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Is it just me (transfers)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by clubsoda22, Mar 25, 2004.

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  1. clubsoda22

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    Is it just me, or do gun shops hate doing transferrs? I mean, i understand it if it's a new gun they can easily get...but a lot of these shops seem to want to discourage it even for guns they can't get.

    When I got my HK from CDNN, the local shop charged me $25, then charged me another 25 to have one of their guys go to the post office to pick it up 1 block away (USPS doesn't deliver guns, you must pick them up). $50 says to me "and don't try it again." I personally would have bought it from him if he offered me a used HK USP for $370. But he didn't have any.

    Now i'm buying an Arsenal SLR 101. And shops want to charge me massive sums of money to transfer it. when asked if they can get it, they cannot.
     
  2. Mgraff

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    Never had a problem, but I have used the same guy/ shop for years now. $10.00 flat fee for transfers, and he does it for most anyone. Great guy! Good luck finding a FFL who is as easy to get along with, once you do give them some buiness, other than transfers, goes along way towards happy relations.

    Mark
     
  3. Chipperman

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    A lot do, but some are very cool about it. Find one that will do transfers for a good fee. As a "thank you" to them, buy some ammo or accessories when the gun comes in.
     
  4. clubsoda22

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    the guy who charged me $50 for the HK transfer i had bought a new gun from less than 2 months prior. Needless to say i haven't gone back.
     
  5. DW

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    I agree...I think most don't want to do them. I mainly purchase from the local stores, but have recently started ordering via the Internet since my local dealers don't seem to stock what I want to buy. Based on my discussions with the local shops, I didn't even consider any of them for the transfers.

    I found a local guy that works out of his home and only does transfers. He is easy to work with and charges a fair price for the transfer.

    DW
     
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    I know at my old shop we didn't hate them so much, but they were a real PITA on the paperwork side. Plus there's not a whole lot of money to be made doing FFL transfers.
     
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    The local dealers in my area want a fee plus 10%. The pawn shop near my office charges a flat $40 fee, and that's the best deal I've been able to find around here.(Bangor, Maine)
    You can't really expect a stocking dealer to do transfers for ten bucks. He's got overhead, he couldn't stay in business long only making $10 on a transaction.
     
  8. AJ Dual

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    Most around here seem to dislike transfers. The going rate is $50.There's a few kitchen table FFL's left around the Milwaukee metro if you can find them that are cheaper, but like kitchen table FFL's everywhere, they're a dying breed.

    I enquired about multiple transfers from the shop closest to my home for recieving 12 inherited firearms from an estate, and the quoted rate was $50 for the first, and the "group discount" (Ha!) was $35 thereafter, which put the total at $435.

    Now it gets better, I was already running out of cash just trying to ship the stuff home, and the handguns next-day-air, per UPS regs, and couldn't afford to part out the shipments into different boxes according to thier status. I explained what I wanted to send:

    - One was a black powder Remington new Model cap and ball revolver. Not even a firearm by GCA '68 definitions or sec. 922.

    - One was a Civil War era French pinfire revolver, again, not even a "firearm" because it was over 100 years old .

    - Two "modern" cartrdige pieces, an Iver Jhonson .22 short revolver, and a Springfield Armory (the real one, run by Uncle Sam) 1875 trapdoor .45-70 rifle that were both well over 100 years old.

    - A P-17 Enfield, M1 Carbine, and one non-functional .32 european cheap "bycicle/dog revolver" that would fall under my C&R license.

    Four modern pieces that would normally require an 01 FFL to transfer, two Smith & Wesson revolvers from the 1970's, a Springfield Armory (the company) 1911, and a Browning .22 automatic rifle from the 1970s.

    No dice. The price was still $435 to read seral numbers, and fill in seven freaking lines in thier bound book for the C&R and "modern" pieces. The manager insisted he had to enter even the black powder and the 100+ y.o. stuff. (It's strange that Sportsman's Guide and CIA can send +100 y.o. Mausers straight to my door, even without my C&R 03 FFL, when they have them.) And it wasn't even as though I was "undercutting" them because all the items were inheritance. He wasn't rude, but definitely not friendly either.

    I have trouble buying the entire "Stocking distributor overhead" argument either.

    If you aren't making money by charging $20-30 for the labor of an employee to: 1. Grab a box from the incoming UPS pile. 2. Cut the box open to verify the serial number. 3. Log it in the bound book. 4. Have the customer fill out a 4473. 5. Call NICS. And finally, 6. Log it out in the bound book; you've got some serious problems. Either that, or the FFL's dedication to the "Americans With Disabilities Act" is certainly commendable, but probably not necessary since few gun stores have enough employees to fall under that portion of the law...

    Now I suppose if it's at your stereotypical "Roll your eyes and sigh heavily because you have to stop telling your best bud the Navy SEEL stories about how you were unofficially attached to the Selous Scouts in Rodesia, and go help a paying customer" pace of gunstore work, then perhaps you really are losing money at only $20-30 per transfer.

    As a capitalist, and someone who floats somewhere on the Libertarian/Right end of the political and personal philosophy map, I'm not "mad" about it, or insulted per-se. I was lucky to figure out how I was within the law to not use an FFL in my particular circumstance, Antiques and inheritance.

    I re-read the GCA '68 portions of sec. 922 and decided that between the blackpowder and 100+ yo items, the C&R items I could ship on my 03 FFL, and the clear exception made for interstate inheritance in sec. 922, and that I took posession, i.e. was "transfered ownership" entirely within Nevada, I was legal to self-ship. So screw them. I have my inheritance home with me, safe and sound.

    I guess my point is: The Internet is a reality. It's not going away. Gun List and Shotgun News is a reality, they're not going away either. One of the primary rules of business is "Adapt or Die". Unfortunately, when the gunstore dies, and there's no FFL's to perform transfers left, RKBA will die a de-facto death as well.
     
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    Note to anyone in SE PA. I just got off the phone with a guy in Aston. $25, no BS and he was glad to do it. Very polite. PM me for a name and phone number. Kitchen table type, doesn't care if it's new used or what.
     
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    he actually told you "dont try it again"????

    i'd have told him to 'go pound sand'. if i am spending my own money, i'll do it any way i please. i've been to some gun stores that think they are doing some huge massive favor and it takes them far out of their way to recieve a package and write up some paperwork.
    thats why i stopped going to gun stores and found a pawn shop that has a ffl. i pay $10 total per transfer, as many guns as i wish.
     
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    I use a guy that is very courteous, takes time to talk about the gun, will meet just about any price on a new gun (so you don't have to do a transfer), and charges a flat fee of only 20 dollars. Of course, I have also bought an AR10 from him that he had in there during one transfer pickup. I have also bought a few odds and ends. For me it is a win-win situation. If only there were more like him around these threads would vanish.

    bob
     
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    I got charged $50 once for a transfer even after seeing thier rate posted on an on-line auction site as $25. Told them, but they didn't seem to care. I WILL NOT return no matter how good the deal @ Howell's. Told them that too. Besides, I pay $5 now.
     
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    The guy I use is actually a gunsmith. He doesn't mind doing transfers.


    If you go on the "find an FFL" thing on Gunbroker I'd think you'd find guys who don't mind doing transfers (if they didn't I wouldn't think they would advertise on GB)

    http://www.gunbroker.com/user/DealerNetwork.asp
     
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    well chucks...wait till you have to pay $10.00 for a transfer on a pistol that isnt going to be yours for very long...Granted I get to play with the latest toys but after awhile it gets annoying...

    Although I cant wait for the new CZ Rami and CZ P-01 to get here...WHOOHOOOO!!!:D

    But if you do about 2 guns month this way it is livable...I just wish I could get around the permit crap...
     
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    I pay $10 for each yellow sheet (3 firearms) which is a screamin' deal.

    If $50 was the best I could do I'd get my own license and go into the transfer business.

    Stocking Dealers hate mail order. They also hate Wal-Mart and other discounters selling guns but haven't figured out what to do about it yet. Domestic manufacturers hate imported guns (unless they're doing the importing, of course.) With "friends" like these whispering in the ear of Congress, no wonder we ended up with such a fouled up system. Meanwhile the gun haters laugh down their sleeve about the $50 "tax" you're paying on a simple firearm puchase.
     
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    Oh, they can get it all right. But they know that you know how much it will cost them, and they believe the only way to stay in business is to mark up their stock more than a reasonable transfer fee.

    Shop around for another dealer!
     
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    Gun shops that give me mouth about transfers don't sell me new guns, accessories, ammunition, reloading components, more accessories, more new guns, used guns, more ammunition, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
     
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    $20 for a transfer... so far only one place in town like that. I know one place was really mad at me when I asked why they charge $50 plus a percentage of the gun's cost...
     
  19. clubsoda22

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    No, read what i said. charging $50 says to me "don't try it again".

    Today, the highest quote i got was 20%. For the rifle i'm buying that would come to $105.

    The level of cheapness some dealers display allways amazes me. one guy at a show was charging an extra $10 to do a background check. I asked him "you mean if i bought a $700 gun you'd charge me an extra $10 for a background check?" He responded affirmatively. How incredebly petty.
     
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    transfers

    The amount of paperwork issue with a transfer is a bunch of bull$h!!.You log it into your book-writing the name of where it came from-and loging it out-writing the name of where it's going- and calling in a NICS check ( about 3 minutes).I feel that being charged $25.00 is reasonable to pay for a transfer.A shop owner has to pay for the shop to be open and should welcome any kind of buisness into his shop.I buy guns from all over the country and shipping on a long gun is less than $12.00 no matter where it goes.Insurance is $1.00 per.$100.00 of value thru UPS.One thing that really ticks me off is that some shops charge to call in a NICS check.It's toll free and tahes about 3 minutes.
     
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    You know, all they are doing is filling a form out and signing it. Paper is pretty cheap and the time it takes is very short, what maybe 5-10 minutes for $10 or $20 or more. All profit! Yes, they could probably make more if they sold you the gun. But there is no overhead on a form to fill out. And they can do it when the store isn't busy.

    If I could fill out a form and mail it off for 10 or 20 bucks a pop(and five or ten minutes of my time) I wouldn't bitch about it. It would make me happy to do that all day.

    I think the hostile nature of most gun shop owners is they wish people didn't know they can buy guns for themselves over the internet. They just wish it would go away. If they are smart they will make some money off the transaction and not stick it to a would be customer.
     
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    I think i got a decent deal. $510 for the rifle, $25 for shipping from colorado, $25 transfer. So, $560 total for a brand new Arsenal SLR101. Now add $40 for a quick release scope mount, $180 for a holosight, $60 for 4 bulgarian waffle mags, $75 for 1000 rounds of wolf ammo...ok, i don't wanna think about it....at least it's over and done with and now i can have fun.
     
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    Well, it seems to me that if you pay it (however much it is), then it must be worth that much to you, so you're not getting ripped off...and if you won't pay that much, then you're not paying anything, so you're not getting ripped off.

    Either way, you win!;)
     
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    You are a New Yorker , as I am, so don't forget the costs associated with a new handgun and the shell casing collection by CoBis. For me as an FFL, thats a 3 hour round trip. If the gun comes WITH the casings ( as they are more and more, recently ), I have to ship those casings certified mail, return receipt requested. Thats the only way NYSP allows the casings to be shipped to them.
    I currently charge $15/ long gun, $ 20 per handgun, and if I have to do the shell casing shipment or drive, thats an additional $15.

    You also forget that even guys like me..that dying kitchen table breed someone mentioned..have to maintain the paperwork, pay taxes on the fees we charge, make enough monry to pay for the license renewals......plus, you would be surprised how many people have me calling all over the country to find THEM a better deal. One guy a while back had me calling all over so he could save five bucks....five BUCKS...over what my regular wholesaler could have sent the pistols for. Then he complained about every aspect of the order. So its not just a matter of some guy walking in with the information in hand, doing the transfers and maintaining the paperwork. I try to accomodate folks because I want the repeat business, but guys like that ruin it for everyone else.
     
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    3 Minutes!?

    Must be nice. Around here NICS check calls take only 3 minutes, but thats after you've waited on hold for 30-60 minutes!

    My FFL just clips his cell phone to his belt, puts he ear piece in and does other stuff while he waits ... and still only charges $20
     
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