NWcityguy2
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Just another 6.8 fan working the stick.
Is the 6.8spc a dying cartridge?
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Just another 6.8 fan working the stick.
IMARMED45ACP
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Jus shootin da breeze
I don't know, but you are using up all the .270 brass; hahahaha jus messing-would love too shoot an 6.8SPC from an AR platform. I got an old .270 from dept stores of yesteryear, what's great about it is; it was milled in Belgium/chrome lined barrel/made in 1950/has all the original parts (buttplate, magazine spring/plate/follower, stock, swiveled studs.
Sorry got on a rant, but hey she's a beauty and I plan on using it on me, and my sons first ever hunt. I've been buying gear whenever I can, and still have alot of planning still to do; planned on getting an upland game license to start.
Well good luck~
Mike
P.S.-that brass joke, I really don't even know if it's true. Lol
Stay Safe~
Looked at the question again, and I really don't believe so-being that I subscribe to about 7-10 magazines a month-all I see is new load data, several companies making endless uppers(I'm thinking you are using an AR platform); heck you can do a 22L.R. conversion. Would love to start my AR build, well someday I will; and I'm going 7.62 x 39- yes .30 caliber up close or reach out and touch your target.
Things look good for the 6.8 spc
I don't know, but you are using up all the .270 brass; hahahaha jus messing-would love too shoot an 6.8SPC from an AR platform. I got an old .270 from dept stores of yesteryear, what's great about it is; it was milled in Belgium/chrome lined barrel/made in 1950/has all the original parts (buttplate, magazine spring/plate/follower, stock, swiveled studs.
Sorry got on a rant, but hey she's a beauty and I plan on using it on me, and my sons first ever hunt. I've been buying gear whenever I can, and still have alot of planning still to do; planned on getting an upland game license to start.
Well good luck~
Mike
P.S.-that brass joke, I really don't even know if it's true. Lol
Stay Safe~
Looked at the question again, and I really don't believe so-being that I subscribe to about 7-10 magazines a month-all I see is new load data, several companies making endless uppers(I'm thinking you are using an AR platform); heck you can do a 22L.R. conversion. Would love to start my AR build, well someday I will; and I'm going 7.62 x 39- yes .30 caliber up close or reach out and touch your target.
Things look good for the 6.8 spc
Jason_W
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True. All niches were filled several decades ago, but how boring would life be if the industry had called it good back in 1960?
Variety is the spice of life. I say, if you think a new round or a new gun is cool, go with it for that reason alone. If nothing else, it will be a conversation piece at the range.
Kachok
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It sure is hard to find something that has not been done before. Even the short mags began long ago with the 6.5 and 350 Rem mag. The 350 made for a great hard hitting carbine, and the 6.5 Rem mag can shoot just as flat as the 264 win and 270 WSM, shame it never cought on, Remington seems to have a hard time marketing their stuff. To be honest we can go further back then the 60s, back in 1925 we had the 06, 270, 35 Whelen, 6.5x55 45-70, 22LR and 7x57, can anyone here think of any hunting sutuation in North America that any of those would not be perfectly suitable for?
wally
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At $0.80-1.00+ per round, if it sells some one will continue to make it, plenty of room for profit. Heck you can still buy ammo for .38 S&W and 7.62 Nagant if you are willing to pay.
Marty183
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It's not dying. I just purchased a complete upper from a vendor off of another forum and he is cranking them out as fast as barrels can be shipped to him.
I bought it because I wanted to whitetail hunt with it and I didn't want to go after deer with a 5.56 (personal opinion, no flaming). There are a ton of guys who hunt hogs with this round as well as whitetail. A couple of my friends are getting interested in it too now that they have seen how accurate my 6.8 is.
I bought it because I wanted to whitetail hunt with it and I didn't want to go after deer with a 5.56 (personal opinion, no flaming). There are a ton of guys who hunt hogs with this round as well as whitetail. A couple of my friends are getting interested in it too now that they have seen how accurate my 6.8 is.
420Stainless
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Hope not. I got one (a 6.8 Mini) and hope to get another for my son to hunt with. Right now having a tough time finding bullets. I don't know if that's a sign of dying, or a sign of a surge. I suspect more of the later than the former.
No physical problems here. I just like the idea of lightweight compact rifles capable of taking medium game without huge recoil.
No physical problems here. I just like the idea of lightweight compact rifles capable of taking medium game without huge recoil.
According to Sierra, it's a surge. This e-mail, in response to a 6.8 user requesting info on their 110 gr ProHunter, indicates that sales are good.
420Stainless
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Good to hear that news from Sierra. My Mini loves those 110 grain Pro-hunters. I looked all over for them online with everyone, including Sierra, out of stock. Lucked into 3 boxes of them at a local Sportsman's Warehouse.
Hopefully I can get my boy one of those Ruger bolt actions before they dry up. I think it will be about a perfect cartridge and rifle to teach him how to shoot centerfire with a capable hunting round. Got 100 Accubonds to try and work up a load for whatever we get him.
Hopefully I can get my boy one of those Ruger bolt actions before they dry up. I think it will be about a perfect cartridge and rifle to teach him how to shoot centerfire with a capable hunting round. Got 100 Accubonds to try and work up a load for whatever we get him.
Flintknapper
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6.8 has "slowed down/leveled out" but is most certainly not dying!
The .45 GAP is "dying" as well some other fad cartridges, but the 6.8 will be around for quite awhile. I find it bewildering that so many folks want to compare the 6.8 to the .223/5.56 in terms of cost.
NEVER was the cartridge conceived with that possibility in mind. The 6.8 does a lot of things well, that is why it as popular as it is. Each person will need to decide for themselves whether or not they can afford to "play" with it.
Its not a plinking cartridge, it IS a good self defense round as well as an excellent hunting cartridge (with restrictions).
The .45 GAP is "dying" as well some other fad cartridges, but the 6.8 will be around for quite awhile. I find it bewildering that so many folks want to compare the 6.8 to the .223/5.56 in terms of cost.
NEVER was the cartridge conceived with that possibility in mind. The 6.8 does a lot of things well, that is why it as popular as it is. Each person will need to decide for themselves whether or not they can afford to "play" with it.
Its not a plinking cartridge, it IS a good self defense round as well as an excellent hunting cartridge (with restrictions).
sixgunner455
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Friend of mine used his 6.8 upper on his RRA lower this past year for deer and javelina, and his wife used the same rifle on her deer.
3 shots, one freezer full of meat.
It suits his purposes - a light, short, compact semiauto rifle that has absolutely slammed everything he's shot with it.
I certainly don't think it's dying. I'm thinking of getting an upper built for it myself.
3 shots, one freezer full of meat.
It suits his purposes - a light, short, compact semiauto rifle that has absolutely slammed everything he's shot with it.
I certainly don't think it's dying. I'm thinking of getting an upper built for it myself.
Flintknapper
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^^^^
It is a very pleasant round to shoot, light recoil, good energy, basically a .270 (short).
We have taken Whitetail Deer, Coyotes, Bobcats, and some hogs well over 200 lbs. with the 6.8, it performed admirably on all.
I will concede the cartridge favors the hand-loader for best selection and versatility, but even commercially loaded ammo is not lacking.
Have sales slowed? No doubt....but this one is not dying.
It is a very pleasant round to shoot, light recoil, good energy, basically a .270 (short).
We have taken Whitetail Deer, Coyotes, Bobcats, and some hogs well over 200 lbs. with the 6.8, it performed admirably on all.
I will concede the cartridge favors the hand-loader for best selection and versatility, but even commercially loaded ammo is not lacking.
Have sales slowed? No doubt....but this one is not dying.
TexasPatriot.308
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lots of fad calibers out there, but when the ShTF, .223, .308, 12 gauge, .22 lr. will be available, the 6.8, 300 blackout etc. wont be readily around. your rifle will be just a club to swing.
sixgunner455
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TP.308 - that same friend of mine has two 5.56 ARs - one is his home-defense/the world is coming to an end M4gery, and the other is a coyote setup. He has 4 uppers, 2 lowers - one lower switches between the M4gery upper and a dedicated .22LR upper, and the other switches between his heavy barreled 5.56 and his 6.8 upper.
He reloads for all of them except the .22LR, so I don't think he's really worried about finding ammo. 6.8 is just another tool in the kit for him, kind of a specialized one - it's his primary hunting rifle for anything bigger than a coyote, and he's done them in with it, too.
He reloads for all of them except the .22LR, so I don't think he's really worried about finding ammo. 6.8 is just another tool in the kit for him, kind of a specialized one - it's his primary hunting rifle for anything bigger than a coyote, and he's done them in with it, too.
When society collapses, zombies run amuck, and the Mayans return with a new calender, I will try to update this thread and concede if you are correct.
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I stand guilty as charged.
No, I don't pussyfoot around and spare any of the nuance. But the singular point is that asking if 6.8 is dying from group largely disinterested in tactical firearms is still asking Camaro owners what they think about the Mustang.
Why not ask on AR15.com, or read around on 68forums? You'll get the straight from actual shooters of AR's, not Saiga and Savage owners. <--- insert snarky grin to show I'm jerking some chains, too.
Frankly, I think some simply misinterpret my dry wit and maturity as anger. But, I did, too, until I turned 40. Now I just shovel it back.
Now, as to whether we should bother at all inventing new cartridges, no doubt those still living the days before the .276 Pedersen was invented think we are wasting our time. Personally, it wouldn't make much difference, as there are likely more than enough to go around. What we do get out of it is our era's best application, taking advantage of the lastest improvements, to make an OVERALL package.
Cartridge - centric shooters are focused on the case and bullet diameter, but tactical users and hunters are based on end results. If a KSG was the better choice for the job, then it's 12ga and move on. It's a tool, not a idol.
I like the Wiki definition:
What happens in cartridge conversations is that the idolators line up to trash the others choice, some stumblebum steps in to dispense Authoritative Truth, and then he gets splattered wrestling in the muck.
Aahhmm, I'm Infantry, I'll jump in every time. Nature of my training. xx <---- insert smilely of happy muddy pig in BDU's.
CONCLUSION: AUTHORITATIVE WORDS --> 6.8 is doing fine. Get over it.
Now, isn't that better than the grumpy old fart routine? I'm enjoying it.
I stand guilty as charged.
No, I don't pussyfoot around and spare any of the nuance. But the singular point is that asking if 6.8 is dying from group largely disinterested in tactical firearms is still asking Camaro owners what they think about the Mustang.
Why not ask on AR15.com, or read around on 68forums? You'll get the straight from actual shooters of AR's, not Saiga and Savage owners.
<--- insert snarky grin to show I'm jerking some chains, too.Frankly, I think some simply misinterpret my dry wit and maturity as anger. But, I did, too, until I turned 40. Now I just shovel it back.
Now, as to whether we should bother at all inventing new cartridges, no doubt those still living the days before the .276 Pedersen was invented think we are wasting our time. Personally, it wouldn't make much difference, as there are likely more than enough to go around. What we do get out of it is our era's best application, taking advantage of the lastest improvements, to make an OVERALL package.
Cartridge - centric shooters are focused on the case and bullet diameter, but tactical users and hunters are based on end results. If a KSG was the better choice for the job, then it's 12ga and move on. It's a tool, not a idol.
I like the Wiki definition:
What happens in cartridge conversations is that the idolators line up to trash the others choice, some stumblebum steps in to dispense Authoritative Truth, and then he gets splattered wrestling in the muck.
Aahhmm, I'm Infantry, I'll jump in every time. Nature of my training. xx <---- insert smilely of happy muddy pig in BDU's.
CONCLUSION: AUTHORITATIVE WORDS --> 6.8 is doing fine. Get over it.
Now, isn't that better than the grumpy old fart routine? I'm enjoying it.
AFdoc, I don't do point by point refutation. It's indicative of exactly what the problems are discussing ballistics and end performance - the scientific facts are out there, but the conversation almost always turns to off topic grammatical and argumentation theory. That sort of nitpicking derails the real issue, and shows the respondent doesn't really want to debate facts of the topic, just win at any cost.
This quote probably sums up exactly why the 6.8 isn't doing so well in bolt guns. I'd like to see it in a lever action, Marlin is about the only choice, and the .30-30 does that pretty much. Lever gun guys aren't going to flock to an even smaller metric cartridge. It's actually done OK in the Ruger Mini, but that's already been covered by the 5.56 - it's a cheaper plinker, and that's what Mini owners prefer.
Yes, we do have to consider the 6.8 as chained into the AR as it's only application. But that hasn't hurt it at all in another respect - the AR is taking up market almost exponentially right now, just like the .45 auto in the '90's. Precisely the reason all the other cartridges are coming out, too, and they are also tied to the AR just as much.
Considering almost any of them are limited to the AR15 magwell overall length, it's basically a choice to tilt performance to one end of the ballistic scale or the other. Big fat slow bullet with limited powder, to tiny bullet with a lot of powder for its size. The 6.8 is in the middle covering the ground used for lethal hunting use, exactly the reason it was designed.
It has the best application of killing power. Paper punchers and internet commandos don't identify with that reality, it's uncomfortable, and shy away to accept other cartridges that do what they want better.
There's really no right or wrong about the cartridges, it's the users who bring that in justifying their choice because they feel it's an attack on them. That's where some step over the line and spout misinformation and repeat false assertions.
This quote probably sums up exactly why the 6.8 isn't doing so well in bolt guns. I'd like to see it in a lever action, Marlin is about the only choice, and the .30-30 does that pretty much. Lever gun guys aren't going to flock to an even smaller metric cartridge. It's actually done OK in the Ruger Mini, but that's already been covered by the 5.56 - it's a cheaper plinker, and that's what Mini owners prefer.
Yes, we do have to consider the 6.8 as chained into the AR as it's only application. But that hasn't hurt it at all in another respect - the AR is taking up market almost exponentially right now, just like the .45 auto in the '90's. Precisely the reason all the other cartridges are coming out, too, and they are also tied to the AR just as much.
Considering almost any of them are limited to the AR15 magwell overall length, it's basically a choice to tilt performance to one end of the ballistic scale or the other. Big fat slow bullet with limited powder, to tiny bullet with a lot of powder for its size. The 6.8 is in the middle covering the ground used for lethal hunting use, exactly the reason it was designed.
It has the best application of killing power. Paper punchers and internet commandos don't identify with that reality, it's uncomfortable, and shy away to accept other cartridges that do what they want better.
There's really no right or wrong about the cartridges, it's the users who bring that in justifying their choice because they feel it's an attack on them. That's where some step over the line and spout misinformation and repeat false assertions.
RangerHAAF
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Yes it's a dying round. I got on the bandwagon briefly, took an AR chambered in 6.8 hunting; I fired two shots and missed, ruined the whole trip. So I'm not a fan and I quickly traded up to an AR-10 that worked fine.
Hopefully you won't miss with that .308. Good luck.
Hindsight is 20/20. But if I could do it all over again and go back to the 50's, I would have liked to see an AR cartridge developed around the 6.2-6.5mm mark, around 90-110 grains. Maybe similar to the Grendel. It would have answered the designers questions about BC, wind resistance, penetration, less weight (than .308), decent long range performance and of course, hits harder than a 5.56 - the reason we're having this discussion on the 6.8SPC.
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Missing isn't the fault of the cartridge, in case someone missed that memo in hunting class.
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