Is there another battle rifle as accurate as the AR15 in use right now?

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Dead is dead. When you're talking minute of man, battle stress, lives at risk, I'm not so sure anyone is going to question group size. One thing people tend to forget is that it's easy to shoot at a piece of paper that isn't moving, and isn't shooting back at you.

The goal is to eliminate the threat. Any rifle can do that. I think too many people get caught up in the hype around it all because the majority of us who talk about the subject have never looked down the barrel at a man, and most never will. Which honestly is a good thing.

Amen, finally some common sense. For combat, the m16 is more than up to the task accuracy wise. The person behind the trigger makes all the difference.
 
Any well known reliability issues with these British rifles?
I have no personal experience with the rifle, but here is some official blurb on the SA80A2...



http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0041.html

Following some severe criticism of the weapons mechanical reliability, the improved SA80A2 was introduced into service during late 2001. Some thirteen changes have been made to the weapon's breech block, gas regulation, firing-pin, cartridge extractor, recoil springs, cylinder and gas plug, hammer, magazine and barrel. Since modification the weapon has been extensively trialled.

In the mean time, before failure (MTBF) figures from the firing trials for stoppages, following rounds fired are as follow:




SA 80A2


LSW

UK (temperate)

SA80
31,500

LSW
16,000

Brunei (hot/wet)

SA80
31,500

LSW
9,600

Kuwait (hot/dry)

SA80
7,875

LSW
8,728

Alaska (cold/dry)

SA80
31,500

LSW
43,200

The first SA 80A2 entered operational service during early 2002 and these weapons were in service across the army by late 2004. The cost of the programme was £92 million and some 200,000 weapons were modified by the time the programme ended in May 2006.

In late 2001 the British Army Combat Shooting Team took part in the Australian Army's skill -at-arms meeting in Brisbane using the new SA 80A2. Teams from eight nations took part in the competition and the British Army team won. The team's SA 80s fired 21,000 rounds in nine days without a stoppage.
 
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Since the upgrade to the A2 variant a variety of issues were addressed including in no particular order

The original furniture had a nasty habit of softening at high temp or with the "wrong" solvent.

There were batch/batches of the sears in the FCG that were incorrectly heat treated leading to the occasional fracture and uncontrolled mag dump.

The original cross throw safety was crappy placky and could be broken with an overly vigorous haul on the trigger

The magwell....oh joy of joys, made out of recycled Coke cans and could be easily dented in the delicate and girlie hand of your basic squaddie.

Mag release being placed perfectly to catch on the webbing at the most inopportune moment

The bolt head is the same cretinous dirt magnet daisy head design of the M16 but nobody though to incorporate the lessons learned with chamfering the lugs etc to cut down on lug fractures

Gas assembly was originally designed for the experimental 4.85x49 round was not re-tuned for the different characteristics of the NATO 5.56

The original mags were suckier than a sucky thing

The H und K refit addressed these and a lot of other niggles and NOW the weapon as the A2 is a lovely little beastie
 
I'm using a 12x scope. I can't touch that with irons. Ammo is XM193. Off my crappy, non-free floated bipod it's 1.5, sandbags it will do an inch maybe an inch and a quarter but I'm not a great shot.

@ those who are debating the importance of accuracy in a combat weapon: Get out of my thread! I just want to know what kind of groups other military rifles can do. Not which one you like for other reasons.
 
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It's annoying but at least it doesn't eject right into your face like a bullpup.
 
Want to see 5.56 accuracy go to hell in a handbasket? Shoot it in variable wind at 300 yards. Makes you a believer in 7.62 in a hurry. I once shot an AR-15 with 55gr rounds at 200-250 yards on a slightly windy day, and was easily 12" off target. You are not going to shoot prairie dogs on a day like that with much consistency.
 
It's annoying but at least it doesn't eject right into your face like a bullpup.

Amen.

I can't even shoot a bullpup. But, I don't notice any issue with other rifles despite my left-hander curse.
 
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