Is there another battle rifle as accurate as the AR15 in use right now?

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I was trying to figure this out myself, but having never shot all the fancy plastic/gas piston/modular etc rifles that are coming out lately, I still get the impression that there aren't any as accurate as the AR15 being fielded by major military powers right now. Am I wrong?

Lets assume for these purposes that a good carbine-length AR15 is capable of 1MOA with milspec ammo (mine is).

I know people have all kinds of reasons for not liking ARs, all I am asking about is accuracy.

It has to a standard, carbine-length rifle that is currently being fielded by a military power shooting milspec ammunition. ;)
 
I was thinking more along the lines of an assault rifle I guess. I'm interested to hear about either one but especially the European 5.56 rifles (SCAR, HK416, G36, SIG556, etc).

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One of my Sgts in the Army got to shoot a G36 when he was stationed in Germany. He said they shoot pretty sloppy when they warm up.

The M14 is pretty accurate but I wouldnt say 1 moa. At least not the ones my unit had.
 
The L85A1 and the upgrade to L85A2 are extremely accurate. When issued the British Army had to redesign the quals scoring.

Shorter than an M4 but with a barrel 6" longer
 
The Swiss Arms (known as Sig here, but Sig rifles here are nothing compared to real Swiss Arms rifles, and we have them in Canada) rifles are true battle rifles, will beat an AR on accuracy any day, will beat an AK on reliability any day, it is the only true battle rifle I am aware of right now. Rifle lenght, carbine lenght or CQB lenght, it is still the best.
 
Hard to say bro.

Dead is dead. When you're talking minute of man, battle stress, lives at risk, I'm not so sure anyone is going to question group size. One thing people tend to forget is that it's easy to shoot at a piece of paper that isn't moving, and isn't shooting back at you.

The goal is to eliminate the threat. Any rifle can do that. I think too many people get caught up in the hype around it all because the majority of us who talk about the subject have never looked down the barrel at a man, and most never will. Which honestly is a good thing.

But we talk it to death since we are likely to never see it. God willing.
 
Milspec on the M16 family has been 2MOA during the life of the platform. If it goes beyond 4 MOA and the armorer can do something about it, it might get changed.

Super accuracy at 450 m isn't necessary in combat. At 2 MOA that's about a 9 inch spread. Getting a soldier to shoot that is the challenge in combat. 450 m is a long way off.

Spending the extra for a 4 inch tighter group would increase costs significantly, the Congress and DOD don't want to spend that money on a firearm that will be shot out more than once in it's service life. Target plinking accuracy isn't a combat standard, despite the howls of protest that many may share here.

Military qualification on a Army run range is out to 400 m. Assault fire courses run pop ups from 250 m in to 50m. Urban combat is less than 150 m - usually from room to room.

Moot point which rifle can shoot better - can the soldier using it do that? Usually not.
 
That Swiss Arms 550 really does appear to be the solution to alot of the AR's problems: Wish I had one! I wasn't aware that there were any differences with Swiss Arms and SIG but I wouldn't be surprised:
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In fact there are a lot of differences between real Swiss Arms rifles and Sig rifles you have in the U.S. In Canada we have the real Swiss Arms rifles, the same one the Swiss Army has but better quality and no full-auto. They sell for about $3200, and they are worth every penny.
Sub MOA accuracy, and AK (even more than an AK) reliability.
 
So far not one person has answered my question. "Accurate" doesn't tell me much. I was Asking specifics. And if you've come dispute the AR15s accuracy, cool, but that not at all what I was asking either. We can debate that in another thread. Just curious what kind of groups these Euro rifles are capable of. Nothing else.
 
I can say, having used the L85A1, L85A2, M16A1 and A2, I personally (worth what you paid for it) experienced greater and more consistent accuracy with the L85.

A civilian AR15 with say a Lothar Walther barrel, competition trigger and all the whistles and bells may well provide greater accuracy.

Now though we are talking about two totally different beasts and you are restricted not by the inherent quality of the platform but by the quality of the shooter.
 
My milspec-via-chart AR can keep PMC and UMC ammo under 2MOA in 4-5 shot groups (granted, I'm actually trying for it and using an optic). You guys must have busted ARs if sub-2MOA is a stretch for your AR.
 
First off, the following groups were not shot by me, but someone I know who is currently serving.

Rifle: SA80 A2 Optic: SUSAT 4x Distance: 100m Position: Prone

Ammo: First group - British issue RG 62g

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Ammo: Second group - Swiss RUAG 62g - British MOD training ammo

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