is "the dip" safe for titanium?

[greyling22]

I am still shopping for my 22 can, and many of the ones I like are at least in part made of titanium. I had heard that stainless and Ti are safe for the dip, but when I asked tacsol about their titanium can they said NO!!!!! and here http://nfatalk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8349 Liberty suppressors said don't dip Ti. Are they just butt covering, or is it really an issue?

I really don't want to spend my days scraping on a can to get it clean, so the dip is of huge interest to me. Tacsol said use paint thinner to soak it in, and I have heard you can pretreat your parts in DOT 5 brake fluid to make crud easy to wipe off.

What say thehighroaders? Dip? y/n? other easy method to clean a 22 can?

 

[LopezEL]

Last time I cleaned element 2 and spectre 2 baffles, I threw them in my rotary tumbler with stainless pins. They came out like new after 3 hours.

 

[LocoGringo]

Good question. I'm waiting on permission from the government to possess my legally owned Axiom.

Following this thread with interest...

 

[Elkins45]

Tacsol can't be taken apart by the user. I would not even consider the purchase of a sealed rimfire can.

 

[dogtown tom]

greyling22 when I asked tacsol about their titanium can they said NO!!!!!and here http://nfatalk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8349 Liberty suppressors said don't dip Ti. Are they just butt covering, or is it really an issue?

Despite two manufacturers saying to not dip their titanium cans you would rather take the word of anonymous guys on the Internet?

Your link even shows what happens when you dip a titanium can.

 

[LocoGringo]

Tacsol can't be taken apart by the user. I would not even consider the purchase of a sealed rimfire can.

Not to derail the thread and start an argument, but what model are you talking about because the Axiom most certainly CAN be disassembled by the end user. It's very similar in construction to the beloved Sparrow by SilencerCo.

 

[greyling22]

They redesigned the axiom a couple years ago into a pretty well designed take apart can.

And yes, I will take opinions from internet people
I have yet to see a gun company that didn't say don't use reloads. There really is a lot of butt covering. However, I do take what the mfg has to say in to account. And 2 companies makes a compelling argument. If the dip is a no go, and I can't afford to get into ultrasonic and stainless tumbling, how does one effectively clean a can.

 

[LocoGringo]

Greyling, in the link you provided, there is a guy a little farther down below the photos of the titanium reacting with the "dip" who said something about media blasting the baffles that sounded interesting to me. He mentioned he spent around $100 for a setup that works well. I might look more into that option.

 

[Elkins45]

Not to derail the thread and start an argument, but what model are you talking about because the Axiom most certainly CAN be disassembled by the end user. It's very similar in construction to the beloved Sparrow by SilencerCo.

I was thinking of the Cascade Ti.

 

[rcmodel]

I'll play.

What is DIP?

And why would Titanium, that is impervious to burning jet fuel at 5,000 degrees be harmed by any common non-regulated cleaning 'dip' you can buy for consumer use???

What exactly is 'dip'??

Stronger then carb cleaner, that will remove the yellow of a meth junkies teeth without harming aluminum or brass carb parts??

rc

 

[Crawfish1]

The dip is a chemical compound of hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. It dissolves lead and makes lead acetate or a lead salt. If you get it on you it goes through your skin into your body. I tried the dip once. Not worth the risk. It works as claimed but what do you do with the hazardous waste.? Bad news stuff. I think unless the lead is precipitated you can't make lead acetate safe. I like the stainless tumbler method.

 

[rcmodel]

Thank you for educating me.
I had never heard of 'the dip', but I'm not suppressor fluent either.

The last one I shot was a Sionics on an M-14 sniper rifle in 1968.


rc

 

[Olympus]

I have used the dip on the baffles only on my TacSol Axiom. I put the solution in a glass jar and put the jar inside my sonic cleaner. The baffles come out looking brand new. The baffles are stainless though and not Ti.

 

[redbullitt]

I don't like the dip on anything but stainless, but that is just me.

As far as cleaning the can, a dental pick and a little elbow grease goes a long way.

 

[MCMXI]

I have an AAC ELEMENT2 that I heated and soaked in silicone oil. It seems to be quite clean after 500 rounds. I'll take it apart soon and show some pictures of the baffles.

 

[wally]

The inside of a suppressor is kind of like the insides of the muffler of your car, how often do you worry about cleaning it? "Shiny" is a far more than necessary, OCD much?

With a .22lR can you need to clean out the lead that builds up, but its only got to be clean enough to not have pieces flake off while shooting which could cause baffle strikes, and go back together easily. It should be cleaned before it builds up to the point you risk damaging it during disassembly.

With my Sparrow SS 1000 rounds of bulk pack is a bit too much, so I try to remember to do it every 700-800 rounds which is usually two or three outings -- my wife really enjoys shooting suppressed .22lr.



I think using the dip is irresponsible unless you've got a verified safe way of disposing of the resulting highly toxic lead acetate. There is all kinds of exaggerations about "lead toxicity" mostly to justify banning it and make ammo too expensive so as to implement back door gun control. But all these are not exaggerations for lead acetate, which is not a normally produced in the use of lead.

 

[Olympus]

So you're saying I shouldn't pour my used dip on the ground? I was thinking I should pour it on the ground next to the spot I dump I used motor oil.

 

[Crawfish1]

I'm sure it's been done before

 

[HDHNTER]

Ti is not Dip safe, SS only.

 

[Charger442]

just to add more fun to this fire, Thunderbeast says their Titanium 22l-1 suppressor can be dipped and when they are sent back to them to be cleaned, thats what they do. They DIP them.

 

[dogtown tom]

Charger442 .....and when they are sent back to them to be cleaned, thats what they do. They DIP them.

No, they say they will use their ultrasonic cleaner.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/forum/threads/do-i-need-to-clean-my-suppressor-how-often.4/

 

[Charger442]

No, they say they will use their ultrasonic cleaner.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/forum/threads/do-i-need-to-clean-my-suppressor-how-often.4/

they say they CAN use their ultrasonic cleaner. They also says they can dip them.

Straight from your link

Unlike suppressors made of some other materials, our all-titanium silencers can be cleaned very effectively without taking them apart, by using one of two methods: (1) drop it in an ultrasonic cleaner for a few minutes, or (2) use the widely-known "vinegar and peroxide" method. Both of these will clean anything out that's in the suppressor. Appropriate precautions and disposal methods must be taken with the output of this process because it is toxic.

 

[dogtown tom]

You are confused. In your first post you wrote:".....and when they are sent back to them to be cleaned, thats what they do. They DIP them."

Nowhere in that link does it say they will "DIP them", in fact it says exactly this:

We offer one free cleaning per year in our ultrasonic cleaner if the customer covers shipping.

The entire post exactly as it appears on their site:

Many people believe that suppressors need to be kept very clean to perform well. This is not true.

All of our silencers are sealed and welded, and cannot be taken apart. We do this to produce the strongest, lightest, and smallest suppressor, since adding threads would compromise one of more of those factors. In addition, the full 360-degree welded baffle core featured in most of our centerfire suppressors could not be taken apart anyway. We also do this to ensure long-term accuracy and reliability of the product.

Our centerfire rifle suppressors need no cleaning. The only "gunk" they accumulate is some carbon buildup, which is self-limiting since each shot will knock some loose. There is no need to clean our centerfire suppressors, other than making sure the threads are clear.

The rimfire suppressors will collect some carbon/lead/wax buildup over long periods of time, but most people will never see any performance impact because of this. A moderately fouled .22 suppressor is usually quieter than a totally clean one, too. Eventually, you will see the weight of the suppressor increase slightly due to accumulated fouling. Long after this, you might be able to tell a difference in suppression due to decreased volume, but it will take a huge number of rounds to get to that point.

Unlike suppressors made of some other materials, our all-titanium silencers can be cleaned very effectively without taking them apart, by using one of two methods: (1) drop it in an ultrasonic cleaner for a few minutes, or (2) use the widely-known "vinegar and peroxide" method. Both of these will clean anything out that's in the suppressor. Appropriate precautions and disposal methods must be taken with the output of this process because it is toxic.

We offer one free cleaning per year in our ultrasonic cleaner if the customer covers shipping.

For what it's worth, I never clean my personal or "demo" suppressors, even when shooting matches throughout the year.

 

[Charger442]

Seriously? Are you missing the vinegar/peroxide method? That's the dip. They state either will clean their titanium cans.

 

[Theohazard]

Seriously? Are you missing the vinegar/peroxide method? That's the dip. They state either will clean their titanium cans.

Seriously? Did you not read anything he wrote? Go back and read post #23 again.

Again, he's not claiming that Thunderbeast doesn't say you can dip their cans; they obviously did say that and he agrees with that.

But you said:

and when they are sent back to them to be cleaned, thats what they do. They DIP them.

But nowhere in that Thunderbeast link do they say they will dip your can; in fact, they specifically say they will use an ultrasonic cleaner.