Is This REALLY Necessary ?

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Carry crossed bandoleers with 40 or more magazines. Adopt a bandito look and you won't need a firearm!
Seriously....I always ask myself, "Is 7 rounds enough?". Then I ask myself, "would an extra 6 rounds in a spare mag be enough?"...Then, "Would 12 extra rounds in two spare mags be enough?"...Then, "Would 18 extra rounds in three spare mags be enough?"...Then, "Would 24 extra rounds in four spare mags be enough?".
I dunno....my crystal balls are not revealing anything.
I carry only to get me and mine away from trouble, not to engage in a prolonged firefight. So I carry 6 rounds in the mag, a 7th in the chamber, and do everything in my power to avoid using them....except at the range.
Jack
 
I don't carry spare magazines in the hopes that the police will arrive before I finish the one or I'm as good a shot as I think I am. :)
 
I use an Uncle Mike's clip on pouch and it tends to stick out of my shirt,get caught on car doors ( mostly because I'm fat) and stick me in the back when I sit down. any suggestions ?
Yeah, move it to your hip. It will be a lot less noticeable and won't catch on nearly as much stuff there. If you have too much love handle for it to fit comfortably, it's time for side bends and sit-ups.
 
I dont carry a spare mag but keep on in the truck. When I go hiking or backpacking then I toss in my double mag carrier with 2 extras. Mags are the weakpoint thats true. Personally think you might be better with a BUG than an extra mag but I dont carry either.

Also, I am not an LEO but am in the process to become one. In many conversations I have had with LEO's some have shared the sentiment that they think CCW's might have MORE reason than LEO's for extra ammo. This is because many LEO involved shooting have the best availible option ANOTHER OFFICER. In Portland LEO's carry a Glock 17 with 17rnd mags. They also are required to have 2 spare mags. 17x3=51+1 in the pipe =52.
 
I took the clip thingy ( that's a high tech range commando term) off the magizine pouch and threaded my belt through the belt loop & it made a world of difference I don't wear "tactical" clothing ( As I told DW when she reccomended BDUs for work clothes " If I wanted to wear that crap to work I would have re-enlisted) . jeans , untucked Dickies & one of those flannel jacket thingies & really W/out the clip on the pouch looks like I'm carrying a Buck knife. Let you all know how it works out
 
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It isn't about the number of rounds you have on tap... oh, and if you ever need more than 13 rounds, I sure hope I'm a loooooooong way away from that situation! :neener:

I say, carry a spare if you think you'll need to (and could) clear a malfunction while involved in an extended gun battle. If you're confident in your firearm, and 13 is enough, I'd take a chance and leave the spare at home.

But what do I know.... I carry a 5 shot revolver.
 
You could save gas money by leaving your spare tire at home, the odds are probably pretty good that you will never need it.
 
My regular carry used to be a revolver

I was carrying a 642 and 6 spare rounds on a speed strip. Then this happened.

On the street I live on and walk my dog on, a group of college students was robbed by 2 carloads of thugs with at least 2 firearms. One shotgun, one .357. revolver. The cars rolled up on them from both directions. One of the students struggled for the shotgun and was shot twice by the revolver. He survived, and is expected to recover, but it was a close thing, 2 rounds in the chest. The rest were robbed. The assailants were caught in a few days, and it has yet to go to trial.

Now I carry a compact Springfield XD in .45acp and a second magazine. I don't know what necessary means any more. Might be more than I'll ever need, might not be nearly enough.
 
You can't win a gun fight by running out of bullets, but you can sure lose one. I say do whatever you can live with....literally!
 
perhaps it is better to have and not need rather than need and not have.

OTOH, it is rare that you would need to shoot someone or something in the normal course of your day. if not carrying the extra mag makes you more likely to carry the gun, maybe you are better off with just the gun.
 
I was told by an twice deployed officer that the only time you can have too much ammo is when you're on fire or swimming.

I try to always carry one reload.

If it's the snubbie, I carry six more rounds in a ammo wallet from M & M. This an opaque plastic case, so you can take it out of your pocket and no one will "make" you.

If it's the Glock 26, I carry another magazine in a Blackie Collins pounch. This pouch has a big flap that completely covers the mag, so you can't see the mag at all. It also has straps for both horizontal and vertical carry, and sometimes I just stick it in a pocket.
 
I always carry an extra mag for the reliability issue, even though I've never had a FTF or FTE with the one mag that came with the gun.

The other day I shot four Preeble's Jumping Mice and felt naked most of the rest of the day with only 3 rounds left in the regular mag. I finally had the bright idea to replenish the regular mag from the spare mag in case I ran into any more of the Preeble's Jumping Mice and I felt much better the rest of the day.

But seriously, folks, one day I forgot to cram a mag in my regular carry weapon before I left the house, but had the spare to stick in there when I discovered the error later.

An extra mag? As they say, it's not the odds.... it's the stakes that count.
 
I'm a believer in the spare mag....but that's really common with people who carry compact, low capacity single stacks.



Close your eyes. Remember the last time you went to the range to practice shooting.

Is five seconds worth of ammo enough?
 
what "IF" you jam and need to slap in a fresh mag?
or if your ONLY mag drops out.
you might only have one shot in a fight.
if u can carry the spare.
 
My question is do I really need to carry a spare magazine

You might want to get your hands on the March 2008 issue of Combat Handguns magazine. Massad Ayoob addresses your question in his Self-Defense & The Law article he writes for 'em. Article is Beating The "Rambo" Rap.
 
I carry a spare mag.... purely for peace of mind.... but the chances I'd ever need it are slim to none.

Chances are even with a 5 shot snubby you wouldn't need to reload.... so with a 10-15 shot semi-auto it's even smaller....

but I find that I don't really feel it is a hassle if I'm already carrying a gun, folder knife, and a surefire flashlight... so why not?

short answer - no, you don't need it.... but isn't it nice to have it just in case? I'm curious as to why you're getting made because of the mag... do you wear tight shirts or something?
 
Close your eyes. Remember the last time you went to the range to practice shooting.

Brilliant. I am going to steal that line.

One magazine is zero magazine. Always have redundancy.
 
i did when i carried a OMC 380 and a 9mm p11; both in a leatherman. the 380 in a small and the 9 in a modified medium ( relocate the snap ).
dont any more for my p239~40 & 642 BUG.

if there's more than 4 of them, i'll ask em nice to line up by two's
 
Not likely to be a definitive answer forthcoming.

Not one which receives a consensus, anyway.

My thoughts?

I carry a spare magazine.

Why?

Well, as others have already mentioned, the fastest and probably best way to resolve a magazine-related problem is with another magazine.

Think "It can't happen to me"? Hope you're right. Not my business, though.

I can offer the observation that over the course of many years of working our range, having watched a fair number of folks run through qualifications courses (both LE & CCW folks) I've seen a number of folks experience 'problems' which could have quickly been resolved with a fresh magazine ... and it's not just because their primary magazine ran dry, either.

Risk assessment and informed choice. Predictable is preventable. With the ability to make a choice comes the potential for exposing oneself to consequences. Etc., Etc..

Now, personally speaking, I have a caveat to my single spare magazine comment.

On-duty, working plainclothes, I generally carry a single spare, although I have an additional single AND a double spare magazine carrier (3 loaded magazines) available in my car, as well as a couple of boxes of spare ammunition. (Sometimes I'll choose to carry the double magazine carrier depending on my case activities.)

My uniform gun belt gear includes a triple magazine carrier. I've used double & quad carriers, as well.

Off-duty, it depends what weapon I'm carrying, the nature of my planned activities and how far I'll be from home. I'll at least carry a single spare magazine. Sometimes a couple. Just depends. The potential for needing the available ammunition is of about equal concern to having the ability to restore function should a magazine problem occur. FWIW, I carefully examine, clean and maintain my magazines ... but I wouldn't want to bet my life on ANY magazine being "MURPHY Proof", either.

Where & how do I carry the spare magazines? Lots of choices when it comes to gear selection. How well those gear choices fit any individual's needs and carry preferences (cover garments, for example) are best determined by the individual.

In my case, sometimes it's in belt carriers and sometimes it's in jacket pockets. FWIW, I also train to reach and access additional magazines from both my belt and my off-side pockets.

For those folks who would point out that this is a potential issue which could introduce confusion under stress ... you'll get no argument from me. I agree.

That's why I've trained that way a fair amount over the years. When I used to carry a service revolver I trained to reach for duty jacket pockets or pants pockets in the event I exhausted my belt's double speedloader ammunition load. This practice seemed a good idea to continue even after I transitioned to an issued 'high capacity' pistol, and that was about 18 years ago.

Kind of like how I've learned to perform a variety of movements and techniques under stress over the course of the last 37 years of my martial arts involvement. Depends on the circumstances of the moment.

Revolvers? Different situation. I generally carry at least a couple of speedstrips or speedloaders, if not more. Old habits.

Just my thoughts.

Oh, one additional comment.

I've long since ceased to be surprised by the low number of CCW folks who consider bringing a spare magazine to a CCW qualification range, and are baffled when they encounter magazine problems, often claiming to have never experienced such a problem. Wanna guess how many of the CCW folks in general claim to carry ANY spare magazines or ammunition? :scrutiny:

Hey, their choice ...
 
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After I took the clip of the pouch the problem went away, the clip let the pouch flop around which is why it was so obvious that it was there with the problem resolved I will be carrying the spare mag
 
Do what's comfortable. Having a gun is miles ahead of having no gun. The spare mag is probably another 200 meters. You may or may not need it. You decide.

Personally, I wouldn't carry an extra mag if it shows too much or if it's too uncomfortable to pull off.

By the way, cops are civilians. I read later that's not what the OP meant, but it wasn't clear from the OP. This response is not necessarily directed toward the OP.
 
Better to have and not need, than need and not have

I'll tell you like the police academy intstructors told me.

You may not need the extra for a reload, but if you have a malfunction, it may come in handy.

You will likely never need 1 round, much less a magazine, however you just might.

It would be an inconvenient time to discover something was wrong with your feed lips and end up with a phase II malfunction (double feed).

You never know what you will do under stress until you do it. I know a quite knowledgable shooter that heard something by his trash can one night. He went out with 1911 in hand, at the ready. A rat ran out, giving him quite a start!
He dropped the magazine. He doesn't know why, he just did.

Had someone been there ready to kill him, and the magazine went, say...in a storm drain, a spare would be nice.

I have been in situations that I presented my firearm and did it with gusto and got there first with the most, and they, invariably found something else to do.

I was a Boy Scout and our thing was "always be prepared.":D

BTW - I'm 47 and have yet to fire one round in self defense.
 
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