revjen45
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Is a sword cane legal where you live? Cold Steel makes some nice ones.
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JohnnyBravo
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Either get some of the MACE brand spray that is 50/50 OC and CN or get a canister of real MACE.
Start hosing the dog down from the tail forward so you can empty as much of the canister ass possible on the animal before he realizes that you own him.
When the dog runs back inside he'll fumigate the entire residence.
Start hosing the dog down from the tail forward so you can empty as much of the canister ass possible on the animal before he realizes that you own him.
When the dog runs back inside he'll fumigate the entire residence.
.45StayAlive
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I would suggest a strong pepper spray in your weak hand and a 4 cell Maglight in your strong hand. Then you've got the best of both worlds. You can pepper the dog before it gets within biting range, and then if that doesn't work, you can cave in its skull with the Maglite. (To one and all: please do not be offended by what I wrote - I LOVE dogs and in fact got bitten pretty bad trying to rescue a stray chow last month, yet I still will do everything I can when I encounter a lost dog to capture it and get it to a shelter - but a large dog can kill a person if it wants to, so if you're being attacked by one, lethal force is not only justified, but prudent)
I recommend the UDAP brand of pepper spray. The UDAP Company was founded by a man who survived a Grizzly Bear attack, so he is very interested in providing the best possible product!
In particular, their "Clip-On Commander" would be great for you. It can be clipped onto your belt or waistband, and it is VERY hot stuff with 15% OC in it. Here's the URL for it:
https://store.udap.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=P&Product_Code=1&Category_Code=PS
As for legalities, the Maglite is a flashlight and as such should be legal to carry. The fact that it can cave the skull in of an attacker whether canine or human is just an incidental advantage...
I got the idea for the Maglite as a self defence "enlightenment weapon" (my own nickname) from Massood Ayoob's excellent book about self-protection.
Best wishes,
John
I recommend the UDAP brand of pepper spray. The UDAP Company was founded by a man who survived a Grizzly Bear attack, so he is very interested in providing the best possible product!
In particular, their "Clip-On Commander" would be great for you. It can be clipped onto your belt or waistband, and it is VERY hot stuff with 15% OC in it. Here's the URL for it:
https://store.udap.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=P&Product_Code=1&Category_Code=PS
As for legalities, the Maglite is a flashlight and as such should be legal to carry. The fact that it can cave the skull in of an attacker whether canine or human is just an incidental advantage...
I got the idea for the Maglite as a self defence "enlightenment weapon" (my own nickname) from Massood Ayoob's excellent book about self-protection.
Best wishes,
John
brownie0486
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.45StayAlive,
good first post John, it makes a lot of sense and both items are well within the reasonableness factor in court should it ever go that far.
Brownie
good first post John, it makes a lot of sense and both items are well within the reasonableness factor in court should it ever go that far.
Brownie
JeremySmith
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I'd go for the walking stick or staff - for three reasons.
1. Makes the walk nicer.
2. If you see a dog or other threat - start waving it around over your head and yelling. It'll scare most animals or people into adjusting their path.
3. If 2 doesn't work, just a plain wood stick can deal out some serious pain - even without the addition of brass collars or tips.
Whatever you do with a dog - don't run or turn your back on it. Even the biggest, meanest dogs will slow up a little if you take a good lunge at it and shout.
Reminds me of a dog I ran into when I was about 15. I rode a 2-stroke dirtbike to work, and everyday this collie mix would chase me on the way, and on the way home. It'd get close enough I booted it a couple times on my way past, but it just wouldn't give up. The house this dog was at was at the bottom of a dip in the road, but it was pretty good at hiding in the brush for the ambush. One day on my way home, I was at the top of the hill, about to make the run past the place, when I noticed a grain truck coming towards me from the other way. The way I was traveling, the dog had to run across traffic to get at me - so I timed it just right, and the grain truck took care of my problem. I felt a little bad, but I thought about all the times the "owners" had been in the front yard laughing at the dog chasing me.
Anyway - anyone wanting brass pipe, or any other similar materials, can get it reaonably from http://www.mcmaster.com/
1. Makes the walk nicer.
2. If you see a dog or other threat - start waving it around over your head and yelling. It'll scare most animals or people into adjusting their path.
3. If 2 doesn't work, just a plain wood stick can deal out some serious pain - even without the addition of brass collars or tips.
Whatever you do with a dog - don't run or turn your back on it. Even the biggest, meanest dogs will slow up a little if you take a good lunge at it and shout.
Reminds me of a dog I ran into when I was about 15. I rode a 2-stroke dirtbike to work, and everyday this collie mix would chase me on the way, and on the way home. It'd get close enough I booted it a couple times on my way past, but it just wouldn't give up. The house this dog was at was at the bottom of a dip in the road, but it was pretty good at hiding in the brush for the ambush. One day on my way home, I was at the top of the hill, about to make the run past the place, when I noticed a grain truck coming towards me from the other way. The way I was traveling, the dog had to run across traffic to get at me - so I timed it just right, and the grain truck took care of my problem. I felt a little bad, but I thought about all the times the "owners" had been in the front yard laughing at the dog chasing me.
Anyway - anyone wanting brass pipe, or any other similar materials, can get it reaonably from http://www.mcmaster.com/
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i've gone low tech and thrown a few rocks to good effect in my time
Hiaboo
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A couple of things -
I definately advocate the walking stick. No question.
As for the Assault Kitty.. Damn that's a big cat! (I acutally witnessed the body) A good friend of mine when we were younger had a cat, tough as hell.. He acutally got hit and run over a couple of times, but never had to go to the vet, been attacked by wild animals, etc etc. That particular cat must have truly had 9 lives. One day he said he saw the dog (it was a mutt looked like a beagle and lab) charge straight for his cat who was sitting calmly in the middle of the yard.. My friend ran outside to break it up or whatever, en route out of the front door he heard this horrible scream and he was certain that the cat was dead but as soon as he got around the back to the cat, he was just sitting there licking his paws and the dog was next to him dead. Disembowled.
So. Carry an assault kitty on a stick.
I definately advocate the walking stick. No question.
As for the Assault Kitty.. Damn that's a big cat! (I acutally witnessed the body) A good friend of mine when we were younger had a cat, tough as hell.. He acutally got hit and run over a couple of times, but never had to go to the vet, been attacked by wild animals, etc etc. That particular cat must have truly had 9 lives. One day he said he saw the dog (it was a mutt looked like a beagle and lab) charge straight for his cat who was sitting calmly in the middle of the yard.. My friend ran outside to break it up or whatever, en route out of the front door he heard this horrible scream and he was certain that the cat was dead but as soon as he got around the back to the cat, he was just sitting there licking his paws and the dog was next to him dead. Disembowled.
So. Carry an assault kitty on a stick.
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FWIW, several lyears ago, I (& wife) were walking our sheperd on lead after visiting McDonalds for an evening coffee and to get our exercise. In the neighborhood was dwelling that housed a Doberman-- as we were walking by, the Dobe, being loose came out and started to bite our dog, having a cup of very hot McDonalds coffee in my hand, I dumped the whole cup on the Dobe, who immediately lost all interest in anything but departing the scene asap. So, if hot coffee is not illegal in Michigan, you might try using it to discourage offending pooch(s). 
Slugless
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I see people in my neighborhood openly carrying anti-dog weapons all the time. In fact, almost every Chinese person or couple carries one when walking. If there's an aggressive dog in the neighborhood, IMO cops aren't going to hassle you for carrying one of these.
It's a switch.
Another poster mentioned a 3/8" dowel. Get a good piece of dowel maybe as long as your shoulder to fingertips. Thin enough to bend well, thick enough of a good kind of wood to take the impact.
It's like a mini-sjambok and stings, will leave bad welts and bruises.
No animal likes having its sensory organs whipped with a dowel by a full size adult human.
It's a switch.
Another poster mentioned a 3/8" dowel. Get a good piece of dowel maybe as long as your shoulder to fingertips. Thin enough to bend well, thick enough of a good kind of wood to take the impact.
It's like a mini-sjambok and stings, will leave bad welts and bruises.
No animal likes having its sensory organs whipped with a dowel by a full size adult human.
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Sounds like he's well on his way to this cat:
Randy
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fantasy?
Yes, but any minute some legislator somewhere will declare that there is a crisis involving “military style assault kittys” with no legitimate civilian or sporting purpose, and advocating restricting ownership of very large cats to the police and military. The specter of the private ownership of very large cats and their relationship to domestic violence casualties will be a very significant variable used for political leverage in the policy debate. A frequent argument will be that a very large cat is "far more likely to kill or injure a family member or other person known to the cat than to be used in self-defense against an unknown home invader."
In a similar fashion, many very large cat control advocates will point to statistics in advertising campaigns purporting that "approximately 9 or so children are killed by very large cats every day across the US”.
· New Jersey will adopt what sponsors will call "the most stringent very large cat law" in the nation; they will ignore or rationalize statistics showing, the murder rate up 46% and the reported robbery rate nearly doubling, as well as dogs generally misbehaving.
· Washington, D.C., will enact one of the most restrictive very large cat control laws in the nation. The city's murder rate will rise 134% while the national murder rate has drops 2%. Dogs will be frequently seen pooping on lawns.
· Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 will have restrictive or very restrictive very large cat laws.
· Twenty percent of U.S. homicides will occur in four cities with just 6% of the population—New York, Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C.—and each will have a virtual prohibition on private ownership of very large cats.
· Overseas, the UK bans private ownership of most large cats. The number of people injured by large cats in England and Wales more than doubles, despite a massive increase in the number of police personnel. Unruly dogs become a problem in most neighborhoods.
· Australia forces the surrender of nearly 650,000 large cats. The cats are shipped to New Zealand.
o The national homicide rate in Australia rises by 13.2% and the national assault rate by 18.6%. Dogs roam virtually unchecked.
o Crime in New Zealand plummets. Dogs in NZ are uniformly well behaved and respectful.
Gee, just a silly fantasy. . . .
On the original note: Gunnerpalace - how are things working out?
Yes, but any minute some legislator somewhere will declare that there is a crisis involving “military style assault kittys” with no legitimate civilian or sporting purpose, and advocating restricting ownership of very large cats to the police and military. The specter of the private ownership of very large cats and their relationship to domestic violence casualties will be a very significant variable used for political leverage in the policy debate. A frequent argument will be that a very large cat is "far more likely to kill or injure a family member or other person known to the cat than to be used in self-defense against an unknown home invader."
In a similar fashion, many very large cat control advocates will point to statistics in advertising campaigns purporting that "approximately 9 or so children are killed by very large cats every day across the US”.
· New Jersey will adopt what sponsors will call "the most stringent very large cat law" in the nation; they will ignore or rationalize statistics showing, the murder rate up 46% and the reported robbery rate nearly doubling, as well as dogs generally misbehaving.
· Washington, D.C., will enact one of the most restrictive very large cat control laws in the nation. The city's murder rate will rise 134% while the national murder rate has drops 2%. Dogs will be frequently seen pooping on lawns.
· Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 will have restrictive or very restrictive very large cat laws.
· Twenty percent of U.S. homicides will occur in four cities with just 6% of the population—New York, Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C.—and each will have a virtual prohibition on private ownership of very large cats.
· Overseas, the UK bans private ownership of most large cats. The number of people injured by large cats in England and Wales more than doubles, despite a massive increase in the number of police personnel. Unruly dogs become a problem in most neighborhoods.
· Australia forces the surrender of nearly 650,000 large cats. The cats are shipped to New Zealand.
o The national homicide rate in Australia rises by 13.2% and the national assault rate by 18.6%. Dogs roam virtually unchecked.
o Crime in New Zealand plummets. Dogs in NZ are uniformly well behaved and respectful.
Gee, just a silly fantasy. . . .
On the original note: Gunnerpalace - how are things working out?
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see here was my problem i was just starting to date my girlfriend about a little over a year ago and i was just tickling her no the couch and play fighting for the remote and her dog jumped up and bit me. well i had the dog in a death grip around his neck and she is screaming at me to let the dog go as i have blood running down my face and i just punched the dog in the head and ran into the bathroom well went to the hospital and about 9 stitches in the face and upper lip. later and about a 1000 dollar medical bill me and that dog are best friends but if he ever does it again him and my Beretta will be having a face to face meeting.
Slugless
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Gunner,
I don't know if it's mentioned previously in the thread, but an umbrella works great for dogs, not even as a whuppin' stick.
I found this out from a cute little thing who asked if she could read our meter in the back yard. (we got 2 big, big dogs) She carried an umbrella and I asked her if she used it to whack dogs (thinking it wouldn't be effective wielded by a petite female).
She said no, just open the umbrella & hold it in between you and the dog. It freaks them out, they don't know what to do with it. It is an effective shield according to her.
I don't know if it's mentioned previously in the thread, but an umbrella works great for dogs, not even as a whuppin' stick.
I found this out from a cute little thing who asked if she could read our meter in the back yard. (we got 2 big, big dogs) She carried an umbrella and I asked her if she used it to whack dogs (thinking it wouldn't be effective wielded by a petite female).
She said no, just open the umbrella & hold it in between you and the dog. It freaks them out, they don't know what to do with it. It is an effective shield according to her.
Gunnerpalace
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Yeah, When you open that umbrella it is about 3 1/2 ft across, I had a squirrel come up to me (either tame or rabid) and scared it right off.
Gunnerpalace
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I could get one but it would be to much hassle, transfer though FFL(federal feline licensee) a background check, and 200.00 tax due to "destructive kitty" status, unless it was registered after May 19 1986, then I need a SAT(Special animal taxpayer) and a PETA demo letter. Scary thing is that cat would work well.
Scary thing is that cat would work well.kbarrett
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The cat has played a critical role in history. An invention which has been praised and demonized, served hero and villain alike, and carries with it moral responsibility. To understand the cat is to better understand history. "From Tales of the Cat"
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Gunnerpalace
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Nice
Geronimo45
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I'm thinking that she must've read Wodehouse:
I was sauntering on the river bank with a girl named something that has slipped my mind, when there was a sound of barking and a large hefty dog came galloping up, full of beans and buck and obviously intent on mayhem. And I was just commending my soul to God and feeling that this was where the old flannel trousers got about thirty bobs worth of value bitten out of them, when the girl, waiting till she saw the whites of its eyes, with extraordinary presence of mind opened a coloured Japanese umbrella in the animal's face. Upon which it did three back somersaults and retired into private life.
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