Israel now arming civilians after Hamas attack

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I'm sure all of you are aware of the atrocities that were committed in Israel this week, mostly on civilians with no method or means to defend themselves. I have seen videos which I will not link because of the gruesome content, but that also shows that the Israeli government is arming qualified civilians with military rifles in certain towns, mostly with mixed Israeli/Arab populations. So far they have distributed 4000 rifles; saying they anticipate giving out at least 6000 more.

www.timesofisrael.com

Ben Gvir’s ministry to buy 10,000 guns for civilian security teams

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www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

In the last 24 hours there has also been a huge surge in interest in relaxing Israel's gun ownership laws.

www.timesofisrael.com

As Hamas war rages, personal firearm activists see surge in interest

Online petition to ease gun permit rules gains 22,000 signatures in 24 hours
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

Do you think this atrocity will help change the minds of those on the fence about private firearm ownership in the US and other Western countries like New Zealand, Australia, England, et al with large immigrant populations? I know the leftists gun grabbers have the motto of never letting a crisis go to waste. Do you think in this instance gun advocates will be able to organically leverage this travesty into support for more private gun ownership?
 
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citizenconn said:
Do you think this atrocity will help change the minds of those on the fence about private firearm ownership in the US and other Western countries like New Zealand, Australia, England, et al with large immigrant populations? I know the leftists gun grabbers have the motto of never letting a crisis go to waste. Do you think in this instance gun advocates will be able to organically leverage this travesty into support for more private gun ownership?
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No, facts and reality are the enemy to idiots…
 
Having a rifle is only half of the equation. Training is the other.

The attack was a coordinated terror attack of people that prepared for it. Coordinated defense against many armed assailants would require training, and not just some training. It is not just about taking up field positions and having marksman skills but working together as a group.
 
CDW4ME said:
Reactive. Something bad happened now we need guns to protect ourself.
Similar to those that don't carry in a "good area" but after something happens they think maybe they should carry. Reactive.
Being proactive about self defense apparently aint a thing for some people (or countries).
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Same happened here is Seattle 2020’s Chaz/Chop defund this & that… not one drop of guns left in the shops, I’m talking Colt SAA we being bought up for defensive weapons by all of Seattle… fast forward 3 years, and they want to band everything again.
 
PzGren said:
Having a rifle is only half of the equation. Training is the other.

The attack was a coordinated terror attack of people that prepared for it. Coordinated defense against many armed assailants would require training, and not just some training. It is not just about taking up field positions and having marksman skills but working together as a group.
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You are totally correct, but if everyone was at least armed, some people would have had a chance to fight back successfully. That's what we all tell ourselves here.
 
citizenconn said:
Do you think this atrocity will help change the minds of those on the fence about private firearm ownership in the US and other Western countries like New Zealand, Australia, England, et al with large immigrant populations? I know the leftists gun grabbers have the motto of never letting a crisis go to waste. Do you think in this instance gun advocates will be able to organically leverage this travesty into support for more private gun ownership?
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Absolutely not. Our Rulers are afraid of being shot by the proles. Our Liberal elites want to eliminate the ability of the under classes to defend themselves from the Government. That way they will be able to create a police state.

Just this week Hillary Clinton called for deprogramming of MAGA Cult members. That may be difficult if MAGA has guns.
 
It’s just amazing Israel didn’t see this coming. Must have been world class planning and execution by the bad guys to pull off something SO big and effective. (sadly) But at least now they can throw 10 thousand rifles at civilians. Things are so ugly over there, I’m surprised the civilians weren’t already armed.
 
citizenconn said:
Do you think in this instance gun advocates will be able to organically leverage this travesty into support for more private gun ownership?
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Do you think that anti gun advocates will be able to organically leverage this travesty (committed with guns) into support for banning private gun ownership?

There's two edges to any sword, so it is important to realize it cuts both ways.
 
NO, the antigun people in general will not admit that the state cannot protect them. Individuals may change their minds but politician in office would have to admit they failed to turn to the armed citizen. Also, many of them are cowards who cannot conceive of defending themselves. Let the lower SES police risk their lives for their elite behinds.
 
PzGren said:
Having a rifle is only half of the equation. Training is the other.

The attack was a coordinated terror attack of people that prepared for it. Coordinated defense against many armed assailants would require training, and not just some training. It is not just about taking up field positions and having marksman skills but working together as a group.
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TominBoise: You are totally correct, but if everyone was at least armed, some people would have had a chance to fight back successfully. That's what we all tell ourselves here.
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The Gentle Readers should probably note this:
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nypost.com

Israeli woman, 25, hailed as a hero for killing terrorists, leading team that saved kibbutz from Hamas

The Hamas was no match for the 25-year-old woman — who saved an entire kibbutz from harm by leading a team of residents who killed more than 20 advancing terrorists.
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> Inbar Lieberman rushed to open the armory, distributed guns to the 12-member
>security team and coordinated their decisive response amid the unfolding attack.

It would appear that while the weapons were not initially in the hands of the
defenders, there was at least the concept of a trained citizen militia at hand....

Shades of the `48 war
 
Between Ukraine and Israel, anti gun politicians lost all the teeth in their argument. To those paying attention. Ukraine got invaded. And the Russians likely would have dealt less death during the initial phase if the citizenry had been armed. It is hard to predict what would have happened. But a few million people armed in eastern Ukraine probably would have changed things. Same in Israel and the Hamas attacked. How many less hostages would there be? How many families would have one or two people in a house dead, but other people in the family pick up the Tavor off the wall and shoot back? Probably would have changed the outcomes for a lot of families. But, can never know for sure.
 
Hartkopf said:
It’s just amazing Israel didn’t see this coming. Must have been world class planning and execution by the bad guys to pull off something SO big and effective. (sadly) But at least now they can throw 10 thousand rifles at civilians. Things are so ugly over there, I’m surprised the civilians weren’t already armed.
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I'm sure many were.
In Israel, especially in sensitive areas like the Gaza border, there is: regular army, soldiers on leave with their guns, the Haga civil defense organization, various police forces, as well as private citizens with licensed (or unlicensed) firearms. In addition all/most settlements (kibbutzim and moshavs) have on-site armories. Unfortunately in this case, there was no warning, complete surprise, and no ability to rapidly follow any defense planning.
At various times, I was all the above, except for Haga.
 
PzGren said:
Having a rifle is only half of the equation. Training is the other.

The attack was a coordinated terror attack of people that prepared for it. Coordinated defense against many armed assailants would require training, and not just some training. It is not just about taking up field positions and having marksman skills but working together as a group.
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It kind of depends on the situation. I’ve read a few stories where small groups going door to door killing and taking hostages. Give grandma a gun and she has a better chance at defending herself versus nothing.
 
Hartkopf said:
It’s just amazing Israel didn’t see this coming. Must have been world class planning and execution by the bad guys to pull off something SO big and effective. (sadly) But at least now they can throw 10 thousand rifles at civilians. Things are so ugly over there, I’m surprised the civilians weren’t already armed.
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This thread hasn't been locked yet???

Israel's national security people didn't see this coming for the same reason the US FBI, CIA, DOJ, and even the military wouldn't see a similar thing coming here; they are too busy interfering with internal politics and helping the liberal side of the political spectrum promote their agenda and undermine their conservative political enemies to bother monitoring external threats. Don't worry. Ours is coming as well.
 
Mark_Mark said:
don’t forget feelings too
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Feelings and emotion don’t always create the best situation for rational decisions.

Like this one. The ”good” idea, would have already had in place an armed population that had been shooting since they were children.

This is not even a “closing the barn door after the horses got out“ move. It’s more like throwing the materials to build a door at the populations feet and “hoping” on the best…
 
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PzGren said:
Having a rifle is only half of the equation. Training is the other.

The attack was a coordinated terror attack of people that prepared for it. Coordinated defense against many armed assailants would require training, and not just some training. It is not just about taking up field positions and having marksman skills but working together as a group.
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I’m all for training, but armed folks fighting for their kids is a better than 50% improvement over unarmed victims.
 
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