Is it poss. to convert a Norinco Tokarev 9mm to 7.62X25??

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Been wanting a Tokarev but never seem to be able to find one. There's been one at a local gunshow last several times for a reasonable price, but it's 9mm:cuss: How hard would it be to convert?
 
All it requires is a barrel and magazine change.
I converted one of mine to 7.62x25 about two years ago, test fired it and put it in the safe. Too many guns to play with!
Your might try WWW.sksman.com for the barrel and mags.
 
Tokarev

Shop around. A while back these were available as two cailber sets. You might be able to find one.
 
chopinbloc said:
why would you want to?

Because 9mm at the range makes a generic pop, while a firebreathing 7.62x25 round makes the sort of sound that causes other people to peek wide-eyed from their booths to see what the heck it is you're firing? :)

How's the metallurgy of the Norinco, though, being that they're so cheap? Can they really be the same type of steel as the originals, being that the Soviets seemed to built most things about as durable as rocks?
 
I have never been a real fan of Chinese anything but those Norinco Tokarev and Makarov pistols are pretty damn good.
When I had my own shop I sold them both, along with the Walther copy TT-30 .22 pistols, MAK-90 forged receiver Ak varients and Norinco 1911A1 pistols,(the 1911A1 pistols I really didn't like, still don't, these things were pretty bad copies.)
I have had the opportunity to shoot several of these guns.
The Toks and Maks are accurate, reliable and made of good quality steel.
The 7.62X25 guns were truely remarkable but I never could get used to the goofy thumb safety and never could figure a really decent way to remove one and weld up the hole without distorting the frame.

My wife liked the Model 59 Makarovs so well, she ended up buying one and shooting it for a number of years before a Smith K-38 revolver caught her fancy.
 
The only catch to this is that there were some Norinco Tokarevs imported that used a different length magazine for 9mm. It was actually shorter. I don't recall if the mag well was smaller or if there was some sort of block in there to fill in the space. If your Tokarev is one of those it may not be able to take the magazine for the longer 7.62 round. I need to dig out my dad's Tokarev from my safe and look. I don't even remember if it is the dedicated 9mm model it has been so long since we shot it.

Neat guns. I wish I had bought a Polish one when they were cheap. I kept thinking there must be more out there. Not so apparently.

:banghead:

GR
 
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The magazine well does not change. The 9 mm magazine has a fill block on the inside running up the front with a correspondingly shorter follower. Or at least that's the way the dual caliber sets I've seen worked.
 
My few Chinese Toks I have messed with, the 9mm magazines had a spacer in them for more reliable functioning with the shorter round. All the 9mm mags also had a plastic finger extension for a baseplate.

I have heard there is some where the mag well is actually different but I have never seen one. I think the model 213 was made for 9x19 but mine have been able to be converted to 7.62x25 no problem generally though I usually have bad luck with Chinese Toks due to the funky safety and sometimes poor qc and I hope to get A Russian or other type instead.

I currently have one junker for parts I tried to turn in to a "buyback" they said no as the hammer would not stay cocked! And another that usually works but does not want to accept the 7.62x25 barrel of the junker:cuss:
 
I have a Nork 213 with a shorter magazine and it has a press-fit spacer in the mag well that appears to be removable without consequence.

So, I can convert, but I need both a barrel *and* a magazine.
 
I had a couple of Chinese toks in my possession at the same time. Just so cheap I had to buy the other. I worked the triggers, they were stiff new. While neither possessed anything but adequate accuracy, but neither would jam on anything, including hollow points, which beats the two 1911s I've owned. :rolleyes:

One thing, though, everything on those pistols seemed hand fitted. The slide off one wouldn't come close to fitting the other, etc for all parts, nothing interchanged except the magazines. Not sure how that would effect the conversion other than there's going to be some fitting to do, I'll bet.

I got rid of those Toks. Yeah, they functioned flawlessly. Yeah, they shot to point of aim. Yeah, they were light weight, flat, easy to carry despite all steel construction. But, I didn't like carrying them because of their single action design and oddball safety and accuracy with both of 'em in 9mm couldn't beat 4" at 25 yards no matter what I tried in 'em. I don't keep guns that don't shoot well. I sold 'em after playing with 'em a while. They'd be perfectly adequate cheap autos, I just couldn't justify keeping 'em around.
 
My first chinese tok came with both 9mm and 30 caliber barrels and no different magizines
 
The 213 won't eject unfired 7.62 rounds, the ejection port is too short. The conversion isn't as simple from 9mm to 7.65 as the other way around.
 
could'nt see why someone would'nt like the Norinco 1911a1s, i know that even today some high custom dollared 1911 gunsmiths choose to built their 1911 on Norinco's slide and frame due to the quality of steel it was built on
 
Well, I have a Romanian Tokarev with the parts to convert to 9mm, and I've installed the parts and they all fit. Generally, Tokarevs easily convert between calibers. Mine's a 5-minute parts swap. I recommend you buy a complete 7.62x25 barrel, at the very least so you can salvage the barrel link for use in a new chrome-lined barrel. You'll also need the barrel bushing or a Tokarev compensator. The good news is that 1911 barrel link pins work perfectly in the Tokarev. They drop right in, so you don't need to source one of those. They're not tight like the original, but they do fill the hole and, like a 1911, the gun's design keeps them in place once assembled. This is good because getting the original link pin out is an exercise in frustration. I have a vise, punches, etc., and I still wound up taking it to a gunsmith to have it pressed out. You can drill it out if you're careful, but it's not fun.
 
could'nt see why someone would'nt like the Norinco 1911a1s

I really want to hear the rational for saying they "were pretty bad copies." I'd also like to here what he considers a good copy if he bothers to respond.
 
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You can do it aslong as you don't have a 'short frame' but as I have never seen one, I guess most are just converted 54, so you either have a spacer magazine or a 9mm mag and spacer in the magwell
 
Just picked up a yugo Tokarev in 7.62 x 25 from Gander Mt. w/2 mags and holster for $200. Where's a good deal on ammo ?
 
I have one Tok 54 -1 with hollow poiints in my truck. I keep two other mags loaded. Oh yeah these guns are cheap and fun to shoot esp the ammo in spam can are quite affordable. The recoil isnt too bad as well. Easy follow up shots. And as to how loud it is, i dont remove my ear muff so i m not very sure. I t must be loud compared to 9 mm as most say.

As to penetration, they are known to be good penetrators.
 
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