Is the 6.8spc a dying cartridge?

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I got interested in this cartridge right from the get go. I bought a Savage 12 BVSS in .223 and gave it to my gunsmith. He ordered a larger bolt head and built me a 6.8 SPC. This was in the days when you could find brass ... but loaded ammo was just not available and no one else had a production bolt gun on the market. The rifle sports a Lyman 93 front and a Redfield Palma rear and shoots like a dream. The recoil is virtually nothing and, if I did hunt, I am confident that it would easily do the job.

I have read reports from those who do hunt with this caliber that it is a gentle shooter and a fierce killer. What more could you want?

I liked it enough to take .225 Winchester brass and reform it with my 6.8 SPC dies, neck ream and anneal ... a nice, little rimmed cartridge for one of my Martinis. It's fun to shoot as well!
 
I should also add that it would have probably been more popular if it would have been put in proper sized rifles. Instead of chambering it in the Model 7, Remington put it in the 700. Instead of a 5.5 pound rifle, it was 8. Winchester could have really had a winner if they had one in the M70 Compact Featherweight with a 18" barrel? What about a CZ 527 Carbine? I would have had one of those in a heartbeat. With the proper 1-12 twist and a SPC II chamber, a compact rifle with a 5 round capacity would be dandy in the field.
 
James,
Thanks for the heads up on the .300 BLK. I guess I have been living on a different planet as I missed that cartridge completely. My AR's are the LMT Monolithic Rail Platform. I swap out my .223 barrel for a .204 by removing two bolts. Just out of curiosity I went to the LMT website and, sure enough, they have a barrel in .300 BLK with which I can do the same. Awesome!
Sorry for the thread hijack.
 
Ruger put it in a compact rifle, apparently it didn't sell.

I'd much rather have the same size rifle chambered in .250 Savage than 6.8 SPC
 
For such a wildly popular caliber I have yet to see a gun chambered in it or the ammo either and I frequent around 10 different gunshops in the middle tn area. The same goes for the 6.5 Creedmore. I am sure if it flips your switch you can find it. Money talks.
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I don't there has been a need for a new cartridge in the last 50 years if not 100 years. I think its mostly an attempt to try and sell more firearms and make folks feel inadequate with what they own. Obviously this new super wonder cartridge will solve all your problems. I once made a thread with a poll asking folks if there was a need for any cartridges newer than 50 years ago. I said no but I was in the minority.
 
I keep telling myself that I am going to build a 6.8 AR, but I just don't have a reason to do so. Right now the gun cabinet holds 2 AR-15's one in 223 and one in 5.56, a 243, two 7.62x39s, a 270, a 30-06 and a 35 Remington. So what is the 6.8 SPC going to do that the others can't??

Jim
 
Jim,

The 6.8 compared to the 7.62 would be like comparing your .270 to .30-06 (or .30-06 to .35 Remington). It has flatter trajectory and slightly lesser recoiling with increased muzzle velocity without sacrificing penetration.
 
I keep telling myself that I am going to build a 6.8 AR, but I just don't have a reason to do so. Right now the gun cabinet holds 2 AR-15's one in 223 and one in 5.56, a 243, two 7.62x39s, a 270, a 30-06 and a 35 Remington. So what is the 6.8 SPC going to do that the others can't??

Jim
It is easier/cheaper to just build the upper for one of your current ARs then. What can it do? I guess it would depend on what you use your rifles for.

If you are hunting with it, it will give you more power down range than the .223 in a light, low-recoiling package. Hornady's factory SST load is 1862 fps/923 ft.lb at 300 yards from a 16" barrel. That isn't an argument that a .223 can't take deer, but every hunter has a cutoff somewhere as to what they consider ethical. Apples to apples hunting ammo, the 6.8 doesn't cost much more than .223 either.

If you are punching paper, there really is no reason to use anything in an AR other than .223, or even .22 LR for that matter if it is carbine distance.

For SD/LE concerns, this is a good read: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf

As for whether it will replace any of your current rifles, that is a subjective decision that the shooter would have to make. As much as I like my .270 and .25-06, I haven't found a chance to use them since getting a 6.8. Every situation is different though. There will never be only one type of car as long as we still have cars (I think someone tried that), and as long as we still shoot metallic cartridges, nobody will be able to decide on just one of those either.
 
Seems like there are lots of uppers/kits for 6.8 ARs out there. I'd consider building one if I could hunt with it....(PA)
 
"And not that it matters, I've never ran into or talked to someone that hunts with a 45colt levergun, guess it fadeing away also."

I think you need to get out and meet more people. They're out there.

Doesn't a cartridge like the 6.8 SPC have to be popular first before we can say it's fading away? :eek:


"I don't there has been a need for a new cartridge in the last 50 years if not 100 years."

You don't think the .280 Rem is an improvement over the .270? :banghead:
 
6.8 SPC dead? I'm not sure it really got started. I don't see the need for it. It is a lot better than the 5.56 or .223 though as I never bought into that cartidge. 22's are for squirrels.
 
Doesn't a cartridge like the 6.8 SPC have to be popular first before we can say it's fading away?
You answered your own question with this
I think you need to get out and meet more people. They're out there
:neener:
 
6.8 spc

I can agree with the statement, 6.8 SPC is for "hunters wanting to use the AR in the field."

BUT "You don't think the .280 Rem is an improvement over the .270?" JohnBT, you are kidding right? There is a slight bit of difference maybe if you load them hot but really not enough to buy another rifle.

Sorry but it begged to be said.
 
The 6.8 SPC was on Deadliest Warrior! It must be awesome and everyone should run out and buy it because it's new and amazing.
 
The 270 (aka 6.8) SPC was a knee-jerk reaction to a perceived
"how-do-I-get-more-mass-out-of-the-M(x)-muzzle" problem.

The more thoughtful "Systems" guys finally figured our the right
question was "...how do I get not only mass, but Energy--downrange--
from that M(x) muzzle."

The answer is the Grendel

Maybe so but this is not relevant to the original question.
 
While the 6.8 has vastly better terminal ballistics then the 223 the simple truth of it is that people just don't want to pay the extra dough, but there will always be a small group that don't mind the cost and will pay for the improved performance, so I doubt it will "die" but I don't see it setting the world on fire either.
 
Well, personally, I was never interested in AR rifles at all, due mainly to the caliber they were chambered in.

When they became available in calibers other than .22 they garnered my attention. Now my 6.8spc AR is probably my favorite rifle, I don't consider the .223 for any of my purposes.

This is merely my reason for going to 6.8spc, I'm glad it was developed and is available and in the AR platform, it just makes the most sense to me.

Is it dying? I can't answer that for the market-place, but for me, I highly regard and value it.

The .223 AR was like the P-51 Mustang with the Allison engine. When mated with the Merlin (6.8spc) it really became a performer.
 
I have several calibers and guns.

I have never had any interest in it. Nor will I unless a deal of a lifetime falls in my lap. I don't buy guns that require rare and expensive ammo.
 
Now the misinformation starts up.

First, if the 6.8 isn't needed, why bother with the .300BO or others? Same logic, they aren't needed either. Making that blanket statement just goes to show the lack of thought behind the denial.

If a cartridge isn't what you like, fine, but they get invented because some DID think it was needed, AND went out of their way to do so. 6.8SPC delivers 40% more power than 5.56, it DOES fill a need, and it can deliver. It's best application is in a 16" carbine AR15 - what it was made to do was increase delivered power in a 14.5" M4 carbine, that didn't take off. The military has other irons in the fire that can and do deliver overall improvement - like the LSAT with 40% lighter weight per round. So, as the word spread, others tried in dedicated guns and enjoyed the results. They could now take an AR15 legally hunting in there state and get good ethical results.

Fudd gunners don't shoot military rifles, so I find it redundant to hear them claim no interest in it. I do find they tend to think a store shelf is the only standard of availability. So when comments about "guns that require rare and expensive ammo" come up, I consider the source.

Since when does a retail store carry every cartridge ever made? They have limited shelf space, they restrict it to the top sellers, and if something doesn't make the cut, tough. As I pointed out, Academy DOES have it. So does Cabela's. In areas where the local gun dealer has bothered to create a demand by selling the rifles, you fine ammo on the shelf in stock. Since over 90% of the guns sold in 6.8 are AR15's, it should be no surprise that non-AR makers don't support it much. When they chamber it in loser guns like the Mini or a bolt action they never sell, don't use that as a excuse to justify it being one too.

If you read an attitude about it, then maybe it would have helped to explain - up front in the first post - why the interest? THAT WASN'T DONE, what we got was "Can you read a crystal ball and tell me I won't make a mistake using this?" Considering this isn't an AR forum, but one dedicated to a wide variety of traditional civilian guns, it goes to perspective. Ask a negative question among your friends who likely agree with you anyway, you won't get a fair and balanced point of view. Exactly what's happened here - Fudd gunners jump on with their limited view of it's use and make generalizations and outright falsehoods to support their worldview.

Rare? Expensive? As I pointed out, I pay $5 MORE for Leverevolution .30-30. That's pretty exotic ammo, it's on the shelf too. Again, goes to the limited perspective of non-AR shooters who weren't really interested in what alternative calibers are out there to begin with.

No surprise there's misinformation and a lack of interest. Basically asking the wrong people, do you stop by the local Camaro Club to question them about how good the Mustang is? And expect them to recommend it?

Just google it, read the answers, and a lot more info could be at hand, IF a more comprehensive answer is wanted: http://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...c2bf6c468f65412&ix=seb&ion=1&biw=1024&bih=515

It's been asked for years, a little research out in the world of shooting would give more information about it. It even has it's own forum. If anyone is actually looking for some honest answers.

Off to go post up "Bolt actions are a dying breed - avoid them."
 
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Is it just me, or does anyone else notice there seems to be less interest in this cartridge?

With over 1,000 views and 45 posts, I would say that there is interest in this cartridge. How much I do not know, but the single most used cartridge ever used is the 22 LR. For paper punching the 223/5.56 is more than adequate and serves it's purpose. And yes there will always be the mystique of the military rifle and our desire to have a peice of military history in our gun cabinet. For hunting we continually progress to newer and more modern rifles over time, from the muzzle loaders in the 1,700's to the lever actions of the late 1,800's to the sporterized mil rifles 30-06, 7mm & 8mm of the 20th century to today's super big bore rifles in short mag calibers there always has been a progression.

Will the 6.8 SPC be with us 50 years from now, I do not know. Then again the 30-06 has been with us for over 100 years and I would say maybe that one will fade out too. And take the 35 Remington (yes, I have one) that is not a cartrage that you find in everyone's gun cabinet.

Good luck little 6.8 SPC and may you have many more birthdays.
Jim
 
6.8SPC delivers 40% more power than 5.56, it DOES fill a need, and it can deliver. Fudd gunners don't shoot military rifles, so I find it redundant to hear them claim no interest in it.

I do find they tend to think a store shelf is the only standard of availability. Since when does a retail store carry every cartridge ever made? They have limited shelf space, they restrict it to the top sellers, and if something doesn't make the cut, tough.

When they chamber it in loser guns like the Mini or a bolt action they never sell, don't use that as a excuse to justify it being one too.

Considering this isn't an AR forum, but one dedicated to a wide variety of traditional civilian guns, it goes to perspective.

Again, goes to the limited perspective of non-AR shooters who weren't really interested in what alternative calibers are out there to begin with.

Off to go post up "Bolt actions are a dying breed - avoid them."

Why do you write with so much anger? Do you have a financial stake in the success of this round?

Excerpt 1: This is one of the reasons I am interested. Your second sentence is generalization on a grand scale. I also recommend you look up the word "redundant." You have misused it in the context of your sentence.

Excerpt 2: You perfectly illustrate the basics of macroeconomics, and you reinforce the point made by other respondents. If the 6.8spc isn't "making the cut" as it seems at some stores, then this is relevant to my concerns.

Excerpt 3: Aside from the obvious grammatical errors, your statement makes absolutely no sense.

Excerpt 4: Again, you understand why I posted in the Rifle Country forum. I was looking for a broad perspective.

Excerpts 5&6: Perhaps you are the individual with the limited perspective as you focus solely on AR platform while openly ridiculing others. While I enjoyed my training with and respect the utility and ergonomics of the M-4/M-16, I prefer a different platform. There is no reason to denigrate other weapons as you do. Your writing in this fashion suggests you are both ignorant and immature.

At any rate, I hope you relax and have a nice day today. Peace.
 
Thank-you, everyone, for your thoughts and considerations. I appreciate your insight, and I value your opinions.

-Travis
 
I won't deny that the 6.8 SPC is the best hunting cartridge from a non-hunting platform or that many 6.8 SPC fans have a major inferiority complex :). In the online world that's the annoying thing, the willingness of 6.8 fans to use the stick instead of the carrot.

But unless some arm of the military picks it up it will always be a niche gun. The irony is that the 6.8 SPC was designed for the AR platform, but that platform is it's prison at the same time. There is just no point to it being in anything else. Cartridges that can drop a deer at 300 yards with light to moderate recoil are a dime a dozen. But on the other hand what do civilians really use their AR's for? Punching paper and shooting small animals. Both of which can be done cheaper with the 223.

Just my opinion.
 
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