Is the Rogers and Spencer also waterproof???

[Ugly Sauce]

Not too bad of a 25 yard group today, 38 grains 2fg Swiss and a ball.

Mostly though, I just wanted to unload the gun as it got quite wet while wet-forming it to it's new holster. The gun got very wet, several times, so I was curious if there would be any miss-fires.

There were no misfires or hang fires. What I actually "blame" that on is that I like very tight fitting caps on my revolvers. What I prefer, and how they fit on the R&S (and my Colts and Remington) is where I have to press them on the rest of the way with the hammer, and then they should not be able to be picked off with a finger nail, and should be difficult with a pocket knife. Maybe not most people's cup of tea, but it's what I like because I always thought it would make it more unlikely for water to kill the cap.

I've seen two videos, one by In Range TV, where they just sprinkled a little water on the gun, and then got lots of misfires. Then they would remove a cap, easily, and sure enough the priming was mush. Methinks, that if you want the gun to fire in wet, unforeseen circumstances, that tight caps are a good thing.

What say you, homies?

 

[Acorn Mush]

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... Methinks, that if you want the gun to fire in wet, unforeseen circumstances, that tight caps are a good thing.

What say you, homies?

You have one-hundred percent agreement from me. I have also read of guys sealing caps with a coat of nail polish, bees wax, or even a small section of aquarium tubing installed as a collar around the cap. Never tried any of these methods myself, being the fair-weather shooter I am.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I've heard to those things too, but just getting a tight fit seems to be the most trouble free thing to my mind. I've spent too much time in the mountains...some days will be bright and clear, and then you see some big thunder-bumper rolling over the top of the mountain in front of you...twenty minutes later it starts dumping! I got caught in sleet and snow a year or two ago in July. So ya never know. On the other hand, I rarely take to the trail without my poncho, but still....

 

[Slamfire]

I am also sure that loose caps just fell off. Horses are all bouncy, bouncy, and from the rub marks on several Calvary swords I have, it is obvious that anything on a horse also goes bouncy, bouncy. These French heavy cavalry swords show material wear just where the sword scabbard spring touches the ricasso. I think the blade was bouncing up and down in the scabbard every step the horse took. And guess what, so would be the revolver, and the caps on the nipples, of the revolver carried by a trooper. Given several hundred thousands of steps, I bet the occasional cap fell off.

It would have been prudent, to keep one's sword handy: En Garde!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Nice sword! My sword of choice is the Prussian Model 1852 sabre. But I like straight ones like the above too.

Yeah, I'm sure horses didn't help. I've often wondered, how did they carry the old single shot flintlock hoss-pistols, in pommel holsters, without the ball getting jolted down the barrel if they just loaded them with tow or wadding over the ball? I'm pretty sure they had to use a tightly patched ball. Of course, most will say they "never", "ever", patched a ball in a smooth bore back then, and "always" used a bare-ball with tow or a wad over it. But if one has ever ridden a horse, that seems impossible...!!! As you mention, they are quite bouncy.

 

[Smokepole14]

Mostly though, I just wanted to unload the gun as it got quite wet while wet-forming it to it's new holster. The gun got very wet, several times, so I was curious if there would be any miss-fires.

I bet your the first person to ever wet form a cap and ball revolver loaded! I like it my kind of style! Let’s see the ole R&S in the holster

 

[woodnbow]

You have one-hundred percent agreement from me. I have also read of guys sealing caps with a coat of nail polish, bees wax, or even a small section of aquarium tubing installed as a collar around the cap. Never tried any of these methods myself, being the fair-weather shooter I am.

I’ve run experiments with small tubing pieces. I bought them on ebay and while they’re not especially cheap, they are reusable and they do work if you must have a bang when you pull the trigger. I’m a fan of the Remington 10’s and I size the cones for those caps. After placing them on the cone I flip the capper and use the back of the capper to seat them firmly on the cone. Now I need to test them for waterproofing. I will say that I’ve been in downpours and snowstorms where the gun got very wet but still fired. I’ll try something more rigorous.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I bet your the first person to ever wet form a cap and ball revolver loaded! I like it my kind of style! Let’s see the ole R&S in the holster

Well...the holster arrived and I was eager to get to work. !! Too impatient to shoot the gun and then clean it...wouldn't want to be the first person to put a fouled pistol in a wet holster. Without a baggie. But I was very curious about the caps getting wet. They sure didn't.

Will post a pic, it's got a nice sheen and feel to it now, and I rounded off the square muzzle end of the holster, looks better. The fit is perfect now, molded to the pistol, it won't budge falling off a cliff, motorcycle, or hoss.

 

[hawg]

I have loaded and fired my 51 navy in a light drizzly rain with no real problems other than having to load bent over and at an awkward angle to protect the powder and keep the chambers dry. I have loaded my Hawken and set it right side up on an old pallet propped against a tree and wet it down with spray from a garden hose to prove to my BIL that a traditional rifle wouldn't misfire after being in the rain.

 

[Mizar]

Maybe part of the problem with Karl's (InrangeTV) misfiring revolver, poor fitting caps aside, is an inadequate sealing of the Remington #10 caps? I have read on other forums where some member submerged RWS 1075 in water for half an hour and after that the caps worked. I can try that with RWS 1075 and S&B 4mm caps, but I don't have any Remingtons left. If some of you think that this "experiment" might be useful, we can agree on some guidelines, like time submerged, number of caps tested, even water temperature (sort of..) - what do you guys think?

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Maybe part of the problem with Karl's (InrangeTV) misfiring revolver, poor fitting caps aside, is an inadequate sealing of the Remington #10 caps? I have read on other forums where some member submerged RWS 1075 in water for half an hour and after that the caps worked. I can try that with RWS 1075 and S&B 4mm caps, but I don't have any Remingtons left. If some of you think that this "experiment" might be useful, we can agree on some guidelines, like time submerged, number of caps tested, even water temperature (sort of..) - what do you guys think?

Do mean submerging the caps alone in water? That would be interesting. The caps Karl was using were certainly not very water resistant, and to my mind could not have been very tight or even snug fitting. His sprinkle can did not deliver much water, and he attempted to fire the pistol soon after the sprinkling.

What I have thought about doing is loading a cylinder on the gun, putting lube over the ball, and then capping with various caps, and caps of differing fit. Then I would take the cylinder out of the revolver, submerge the cylinder in water for different time intervals, put it back in the gun and see how she fires. That would save the revolver from taking a dunking.

However it was done, water temp would be important just to keep variables consistent.

For myself, it would reveal some valuable information, giving me an idea of just what my chances are when perhaps falling in a stream. Falling off a log crossing a stream that's running high in the spring is not an impossibility. !!!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I have loaded and fired my 51 navy in a light drizzly rain with no real problems other than having to load bent over and at an awkward angle to protect the powder and keep the chambers dry. I have loaded my Hawken and set it right side up on an old pallet propped against a tree and wet it down with spray from a garden hose to prove to my BIL that a traditional rifle wouldn't misfire after being in the rain.

I can keep Bessie or the Jeager running in the rain, although it takes a bit of care and attention to detail. But my 1861 Springfield I'm pretty confident that it could be totally submerged and then fired. Submerging a flintlock...not so much. If a guy has a poncho, that could be a pistol's best friend.

Then there was the time that the Kid died during a frog-strangler downpour when him and the Josey Wales was running from Fletcher and Red Legs Terrel. When he fired his pistol by the horse's butt, to run it off with the Kid's body on it, his pistol didn't miss-fire. Now Josey did have a cartridge conversion Colt, but it looked like a 1862 in that instance. ? And don't tell me that was just a movie!

 

[Mizar]

Do mean submerging the caps alone in water?

Yes, that way we can keep the variables away - like caps fitting on nipples. My idea is to see which caps are most "waterproof" alone by making a controlled test - I can contribute with 1075 and Sellier & Bellot (all that I have at this moment). I just don't know what time submerging them will be viable - a minute, five minutes, more... Firing them as soon as we get them out of the water, for every batch. Stuff like that... I just don't know what time frame will be realistic for a test to give us at least SOME information.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I have plenty of CCI#11's.

 

[hawg]

I can keep Bessie or the Jeager running in the rain, although it takes a bit of care and attention to detail. But my 1861 Springfield I'm pretty confident that it could be totally submerged and then fired. Submerging a flintlock...not so much. If a guy has a poncho, that could be a pistol's best friend.

Then there was the time that the Kid died during a frog-strangler downpour when him and the Josey Wales was running from Fletcher and Red Legs Terrel. When he fired his pistol by the horse's butt, to run it off with the Kid's body on it, his pistol didn't miss-fire. Now Josey did have a cartridge conversion Colt, but it looked like a 1862 in that instance. ? And don't tell me that was just a movie!

But it was just a movie. Don't tell me what to do.

 

[Roverguy]

I have used the bits of tubing referenced above, more to secure caps in place rather than waterproof them. But the idea that one would require waterproofing the caps/cylinder suggests that a cap n ball revolver may be needed with urgency, as in for defense. That seems to me to be poor decision making, but a chaque, son gout. A full flap holster goes a long way towards keeping a revolver dry in any event.

Good taste, OP! I have a pair of R&S. Love them.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I have used the bits of tubing referenced above, more to secure caps in place rather than waterproof them. But the idea that one would require waterproofing the caps/cylinder suggests that a cap n ball revolver may be needed with urgency, as in for defense. That seems to me to be poor decision making, but a chaque, son gout. A full flap holster goes a long way towards keeping a revolver dry in any event.

Good taste, OP! I have a pair of R&S. Love them.

Yes, a cap-n-ball revolver would be a bad/poor decision for self defense "on the street". My concern with water proofing, or water resistance is that I like to carry a C-n-B revolver when hunting and hiking back in the way-back in the woods and wilderness. Now some would say that is not a good decision either, but it's what I like...and I always have a long-gun. For sure, a good holster is the first line of defense, not to mention having a poncho or rain jacket if there is any chance of rain, snow or sleet. Falling in the stream..."could happen".

Yep, I'm quite taken with the R&S, beautiful pistol. Built like a tank.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I like it my kind of style! Let’s see the ole R&S in the holster

 

[woodnbow]

I have used the bits of tubing referenced above, more to secure caps in place rather than waterproof them. But the idea that one would require waterproofing the caps/cylinder suggests that a cap n ball revolver may be needed with urgency, as in for defense. That seems to me to be poor decision making, but a chaque, son gout. A full flap holster goes a long way towards keeping a revolver dry in any event.

Good taste, OP! I have a pair of R&S. Love them.

For whatever reason, many of us carry cap and ball guns daily. I don’t care if I’m blasting a pine cone or a varmint. When I press the trigger I expected a loud noise. Every single time.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

For whatever reason, many of us carry cap and ball guns daily. I don’t care if I’m blasting a pine cone or a varmint. When I press the trigger I expected a loud noise. Every single time.

Right, I often carry one of the revolvers around the place, or to take the little dog on his two mile walk. The road we live on takes/makes a big loop, (two in fact) not a through road so not much traffic. Not going to get jumped by gang-bangers, but I'd feel naked without a gat, so it is usually a cap-N-ball. (sometimes I take a rifle, as no one around here would care if you were packing a MG-42) So yeah, I expect the same reliability out of BP revolvers as I would any other.

Now going into the city 30 miles away...that's a whole other ball of wax.!!!

 

[dickydalton]

Living only 90 miles north of Mexico and next to an airbase that was letting unvetted people leave at will, I am never unarmed anywhere.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I'm about 40ish miles from old Mexico, right in the corridor for the illegals. I'm not real worried when I'm at the house but always armed when out and about.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Yes they are a good outfit, and the go-to place for good authentic flap holsters. (they have non-flappers too) As mentioned, when I first took it out of the box I was a bit put-off by the stiffness and heavy gauge (proper terminology for thickness in leather?) of the leather. I kind of got the impression that it was made years ago, and then sat on a shelf in a very dry environment. But, lots of oil, let it sit in the sun, more oil, sun, oil, etc. and it revived. Lots of oil. So, very happy with it now. I guess in order to wet-form, the leather has to be very dry...duh! But I had to oil it for three or four days, I forget. LOTS of oil!

I think I will have to put some D-rings on it so I can use an over-the-shoulder cross strap with it, as mentioned the pistol in the holster weighs around four pounds. !! I had my SBH set up that way, back in the day, and it worked well. Amazingly, this R&S when loaded weighs two or three ounces more than my SBH when it still had the 7.5" barrel.