MagnumDweeb
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This has been an idea bothering me for sometime now. I'm only 23 but I wonder about a lot quasi-philosophical ideas. My main cause for wonder stems from a conversation a cousin and I had. I'm a Central Florida born and raised southern boy and he's a Yankee(a former yankee turned southernner) transplant living in Miami. He's a business owner and carries a few guns on him at any given time while at work (a Rossi snubby .38 on the ankle, a Rossi snubby .38 in a pocket, and his 629 or 1911 in an inside waist band holseter). He's only once ever had to shoot someone closing up late at night where a robber forced one of his employees to the back at gunpoint and he shot him in the side of the head with his .38 while he was otherwise distracted.
But he also carries likewise when he's at 'home' which is a reputed less than safe part of town. He goes jogging in the evening and morning when he's at home (takes a Parahawg .45 and .38 snubby he tells me) and from what I've seen of the place those few times I've gone down to see him, it's not somwhere I would want to jog around at night. It also happens we are both fans of Charles Bronson (Magnificent Seven, Death Wish (all five movies, the third got a little hokey at the end), etc. etc.). I asked him flat out a couple of days ago during the AMC movie marathon if he thought he was being a Charles Bronson type. After some back-and-forth discussion it came down to self-defense and could it be premeditated. We both came to the conclusion it couldn't.
We thought it couldn't because we as law abidding citizens are endowed with the God given right to be free from the assaults and molestations of those who would break the law to do us harm. Now granted I certainly think that's a correct philosophical and logical stance but when the law comes into play, what is logical is not always right. I'm not talking about vigilantism because the work of crime stopping should be left to the professionals otherwise things could get right dangerous. My biggest concern would be some liberal Yankee southern occupier (Yankee who moves south but keeps touting how great the north is, yet they stay in the south) DA holding me up in court as some kind of vigilantee looking to victimise murderers( I throw muggers in there who use weapons capable of killing people) and rapists while they were in the commission of their heinous acts. I know that sounds ludicrous but after reading CHG and the 'Beating Rambo Rap' and another bit about how you have to argue hollow points in order to avoid the insane and baseless accusations of the prosecutor, I think it is quite possible. Plus as a law school student (the good kind) I've found a number of cases out of New York City, California, Maryland, Michigan, and Illinois that are just plain absurd.
I bascially feel that the incorrect and baseless interpretations of our lesser patriotic brethren makes our rights to the pursuit of life, liberty, and property, come at a premium or unjust restraint. What if I want to buy a cheap house in a high crime neighborhood and fix it up, what if I want to sit on my porch at night and videotape the dope dealers and send the tapes off to the cops and hope for some arrests and avoid embarrassing the cops by putting the tapes on youtube and sending them to the media? What if I want to be able to walk down the street with some pepper spray and one of my .44 Magnums and snubby .357s or .45 autos. Would I then be unjustly labeled a criminal when the dope dealer stepped onto my porch and threatened me with a knife or gun and as I genuinely feared for my life and I shot him? Would I then unjustly be labeled a criminal when some idiot with a gun trys to hold me up at gunpoint while I'm walking down the street and again genuinely fearing for my life I shoot him?
I realize we, the patriots, are starting to make the subtle march back to liberty and the American spirit, but there are some questions I think we need to ask and work to discover otherwise we risk loosing the ground we've gained. Those antis we can't win over, we must at least walk quietly around and otherwise work to lawfully ostracise their otherwise treachorous ideas and conduct.
And no not all northernners are yankees, my grandpa was an upstate New Yorker and plenty the country boy and patriot before he came south in the eighties. My roomate is a New Hampshire citizen and we find plenty in common with our beliefs of patriotizm and justice.
But he also carries likewise when he's at 'home' which is a reputed less than safe part of town. He goes jogging in the evening and morning when he's at home (takes a Parahawg .45 and .38 snubby he tells me) and from what I've seen of the place those few times I've gone down to see him, it's not somwhere I would want to jog around at night. It also happens we are both fans of Charles Bronson (Magnificent Seven, Death Wish (all five movies, the third got a little hokey at the end), etc. etc.). I asked him flat out a couple of days ago during the AMC movie marathon if he thought he was being a Charles Bronson type. After some back-and-forth discussion it came down to self-defense and could it be premeditated. We both came to the conclusion it couldn't.
We thought it couldn't because we as law abidding citizens are endowed with the God given right to be free from the assaults and molestations of those who would break the law to do us harm. Now granted I certainly think that's a correct philosophical and logical stance but when the law comes into play, what is logical is not always right. I'm not talking about vigilantism because the work of crime stopping should be left to the professionals otherwise things could get right dangerous. My biggest concern would be some liberal Yankee southern occupier (Yankee who moves south but keeps touting how great the north is, yet they stay in the south) DA holding me up in court as some kind of vigilantee looking to victimise murderers( I throw muggers in there who use weapons capable of killing people) and rapists while they were in the commission of their heinous acts. I know that sounds ludicrous but after reading CHG and the 'Beating Rambo Rap' and another bit about how you have to argue hollow points in order to avoid the insane and baseless accusations of the prosecutor, I think it is quite possible. Plus as a law school student (the good kind) I've found a number of cases out of New York City, California, Maryland, Michigan, and Illinois that are just plain absurd.
I bascially feel that the incorrect and baseless interpretations of our lesser patriotic brethren makes our rights to the pursuit of life, liberty, and property, come at a premium or unjust restraint. What if I want to buy a cheap house in a high crime neighborhood and fix it up, what if I want to sit on my porch at night and videotape the dope dealers and send the tapes off to the cops and hope for some arrests and avoid embarrassing the cops by putting the tapes on youtube and sending them to the media? What if I want to be able to walk down the street with some pepper spray and one of my .44 Magnums and snubby .357s or .45 autos. Would I then be unjustly labeled a criminal when the dope dealer stepped onto my porch and threatened me with a knife or gun and as I genuinely feared for my life and I shot him? Would I then unjustly be labeled a criminal when some idiot with a gun trys to hold me up at gunpoint while I'm walking down the street and again genuinely fearing for my life I shoot him?
I realize we, the patriots, are starting to make the subtle march back to liberty and the American spirit, but there are some questions I think we need to ask and work to discover otherwise we risk loosing the ground we've gained. Those antis we can't win over, we must at least walk quietly around and otherwise work to lawfully ostracise their otherwise treachorous ideas and conduct.
And no not all northernners are yankees, my grandpa was an upstate New Yorker and plenty the country boy and patriot before he came south in the eighties. My roomate is a New Hampshire citizen and we find plenty in common with our beliefs of patriotizm and justice.
