segment showing a guy in BDU's firing a M700 by touching the bolt handle was not a member of the military, it was a local PD SWAT team (Portland, Maine), as mentioned once in the report before they went on to conflate that footage with a statement from USMC sniper school on a problem they were having with their schoolhouse M40s. From my experience in the military, schoolhouse weaponry is usually some of the oldest, worn, and generally beat to hell equipment you are liable to find.
More importantly, the single largest piece of evidence presented by CNBC (the SWAT video), demonstrated a completely different failure.
The only video shown of the safety release/fire failure was of an obviously modified M700 credited to the US Border Patrol.
The US Army, the largest single user of the M700 and Walker trigger declined to comment for the piece.
Bottom line: Investigative journalism is by its very nature sensationalist. Any mechanical device when dirty, worn, or ineptly modified is prone to failure. In the case of firearms, the consequences of failure are high, therefore no responsible shooter should place blind trust in a mechanical device which is prone to failure.
EDIT: More on the failure of the Maine SWAT team's M700s. It is hard to tell from the heavily edited video clip, but it appears that the rifle does not fire when the trigger is pulled, and then fires when the bolt is tapped. My first guess to the cause of this failure is either a very poorly modified trigger, or a very dirty firing pin/firing pin channel. Not the trigger connector. A completely different failure, being trumped up as evidence of a defect in the Walker safety mechanism.
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BusMaster007
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The above opinion is excellent.
I agree.
And, I love my Remington 700's.
I agree.
And, I love my Remington 700's.
Skylerbone
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The typical sear engagement from the factory is .0014". The Walker design provides an adjustment screw to increase/decrease the amount of engagement. Adding too much induces creep, too little and it cannot do it's job.
The way this is dealt with in aftermarket is to use a combination of adjustment and replacement springs. Asking Remington to provide a reduced weight spring would be like asking all the other manufacturers to provide a decent factory trigger. Nearly all refuse due to liability If you're Remington and own 40% of the market why spend money on a change?
The way this is dealt with in aftermarket is to use a combination of adjustment and replacement springs. Asking Remington to provide a reduced weight spring would be like asking all the other manufacturers to provide a decent factory trigger. Nearly all refuse due to liability If you're Remington and own 40% of the market why spend money on a change?
Uncle Mike
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Y E S..... the 'new', as you ask, Remington Model 700 rifles are 100% safe, imo.
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