Is the General Social Attitude Toward Guns Changing?

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As much as we have to continually fight the encroachment of gun legislation, it seems to me that the general social attitude toward guns is changing in a positive way. While there's a great deal of legitimate concern about what the current Administration, acting with a sympathetic Congress, might try to do, I increasingly hear folks whom I would not consider overtly pro-gun voicing their disagreement with gun control legislation.

What's your viewpoint? Are attitudes shifting? Why?
 
I believe the attitude are changing towards our favor. The politicians are afraid to try another AWB now because they don't want to lose their power and doing so would be suicide. I think of it along the lines of..."ok, we tried it, and there was no difference in x, y, or z...failure."
 
Depends on where you live.

If you live in rural areas, you probably never saw a decrease in popularity for firearms.

If you live in the suburbs, you'll likely find them a wee bit more sympathetic to guns than you might have, say, five-ten years ago. This seems to be largely driven by the growing popularity of CCW.

If you live in a highly urban area with strict gun control, you probably don't see any increase in affinity towards firearms simply because they remain foreign to these folk.
 
I'm a cursed pessimist. This country just elected the most anti-2A president in a generation, if not ever. I haven't been fortunate enough to encounter the type of people the OP details. My state is becoming increasingly liberal, and too many of the Californians who've moved here have brought their ideology with them.

I hope you're right.
 
I have been wondering about this myself. Here is what I think.

I think that Americans in general are very protective of constitutional rights, regardless of if they exercise them or not. For example people may not go out and protest but they will be against infringements on the 1st Amendment.

Since DC v. Heller it was splashed all over the news and other media that the 2nd Amendment protects an individuals right to keep and bear arms. Removing a lot of the ambiguity that existed before (for those that do not actively exercise this right).

I think this has had a profound effect on the general attitude of the country.
 
I hope you're right.

Well, I'm not sure that I am. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I seem to be encountering more pro-2A sentiments than I have in the past. This, despite living in one of the least gun-friendly states in the Union.

I think a couple of things are at play--first, there is a belief that politicians are increasingly treating the people as their subjects, and not their masters. People I know, across a wide political spectrum, are becoming more and more skeptical of legislation that encroaches on our rights. Second, the shocking advent of terrorism within our borders that has claimed thousands of lives has caused people to reconsider the wisdom of assuming that the government can protect us at all times, against all threats. Third, there is an emerging awareness of the real effect of gun legislation; with most states now embracing either concealed or open carry (admittedly to varying degrees), it is finally sinking in that the problem is criminals, and not guns.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic. There are certainly clouds gathering on the horizon, insofar as anti-gun legislation is concerned. But, it apears that citizens are increasingly concerned enough to vocalize their belief that the right to keep and bear arms is good for our society.
 
People are seeing that the places with the worst crime (and the most useless police) are the same ones with the most oppressive gun control laws.

In Chicago, nobody except politicians and cops can own handguns. There's no CCW. Yet you can't go to a large public event without somebody getting shot in gang related violence.

They see that places like Cleveland, with as much or more poverty, but where any non-criminal can own and CARRY a handgun are MUCH safer than Chicago and New York.

A lot of people are stupid, but they're not THAT stupid. They're starting to catch on that gun control is just a scam.
 
A lot more people I run into today think that guns in law abiding citizens
hands are a good thing and even if they don't want guns around them,
they indicate they do NOT want to see 2a screwed with any further.
It seems they, like us, understand why we have this right and are
not buying into the rhetoric of the antis any longer.

I'm also noticing that many people seem to have become aware that the
mind stream media, many pacs and most politicians have been lying to the general public for a long time.
In fact EVERYONE I talk to any more indicates that they do NOT trust the government at all
(the most common phrase is 'they are all crooks')
and are feed up with the nanny state PC tree hugging movement
and the continued over taxation and regulation of all of us.

Come to think of it, the only time I've ever really seen rabid antis
is in sound bites in the media outlets/publications, or on gun forums.

This isn't political but I must point out.
Many people I talk to who voted for 'change' seem to be very disappointed
as to the 'changes' they see being made so far.
Even know they don't come right out and say it, I think
a lot of voters feel they have been duped.

To show the flip side of this, the same people including myself,
didn't like the direction the last 8 years took us in either,
insofar as civil liberties being restricted further by our government.

Another indicator that tells me that people are very worried about the direction we are going as a country,
is the fact that more guns and ammo have been purchased in the last several months than in any time in our history.
This also seems to have DC and the alphabet agencies very concerned as well.
As they should be.
 
I think there has been a major change.

And, it is for the better for us. This is a personal opinion, of course--but here's what I've noted in the last few months:

1. The election of Obama has driven a major expenditure on firearms and ammunition, with many first-time buyers, period. Literally, millions of buyers of firearms. We have no way of knowing who the first time buyers are, but we keep getting anecdotal reports (here, in other forums). That suggests to me a major underlying support for the 2nd Amendment, and it was driven by the general media reporting of Heller.

2. Traction for gun control as a political tool has not been gained during or following a month of over-reported shootings--the so-called 'mass murders' in Binghampton, etc. There are NO fast-track bills in Congress, etc.--only NY State seems to be doing this.

3. Two annual polls about "Gun Control" have extremely positive results for anti-gun-control enthusiasts: A Gallup Poll, done last fall, showed a continued decline in public support for new gun control. Interestingly, Gallup (Democrat-Party-biased) did not report these results until April. Then, in the last two weeks, a Rassmussen poll done about the first week in April (i.e., after the MSM frenzy over mass shootings) showed the same result--public interest in new laws for gun control is at its lowest point in forty years.

here is a link to the Gallup poll, and here is the link to the Rasmussen poll. Finally, here is a summary of a third--the CNN Poll (which I believe is the superset of the Rassmussen Poll) in a Seattle PI overview.​

4. The changing nature of newspapers to online producers of news has provided a wonderful tool for the anti-gun-control public--and we are taking full advantage of that. This tool is the "comments" feature allowing response to a certain news story, article, or opinion and appended to the report itself.

Many of us have read these articles and coments--indeed, we've responded in them. But what I now see, particularly for the 'unmoderated' responses, is that pro-gun-control posters immediately jump in with articulate, well-reasoned counters to the claims being put forth.

If the comments section is moderated, we probably see more of the "redneck" comments variety, particularly in publications with a known liberal bias. But for the hundreds and probably thousands of the smaller, regional newspapers (understaffed, and under tremendous economic stress), they are not--and posters are taking advantage of it. Helmke just received a profile interview in his original home-town paper, Fort Wayne--and, when I read it, four articulate comments refuting his comments appeared. here is the article--see the comments.

The point is, after decades of non-reporting of gunny / pro-gun POVs, we now have a reasonable way to present our arguments--and it has to have a major impact in the long run.

Jim H.
 
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I think things have changed. It has become more of a Constitutional issue then a gun issue. The deal in Montana is a plus. There is no real statistic that show gun control works. There will always be a group of people that want them gone. Their opinion I respect but disagree with.
 
this country just elected the most anti-2A president in a generation

the thing to keep in mind on this note is that he squeaked in by VERY small margin. It could be argued that half the country does not want him there. Just because he is anti dies not mean the country is.
The question I have is how will this documented upsurge in gun interest affect the politicians?
Will they back off and let the public keep its second amendment because people seem to be against gun-control? Or, with this apparent shift, will the politicos now get obfuscatory about their methodology knowing that we will oppose what they try?
Don't get me wrong I really do appreciate the fact that more people are supporting the fire-arm cause to one extent or another. But it also means we have to watch certain groups of people MUCH closer. :scrutiny:
 
Great post Jim.

And Rellian, you're right. I have to realize that BHO wasn't elected on his anti-2A agenda, rather he ran from the middle like most all libs do. I don't want this thread to start falling into a political ditch, so let's leave it at that.
 
I live in Urban North Jersey, we have plenty of gun owners up here and we are a stones throw from NYC. Guidos like to shoot too you know!!!
 
jfh said:
The changing nature of newspapers to online producers has provided a wonderful tool for the anti-gun-control public--and we are taking full advantage of that. This tool is the "comments" feature allowing response to a certain news story, article, or opinion and appended to the report itself.

I take advantage of the opportunity to comment on the importance of Second Amendment rights whenever I see a news story with implications for the RKBA. I agree that this is a powerful tool for gun owners to show that there is a logical argument to be made, and that we are responsible and rational human beings.

The key is to respond concisely with unambiguous claims in support of gun rights; e.g., "States that have expanded self-defense rights have seen a sharp drop in violent crime" or something to that effect. I do believe that fence-sitters can be persuaded by a steady drumbeat of logical pro-gun arguments.
 
Yes, very definitely. Look at the changing poll numbers, going back to the 1950's:

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Things have definitely changed for the better.

this country just elected the most anti-2A president in a generation
Whatever his personal views, he is behaving in a FAR less anti-gun manner than Clinton did. I believe it is because he understands, unlike Clinton, that going after gun ownership would derail his proposals on the issues he considers more important, whereas Clinton either believed gun banning was the most important agenda he had, or else was so clueless as to believe that gun bans would be a political win.

And Obama was NOT elected because of his anti-gun views; he was elected in spite of them, and it appears that he and at least some of his advisers appear to recognize that.
 
I think since more people are turning to the net for their news and the paper rags are dying out, it makes a difference. In alot of jobs, you can't sit and have your brain fried by TV at work, but you might be able to sneak in some net surfing. People may not be getting smarter, but they may be getting better information.

Also, with bad economy comes higher crime. People are watching all the home invasions on the news at night, thinking, "Crap. That guy got beaten to death while on the phone to 911. Maybe I do need a gun."
 
I think since more people are turning to the net for their news and the paper rags are dying out, it makes a difference. In alot of jobs, you can't sit and have your brain fried by TV at work, but you might be able to sneak in some net surfing. People may not be getting smarter, but they may be getting better information.

Also, with bad economy comes higher crime. People are watching all the home invasions on the news at night, thinking, "Crap. That guy got beaten to death while on the phone to 911. Maybe I do need a gun."

I agree with this statement above.
 
Re: this country just elected the most anti-2A president in a generation

We have to realize that while 2nd ammendment stance is a seriously core issue for many of us here, it is likely a little further down the list for the majority. The implication that 2nd A position is what put President Obama in office is, I think, flawed.

To the OP: yes, I think there has been a shift, and in my opinion it is largely due to people being worried enough about crime, the economy, and a perception of impending regulation preventing them from owning a firearm that they were forced to abandon closely held but unsupportable anti-gun feelings. They suddenly felt they had a dog in this fight.

Many unrealistic opinions and lifestyle choices are only viable when times are really good. And they have been really good in this great country for a very long time. Personally, I hope we get back to a state of being that is so safe, stable, and prosperous that those who choose to live in a utopian fog can do so once again with impunity.

I really don't mind being the one who remains nervous and armed. Just so they leave me enough liberty to indulge myself.

Steve
 
i would agree here in memphis you needed a week maybe 2 to in role in the class to get your carry permit now there is a several month wait
 
I think I've mentioned this before and let me say I'm happy
to see CCW being embraced more and more by many states.
But do any of you ever wonder why the change of heart?

I have a feeling there's more to this 'registration' process
than meets the eye.
I mean, once your 'registered', you pretty much just alerted the gov.
that you have a gun, or plan to get one.

Can't you see the possibly of abuse here?
Now that they KNOW you are a gun toter, or you want to be?

Look at AU and the UK.
Registration, then confiscation.

This is one of the MAIN reasons I'm reluctant to get a CCW.
 
Also, with bad economy comes higher crime. People are watching all the home invasions on the news at night, thinking, "Crap. That guy got beaten to death while on the phone to 911. Maybe I do need a gun."

I think this is one of the keys, people are realizing that the police can't protect them. People are starting to realize that it's their responsibility to protect themselves and they're buying guns.

I don't think most Americans care to much about the constitutional issues. They don't believe anyone would really try to curtail their freedoms. And they see those of us who went to the Tea parties as trouble makers. I don't think those folks will pay any attention to the constitutional issuses until the government (with out regard to which party is in power) does something that really affects the average Joe's liberty, then you'll see a backlash. Hopefully we'll still have the means to resist.
 
I don't think that attitudes towards guns themselves have changed much, but I think more people realize that stricter guns laws are ineffective at reducing crime. When politicians propose more gun control, more and more people realize that they are grandstanding instead of actually doing something to improve society (improve schools, promote jobs, discourage government waste, etc, etc, etc).
 
I agree attitude is swinging in a manner that is more 2A friendly. A lot of factors have been included. More pragmatically many people are seeing through the crime control fog and realizing personal protection is no joke. Areas that allow citizens access to arms saw a neutral or decrease in crimes. Areas tightly regulated saw a neutral or increase in crimes. Some would say the projection to criminals I am dangerous to attack makes deterrent sense. Katrina opened up a lot of eyes with both the chaos and crime and the gun confiscation. To many Katrina was a can't happen here situation but the lesson wasn't wasted on all. Mass shootings also draws a different lesson and response. People are more incline to see the shooters are aberrant madmen and more sympathy for their DEFENSELESS victims. Some even pay attention to the fact armed citizens have foiled some of these tragedies as much if not more than our paid security and police defenders. I think too the timidness shown by some security responses just points out they are there to clean up and can't really prevent the unpredicted.

People are voting with their pocketbooks during the worst economic crisis in memory. Even lala pols have to notice that.
 
I've often heard that public opinion is like a pendulum. You can see it in politics and other trends as well. I believe that the pendulum is swinging in our favor at the moment. Where it's at, how far it will go, and when and how far back will it travel, I can't say. I can say that recent court decisions and laws being passed in GA indicate that things are swinging in the pro gun direction. What we need to do is make sure that when it starts to swing back, we limit the movement as much as possible and get it swinging back in the right direction.
 
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