Is your dog gun shy?

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Ivy Mike

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Just out of curiosity. I know we've got plenty of dog owners on the board and many people consider their dogs to be part of their home security package. I know my two (beagle and APBT) certainly work great as alarms, but I've never fired guns around them. Had a golden retriever that would actually run away when you carried a long gun around.

Anyone ever taken their dogs shooting? Were they scared, angry, indifferent?
 
My cats have never seen or heard a fired gun, but they sure do like to sniff the muzzles! :p

Sorry, nothing helpful to add though.
 
Cheers,

We had a Golden/Irish mix that was hunted too young and was terrified of guns. When I would bring out a rifle to clean, he'd go hide behind the couch until I put the rifle up.

Only later in his life did he get used to them - he'd sit next to me when I shot my smoke poles, but when the bolt gun came out - he was 20 feet behind me.

BUT - he was great around helicopters! I'd land and do the "cool down", he'd be sitting by which ever skid toe was closest to me. Never jumped at the tail-rotor, ran around like a nut or act like 99% of the other dogs.

He was also the best "motel dog" I've ever had. Quiet, polite, very curtious to any visitor to the room - especially the maids. We'd stay in motels that were "no pets allowed", I prepay a penalty charge, get it back when we checked out - and damned if 6 weeks later, we'd get a post card from the motel inviting HIM back again - didn't say anything about me or the wife!!:D

Gentle winds,
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At home on the farm, My dad's got two dogs, a female chow mix, and a male rottweiler mix. The rottweiler runs for the house when the shooting starts, or stands beside me depending on noise level. The chow, however, makes a habit of trying to track down every bullet fired!! I usually shoot suppressed pistols, so I can hear where the bullet went, and so does she!

Dan
 
I have a lab. I started shooting around her at 8 weeks of age. She has never flinched. I have a german shepard about 5 months old. Did the same thing and she has never flinched. They both just look alert to see what I am shooting and if they need to fetch or check it out. 4 Cats that could care less.
 
Had Springers that would get MAD if you brought a long gun out and didn't take them along.. great hunters, never gunshy. I think we got them used to it by taking them plinking as pups. They'd even sit on the lawn with us and watch as we set off BIG fireworks.

Now have a beagle that shys away from bubblewrap being popped.

Nature vs. Nurture? Springers are gun dogs, beagles are on this earth to howl, dig holes and take things that don't belong to them.

A dog can be MADE gunshy by being mistreated. We had a dog run away for a few days that loved to hunt and go 'plinking' like our Springers, when we found her a few days later she was suddenly afraid of guns. My guess is some kid popped her with a bb gun. :cuss: She got over it, but it took time.
 
Dr. Rob...

You just described the english setters I had growing up. Very, very upset when the safe got oppened up and they did not get to go out.
 
My golden retriever is indifferent to the presence of guns, but as he flips out and hides if a big box hits the ground, I'm not taking him shooting in the near future. If he can't handle the vacuum, he can't handle a rifle.

Our terrier is a different story altogether. He's very friendly and very sociable, but whenever he hears me operate the action on any one of my guns, he starts barking and runs over to me. Won't stop barking until I put the gun down. All my guns get this reaction, but he's much more intense when it involves one specific airsoft gun, a Glock copy.

Can't figure out what his deal is. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
 
I have a black lab/golden retriever mix puppy (about 2-3 months old) that I plan on taking shooting with me soon. Don't know if I'll turn her into a hunting dog, but I'd rather her get used to gunshots now. Good puppy, just craps a lot.
 
The dogs that we had growing up- golden retrievers, springers, and a water spaniel, would all go nuts if you got the shotgun out of the cabinet- they couldn't wait to go hunting.

We'd get them used to gun fire by taking them to the trap range while shooting is going on, take them out and walk them starting 75-100 yards from the shooting line where the reports from the guns are not so harsh. Walk them around for a little, bit, maybe take them closer depending on how they react, give them encouraging words and pieces of hotdogs to keep them comfortable and happy.
 
Get a starter pistol and a box of blanks and when ever you're outside playing around with the pup, start shooting it while acting like nothing is wrong.
 
i have a black lab(11 months), who hung out frequently when i was shooting .22 this summer. not bothered by the gunfire, but freaked out at the flying brass. strangely, she starts barking and getting into defense mode when i get out handgun. i always shoot my friend across the living room with an airsoft gun, and she loses it:)(note: i would only ever shoot a human with an airsoft gun:evil: )
 
I adopted a mutt/Shepherd mix 2 years ago, and guns freak him out. Everytime I clean them he finds somewhere to hide, and just forget dry firing them.

Good dog though.
 
This thread is worthless without pics;)

My lab doesn't like hanging around when we've got weapons out, but we don't hunt, so it doesn't matter aside from making me curious as to "why".

He won't even go down to the basement where the "armory" is--theories on that are either the open sided staircase (which previous lab had no problem with) or psyschological "traces" of the other dog--months after he had to be put down, we found his pawprints barely etched into the concrete, probably from stepping in solvent and tracking it around--he was always underfoot when we were cleaning guns (we'd left him alone for a couple hours while we were shooting and he was happy we came back):(
 
That's why I decided on a Brittany. Saw a pup at our gun club and she was so eager to go over to the wonderful noise and see what it was, her front feet were off the ground pulling on her leash...

took my guy there to listen to the trap shooters, and he just wants to run over and sit by them... when pheasant hunting, he's so locked into the birds that he doesn't notice the gun.

having said that - had a lab that was so gunshy he'd run if he saw a gun. I don't think the effort is worth it to try and break a dog of it, either. better to keep as a pet, or get rid of, and start over with another dog... jmho.
 
Does an 80 pound dog disappearing and hiding under the back seat of the pickup count as being gun shy? She just goes crazy and hugs as close as she possibly can to you if you get bring a gun out of the house for some reason...as far as I know she's never seen a handgun fired, but it has the same effect as a rifle does on her...
 
I've trained Schutzhind Sport for many years, which requires the dogs to "work" (doing obedience routine) while there is gun fired across the field. . None* have ever shown the slightest distraction when the guns go off. (In fact, with hunting season in full swing around me, they keep getting "cranked up" to work, as they associate gunfire with work/play.)

We did have a dog that had a strange reaction to gun fire. She was OK with a .22 starter pistol shooting "crimps"---no reaction. But once, I couldn't find any crimps, so I bought regular "blanks" which are louder. When I fired the blank while she was working, she immediately spun and lit up on me, even though she'd never had a problem with the crimps....We finally figured out that she had been trained using a whip (not beaten, just stimulated by the crack, as some trainers do)....Apparently the blanks sounded more like the "crack" of the whip than the crimps. we did finally get her used to them through de-sensitization. And we never used a whip (wasn't needed with this dog) for stimulation.

* We also had a dog, that "flunked out" of police training, because he was gun shy. Used to freak out during thunderstorms, too. (Tore our bedroom door apart once, when no one was home, so he could go hide in the basement, which is what he usually did during thunderstorms). We were never able to de-sensitize him. I personally feel that there a small percentage of dogs that are inherently gunshy (seen some others as well), and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. But, many will respond to desensitizion techniques.

P.S. Late in life, I had a male GSD, that decided he LIKED thunderstorms...He would go nuts until I let him outside, where he would sit in the middle of the yard, in the pouring rain, and just watch whatever was going on. Weird.
 
You can use a dog's hunger at mealtime to help prevent or overcome gunshyness. It's going to take longer with an already gun-shy dog, or with a dog that is particularly sensitive to noise, but it will work for most dogs if you keep at it.

This method will work best if you're feeding a dry dog food, but it can be done with moist as well. Measure out the portion of food that the dog would ordinarily eat at its next upcoming meal. Take dog and gun somewhere you can fire and still keep dog safe while doing it. (Blank pistol will work best for this early training. if you don't have one and don't want to buy one, use a .22 or similar round. Leave the shotguns and centerfire rifles at home until much later in the training.) If you're using live ammunition, this is going to have to be at a range with no one else on it, or some other safe-to-shoot location that you can control totally.

Leave the dog in your vehicle or house while you set up. Spread out the food pieces on the ground at a place where you can watch the dog while you fire. Bring dog and gun to that place. Release dog and let it start scrounging for the pieces. Move as far from dog as you can and still keep control of the entire situation. When the dog has taken a few pieces of food, fire one round.

At this point, one of two things will happen. A young dog that is not gunshy and never will be will probably look at you, maybe back off a bit, and then resume scrounging. We will call this dog "Alpha." For Alpha, wait a couple minutes while it scrounges and then continue to fire a single round at a time, very widely spaced, until the dog is done eating. Stop firing. End of session # 1.

Repeat with Alpha at the next mealtime if possible, or at least within the next couple of days. When Alpha is utterly oblivious to the gun, amp up the rounds to whatever you'll be using for hunting with the dog. Start far away and work your way in to the dog with each new type of round. When the dog is oblivious to the hunting rounds while it scrounges, at any proximity to the gun, you're done with gunshyness training.

But if the dog ran off at the first round on the first day, or showed other signs of fearfulness that prevented it from eating, you'll need to proceed much slower. We will call this dog "Omega." Put the gun in a safe place away from you, out of sight if it frightens the dog by its mere presence. Encourage the dog to resume scrounging. Wait until it's well into the food. Pick up the gun and sit with it somewhere near the dog. You want the dog to start learning that the gun is no threat and that its presence actually is linked to the food. If the dog resumes scrounging, move far away and fire a single round. If dog shows substantial fear or anxiety from this second round, stop firing, put the gun away out of sight, and let the dog clean up. End of session #1 with Omega.

At the second training session with Omega, hold the unloaded gun but do no firing until the dog is about halfway through the scrounged meal. If the dog trembles or otherwise shows anxiety at the mere sight of the gun, put the gun on the ground at some distance but where the dog can see it lying there. Encourage the dog to resume scrounging until it is done eating. (You might have to sit among the dog food to show that it's safe to resume eating.) End of session # 2.

Now you will proceed very slowly with Omega, session by session with the unloaded gun. When the dog watches the gun occasionally while you carry it but seems fairly calm, move far away, load and and fire a single round. It might take a few sessions to get to this point, particularly with a dog that is already gunshy when you start.

By now you should be reading the dog fairly well and know how to proceed, based on the dog's reaction to the single fired round. When Omega can finish a meal without displaying anxiety, while you fire very widely spaced rounds, amp up the rounds to whatever you'll be using for hunting with the dog. Start far away and work your way in to the dog with each new type of round while it scrounges for the food pieces. When the dog is oblivious to the hunting rounds, at any proximity to the gun, you're done.

Yes, it may take a lot of time to get this done with an Omega. Don't rush things just because you start with an Alpha, either. This process will result in a dog that can accompany you in the field without fear of the gun. It is going to work best if there's no between-meal snacking provided by anybody in your house. As much as possible, feed only during the training routine, until there is no gunshyness.

Before you start hunting training with the dog, you may need to break the association between food and gun that you have worked so hard to accomplish. This is because eventually you want the dog looking for birds or bunnies, not food pieces, when the gun is being used. If the dog seems to be fixated on food scrounging when you're out with the gun, ignore the dog and fire some occasional rounds with the dog present. If you've done your gunshy work well, the dog will eventually get bored with the gun sound, and you can move on to hunting training in front of the gun.
 
Although this doesn't sound like a good idea, what if you just tie the dog up and fire several hundred rounds? Wouldn't the dog eventually get used to the gunshots?
 
German shorthairs. Born on a private upland game hunting club. Thier mother was hunting while they were in the womb. The whepling pen was in the clubhouse right next to the skeet range.

They went out when the FBMG crew did the machine gun shoot a couple months ago.

So, they are good to go with loud noises.
 
Although this doesn't sound like a good idea, what if you just tie the dog up and fire several hundred rounds? Wouldn't the dog eventually get used to the gunshots?

You're right, it's not a good idea. It will permanently ruin the dog for shooting, and it will probably do serious damage to it psychologically in general. It belongs in the same dustbin as "throw the dog in the water to teach it to swim."
 
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