Is the 7.62 x 39 an American Cartridge?

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The cartridge pedigree is less important to me than the gun it is fired in. For some illogical reason I detest AK47s but admire the SKS. I love Mausers and they have been fired at Americans in three wars. The 7.62 X 39 is just too good a mid range cartridge not to accept.
 
The American military did not adopt the 7.62x39mm but American shooters and hunters have adopted it.
It is as American as the music of the Beatles and Rolling Stones.


Added: I was gifted a Yugo M70AB2 in 7.62x39mm and since the ammo continues to be affordable, I adopted 7.62x39mm to shoot in the local modern military matches, reserving my M1 Carbine for the vintage military matches. .30 Carbine ammo can be pricy and occassionally not available locally, so adopting 7.62x39mm makes it easier for me to maintain a reserve of ammo. .30 Carbine is an American cartridge to me but 7.62x39mm is still foreign to me.
 
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the last time I bought 762x32, some Fudd types gave me dirty looks. But that was 12 years ago. A gun range I went to still had rangemasters that wanted it banned. Just sayin
 
Yes and no.

Obviously it was originally made in the Soviet Union. That's who made and produced that cartridge. That's who mostly made the weapons that are tied to that cartridge and who transferred those weapons all over the world. That's who helped the communist countries start up their production of the weapons in that caliber.

When the Soviet system collapsed the Russian government took over production.

However that meant cheap ammo for everyone in the US for a very long time. Even when they weren't Soviet/Russian rifles most of the AK's and SKS's that reached America's shores were built on their tooling or built with their help.

The Soviet Union, China, East Germany, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Poland, Egypt and a few other countries all produced weapons in 7.62x39 and most of those countries exported weapons in those calibers to the US.

Yugoslavia set up their own weapons program and did the same thing.

AK's were $200 to $250 and SKS's were stacked up like cordwood for $75 a pop at gun shows for at least a decade and then twice those prices for another decade. I went through a good dozen of AK's and SKS's.

Is the rancher in Texas who pops hogs or coyotes with his $75 SKS that's kept in his truck for such duty any less American than if he popped them with an AR or a Savage .223 Rem?

The SKS was THE hog gun of choice for awhile before AR's took over.

Most American ammo companies produce at least one flavor of 7.62x39.

I'd say it's reached a certain level of acceptance.
 
Is the rancher in Texas who pops hogs or coyotes with his $75 SKS that's kept in his truck for such duty any less American than if he popped them with an AR or a Savage .223 Rem?

I wouldn't call any American that shoots a foreign made gun "less American". Us Americans have some great choices whether in firearms or other things. However, in my mind, just because an American uses a foreign made object that doesn't make that object American. My Norinco SKS made in China is certainly not American, even though most of the people to ever shoot it have been Americans.

Same goes for the Toshiba laptop I'm typing this comment with. A Japanese branded laptop but made in China. Yet, I'm a Texan and an American. Excuse me a moment while I take a sip out of my Canadian made coffee mug that I bought in Toronto many years ago. Lol. :D
 
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"... does a citizen in a NATO country other than America consider the 5.56x45 or the 7.62x51 American cartridges or European cartridges?"

I have read commentary that some Europeans consider 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 to be American cartridges forced upon NATO countries, with tones of bitterness and resentment.
 
"... does a citizen in a NATO country other than America consider the 5.56x45 or the 7.62x51 American cartridges or European cartridges?"

I have read commentary that some Europeans consider 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 to be American cartridges forced upon NATO countries, with tones of bitterness and resentment.
Same could be said of Americans and the 9mm. ;)
 
Are we for cereal dragging emotion into this?

So what if 7.62x39mm has been used against Americans. It's also been used against virtually every other country ever. It is a HUGELY popular round because of the Soviet influence and weapons chambered for it are prolific throughout the world.

If it makes you feel any better, M4s and SAWs in the All-American 5.56x45mm have and especially are currently being used to fire on and kill U.S. troops. ISIS didn't just throw them away when they captured abandoned U.S. equipment not long back.

As for it being "America's Cartridge" that's just a nebulous, arbitrary term you made up.
 
Just because a given caliber is popular, effective, ubiquitous, accepted, etc. does not make it "American" in my eyes.

I feel the same way regarding 9mm, for the record.


Doesn't mean I don't like the round. I have a couple of SKS rifles I like very much. Still not "American". Pizza is very popular in the US... but it's roots are in Italian cuisine. Same concept (to me). YMMV.
 
Who cares? It's a tool.
The cartridge pedigree is less important to me than the gun it is fired in. For some illogical reason I detest AK47s but admire the SKS. I love Mausers and they have been fired at Americans in three wars. The 7.62 X 39 is just too good a mid range cartridge not to accept.

Exactly.
 
But what if it is chambered in a ruger American? I think it has to be American at that point...

Regardless of country of origin, I bet the vast majority of recreational shooters of any caliber are in the US.
 
I wouldn't call any American that shoots a foreign made gun "less American". Us Americans have some great choices whether in firearms or other things. However, in my mind, just because an American uses a foreign made object that doesn't make that object American. My Norinco SKS made in China is certainly not American, even though most of the people to ever shoot it have been Americans.

When I first started actually buying my own guns in the 80's and 90's and some of my first guns were a Russian SKS and a Chinese folding stock AK that I bought on my own I heard some smack talking along that vein here and there at the range or in gun stores. About why someone would want to own something that had shot at American troops.

"I wouldn't own anything like that, it killed our troops" [meaningful glare]

Not ever from actual Vietnam vets (they were generally more interested in checking it out or making jokes about seeing/hearing enough from those things over there and getting a laugh and then coming over and checking it out anyway), but others.

It hadn't, it was an import from Russia and China. You could see the thing was in new condition. But it was the same sort of gun that would have been had it been in Vietnam made by a communist regime.

It was as if they were transferring some motivation to a hunk of steel and wood. Kind of weird.

Not much of that these days, but that sort of sentiment was around back then some.
 
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Absolutely yes, it has become as American as anything else. Many US cartridges were at least inspired by various European cartridges, as are the firearms themselves. We adapt technology from any part of the world to our specific needs. That's America's strength. The Ruger Mini-30 is certainly all American... born and bred. It chambers the 7.62x39 and does it well. Everything America has comes from somewhere else because ultimately the people do too. 7.62x39 is a great design. Many clever Americans have taken note.
 
Put me in the negative column. I love my 7.62 x 39s, but that doesn't change the fact that the cartridge was inspired by the Stg 44 cartridge (7.92 x 33) and fully implemented by the Russian govt. That doesn't make it bad or good, but we should give credit where due. It is obsolete, but the economics and goofy Americans have given it a second wind.
 
Hollywood always gets it wrong. You could make a better case for the Winchester 73 and the .44-40.

It's not Hollywood, it's BSA1, the Win '73 is the "gun which won the west." The 94 and the 30-30 rode on its coattails with a couple generations of hunters and shooters which just knew leverguns were cool and didn't know any better. Same guys who claim the 45-70 is responsible for wiping out the American bison...
 
x39 is definitely a Russian round. The guns it is chambered in are not exclusively Russian made, but the vast majority of the guns are of Russian heritage, often by way of Asian manufacture. The AK and SKS are functionally a far cry from anything born and built domestically. The obscure other guns chambered for the x39 are just that, obscure, with no further notoriety, and effectively no interest unless the person interested first owns an AK or SKS and have a stockpile of ammo that they want to use in other guns.

I guess that means that the x39 is about as American as a Honda Civic...or perhaps worse, a Yugo.
 
It's not Hollywood, it's BSA1, the Win '73 is the "gun which won the west." The 94 and the 30-30 rode on its coattails with a couple generations of hunters and shooters which just knew leverguns were cool and didn't know any better. Same guys who claim the 45-70 is responsible for wiping out the American bison...
Easy now. Leverguns are cool. However, I didn’t think so till I was about 30.
 
No matter how many Americans shoot it, it will always be a "dirty Commie" round. Its roots and history are too firmly entrenched in the Comblock for it ever to be claimed as American.
 
Absolutely yes, it has become as American as anything else. Many US cartridges were at least inspired by various European cartridges, as are the firearms themselves. We adapt technology from any part of the world to our specific needs. That's America's strength. The Ruger Mini-30 is certainly all American... born and bred. It chambers the 7.62x39 and does it well. Everything America has comes from somewhere else because ultimately the people do too. 7.62x39 is a great design. Many clever Americans have taken note.
Uhhhh.....What? So did the Ruger Mini-30 come from America or not? If it’s born and bred here, how did it come from somewhere else? Is there a rift in the space time continuum opening up a parallel dimension or something that I missed out on?
 
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