It looks like there's a .358Win in my future.

[someguy2800]

That's a great project. My dad has a 760 in 243 that I've always liked except for the cartridge. If it ever finds its way into my safe I'll probably do the same.

A couple years ago I got it in my head that I wanted a 7600 in 35 Remington, but evidently they are now worth their weight in primers.



I got a Remington 141 in 35 remington and made a carbine out of it instead. I am a fan of the intermediate size 35 calibers. The don't hit quite as hard as the big bores like 444 and 45/70, but they are a heck of a lot flatter shooting, so a really good compromise for woods hunting with the possibility of 200+ yard shots. I have a Magnum Research pistol and a Handi Rifle in 35 Remington as well. Those two both get +P load loaded to about 50,000 psi, but the 141 just gets standard pressure cast bullet loads.



I also have a 358 Yeti AR15 which is basically a shortened 358 winchester made to fit in an AR mag. That pushes a 180 gr speer at 2500 fps

 

[Chuck R.]

That 141 is just awesome!

IF I went the AR route, the Yeti is what I'd have. It's a very capable cartridge without having to suck down the weight of an AR10.

I don't get the situation with 35Rem ammo/brass availability. Fairly popular cartridge, lots of rifles chambered for it. Friend of mine has a 336 that we're going o start loading for this fall. Luckily he has a lot of brass his dad left him with the rifle. With the advent of the .360BH there seems to be enough bullets available for that velocity range.

Yup, whenever you see one of the 760s or 7600s going in .35-anything they command a premium. I like the 35s for the same reason, they still can cover the occasional clear-cut, while not being stupid fast at woods distances.

I almost did a .35Whelen, since it's a long action no matter what, but I've already got that base covered with my .350RM and I'm sitting on a a lot of .308 brass from my FAL.

The only issue I have with the faster 35s is finding bullets and that looks like it's resolving itself over time.

I found enough Speer 180 Hotcore FPs to last a lifetime in this rifle, and I've got enough of the 200grn Hornady SPs to keep going for a long, long while. Barnes 180grn TSX-FB and TTSX-FBs are now available, I'm just holding out for the 200s for "bigger than whitetails" in the .350RM. The cup and core stuff works fine for deer and pigs. The whole .358" thing kind of negates the need for premium anything.

What I really want for X-Mas is a run of Nolser 225 Partitions. Those IMHO are a .350RM with 2.8" mag box's best friends.

In a way of an update: JES cashed my check, so probably a couple more weeks for the barrel to come back. I've decided on the scope which will be a Leupold VX3HD 1.5-5 "Twilight" CDS with FireDot. Will act like an RDS at 1.5 and have enough reach at 5X to cover the .358s capabilities. Leupold is out of stock, so it's a waiting game.

My newest hobby seems to be losing auctions for 760/7600 short magazines. Apparently people collect them for some reason.. they may have taken the place of gold in some retirement portfolios.

 

[Savage30L]

I have a 760 and a Filson Cruiser (loden green...I'm not a red plaid sort of fellow). No stormy, though....might have to get one...

 

[9x56MS]

I have a 760 and a Filson Cruiser (loden green...I'm not a red plaid sort of fellow). No stormy, though....might have to get one...

I recommend the grey Kromer.

 

[Savage30L]

I recommend the grey Kromer.

I need to. I got a beautiful wool hat from Filson, with a thick wool pile lining, but even though I ordered the 2XL size, it's still too small to fit my head. I notice that the SK comes in generously large sizes, larger than 2XL.

 

[9x56MS]

I have a Filson cruiser in red & black plaid and a red filson wool fedora I wear deer hunting

 

[GooseGestapo]

Definitely NOT an original recoil pad.
If mine, it’d have to go!
I too have a BLR’81 in .358. If trigger was better I’d hunt everything with it. But as it is, it’s too pretty to hunt! That, and magazines are ridiculous to replace ($100+ each). (But have 4!).
Don’t expect over 2,500fps with a 200gr bullet. They’ll do 2,600+ from a 24” bolt action but the Remington M7600 doesn’t have sufficient mechanical leverage to extract that high pressure of a load.
In early’90’s, I had a M760 in .35Rem. It was a tack driver! I got 200’s up to 2,400fps and MOA or better accuracy. Extraction was the limiting factor.
But performance on deer was a thing to behold.
My gripe was the forend rattled. Often at inconvenient times! Spooked off several nice bucks before I could get a shot.
.358 Recoil is mostly overstated. It’s about like a .30/06 with similar weight bullets. But, they do make a greater wallop!” when they hit…

 

[Chuck R.]

Definitely NOT an original recoil pad.
If mine, it’d have to go!
I too have a BLR’81 in .358. If trigger was better I’d hunt everything with it. But as it is, it’s too pretty to hunt! That, and magazines are ridiculous to replace ($100+ each). (But have 4!).
Don’t expect over 2,500fps with a 200gr bullet. They’ll do 2,600+ from a 24” bolt action but the Remington M7600 doesn’t have sufficient mechanical leverage to extract that high pressure of a load.
In early’90’s, I had a M760 in .35Rem. It was a tack driver! I got 200’s up to 2,400fps and MOA or better accuracy. Extraction was the limiting factor.
But performance on deer was a thing to behold.
My gripe was the forend rattled. Often at inconvenient times! Spooked off several nice bucks before I could get a shot.
.358 Recoil is mostly overstated. It’s about like a .30/06 with similar weight bullets. But, they do make a greater wallop!” when they hit…

I think with the barrel cut down to 19" I should be about in the "35Rem +P" range which is fine for the intended usage. At least I can easily find .308Win brass to convert, I'm sitting on a bunch from my FAL. Friend of mine has a 35Rem and brass is unobtainable right now.

Through research I may have found a fix for the forearm rattle, apparently replacing the "O" ring on the Action Tube (part #5 on Part #4) is a solution. So I located a 5 pack of those, we'll see...

The stock now looks like this, so the recoil pad is now factory:

I'm debating now having it sent off to be painted.. Last night I won an Ebay auction for a spare .308 Magazine in good shape for $53.08, so at least that immediate want has been filled. Just waiting on the barrel to arrive (JES cashed the check) and the scope to come back into stock.

I've got a spare Larue Tactical RDS "low mount" in case I want to RDS it, but the 1.5-5X Leupold should cover that base. I'm going to go with a Picatinny rail, and a set of Leupold QD rings (look like Warnes, but with me Leupold discount), so swapping for the RDS will be viable.

I did order and receive an Uncle Mikes 760/7600 sling mounting "kit" that screws into the action bar, so the barrel band is history. Next on the list of "wants" is a "Timney 870 Trigger Fix" which is a 2-Stage and brings the pull own to 3.5lbs:

Remington 870 Trigger Fix

Best replacement triggers available

timneytriggers.com

It's looking like I might have it done in time for a couple late season doe drives.

 

[GooseGestapo]

Instead of sending it off, I suggest a brown textured finish using Rust Oleum textured Brown Paint. This gives it a good grip without being abrasive or “gooey”. It’s excellent camouflage, too. I either leave metal as is with a Remington with Matte finish, or NutMeg matte finish with streaks of dark Brown or Dark OD green.
One can will do 3-4 stocks. An OD green barrel, and Brown textured stock look”almost “ like a factory new gun. It looks like a parkerized barreled action and walnut stained stock.

 

[Chuck R.]

I meant the stock.. the barred action is definitely getting CeraKoted. Right now I'm stuck between my "normal" Graphite Black and having the stock/forearm painted and something like tis, in Burnt Bronze:

 

[richhodg66]

I have a Savage 99 in .358 and for my way of doing things, it's about the perfect deer rifle. I only shoot cast bullets in mine, but it does very well with them.

For a long action like a 7600, you could do a .35 Whelen and get a little better performance, not that you really need it.

 

[Chuck R.]

I have a Savage 99 in .358 and for my way of doing things, it's about the perfect deer rifle. I only shoot cast bullets in mine, but it does very well with them.

For a long action like a 7600, you could do a .35 Whelen and get a little better performance, not that you really need it.

I could, but I've got that "power/range" base covered with a sub-7lb .350RM:

Looking to build a sub-200yd woods rifle, and all the other hunting rifles I have are bolts.

 

[richhodg66]

I notice you're in Leavenworth, do you hunt on post? I retired out of there and went through the class to hunt on post and decided it was more trouble than it was worth. There are some really good tracts of WIHA near Atchison that we hit and I was pleasantly surprised to not see many other deer hunters around.

 

[Chuck R.]

I notice you're in Leavenworth, do you hunt on post? I retired out of there and went through the class to hunt on post and decided it was more trouble than it was worth. There are some really good tracts of WIHA near Atchison that we hit and I was pleasantly surprised to not see many other deer hunters around.

I retired the 1st time out of the Fort in 2005, I'll retire the 2nd time this DEC 30th.

I've hunted on post a couple times, but not for deer. I have 80 acres I'm grooming for deer and have access to my neighbors 500 acres. So I'm pretty well set for whitetails. I've hunted around Atchison quite a bit; geese, squirrels, and deer. For a while we had access to a 1000 acre farm just north tat was prime NE KS deer habitat, but it got leased out. I still hit the WIHA for squirrels occasionally, then we hit some of the areas further north for our doe drives during the late season.

I know a couple guys that still hunt post for deer and do pretty well. One of our LTCs has taken a nice buck every year he's hunted (archery), but he also puts the time/effort in. He just TXT'd me a picture of the 5x5 Elk he shot in WY (archery) a couple days ago. That makes 3 bulls in 4 years with a bow for him on public ground. Like I said, he puts the effort in.

Annually now we head out to western KS east or west of 283 depending on the tags and hunt the 1st few days of the season. More of a comradery thing than hard hunting. We stay in a friend's camper, grill etc. This year I think we're going north of Ft. Riley due to the amount of CWD in western KS. I've often thought of hunting Riley again as I killed some decent bucks while I was stationed there. This year a couple of us that served in the DIVARTY are going back to chase some "ditch chickens" on the Ft. but we'll have to see out it goes.

 

[Csinn]

Sorry late to the discussion but I’ve been looking at one of these. I don’t long range hunt and I shot my buddys 7mm mag and that was too loud for me unless I want to double up all the time. I don’t need the range of the 7mm but the extra thump with the 358 might be nice over the 30-30 I’ve been looking at. I do wear hearing protection but how’s the blast? Booms are easier on my ears than sharp cracks. Where does this fit?

 

[Chuck R.]

Sorry late to the discussion but I’ve been looking at one of these. I don’t long range hunt and I shot my buddys 7mm mag and that was too loud for me unless I want to double up all the time. I don’t need the range of the 7mm but the extra thump with the 358 might be nice over the 30-30 I’ve been looking at. I do wear hearing protection but how’s the blast? Booms are easier on my ears than sharp cracks. Where does this fit?

I'm not what I'd call "Blast intolerant" due to having spent my time in field artillery and tracked vehicles

Also my current .358 is a .350RM with about 10 more grains of powder.

Nature Boy​

owns a .358Win with a 20" barrel, so I'd PM him or maybe he'll post up.

 

[9x56MS]

Unless shooting them under a roof I really don’t notice a blast from my 20” barreled BLR.

 

[richhodg66]

I'm not what I'd call "Blast intolerant" due to having spent my time in field artillery and tracked vehicles

Also my current .358 is a .350RM with about 10 more grains of powder.

Nature Boy​

owns a .358Win with a 20" barrel, so I'd PM him or maybe he'll post up.

The guns aren't what did in my hearing, it was the days and weeks of being in an M577 or M981 with a four deuce generator and/or big diesel motor going to try to keep batteris alive while trying to monitor a bunch of different voice and digital radio nets. The guns were easy to predict and cover your ears.

That said, being outside when they touch off a charge super 8 red bag will wake you up for sure.

 

[Chuck R.]

The guns aren't what did in my hearing, it was the days and weeks of being in an M577 or M981 with a four deuce generator and/or big diesel motor going to try to keep batteris alive while trying to monitor a bunch of different voice and digital radio nets. The guns were easy to predict and cover your ears.

That said, being outside when they touch off a charge super 8 red bag will wake you up for sure.

13Echo??

and in the way of an update:

Acquired 2 Boxes of Barnes .358 TSX bullets, "technically" for the .350RM, but they're .358Win capable.
Won TWO auctions for 7600/760 short caliber magazines, one off of GB the other off of Ebay.

 

[Ru4real]

I don’t need the range of the 7mm but the extra thump with the 358 might be nice over the 30-30 I’ve been looking at. I do wear hearing protection but how’s the blast? Booms are easier on my ears than sharp cracks. Where does this fit?

Mostly a boom, not a crack. In my guns, comparing 200gr Hornady SP with 48 grains Viht N-135 I get:

24” heavy barrel savage bolt gun - easy recoiling softer boom at 2650 fps
20” barrel browning lever gun - harder recoiling louder boom at 2590 fps
14” barrel MOA single shot pistol ported barrel - heavy recoil loud crack at 2470 fps

Here is a sweetheart, mild load for 358 Win. 250gr Hornady Sub-X (2300 max - 900 min velocity) with 42 grains N-135 (Varget or IMR4064 would be same)
24” at 2210 fps
20” at 2150 fps
14” at 2000 fps

The 358 Sub-X 250 grain is same length bullet as the 7mm Speer 160 grain Hot Cor which is a top penetrator. Keep the Sub-X in its envelope and it will kill a lot of stuff. Test results in gel look good up to 2500fps, but gel ain’t hide and bone.

Out of the 14” pistol with a 200 yard zero, the Sub-X at 2000 fps with a 0.365 G1 is a legit 250 yard elk round. Or deer. Or pig.

 

[Chuck R.]

Quick update for those following:

Barrel's back! Picked it up today.

Actually it's been back since 25SEP bouncing around between a couple of our local post offices. GOT to love rural mail delivery. Received a 2nd and final notice today that it was about to be shipped back to OR. Seemed a little off since we never received the initial failed delivery notice.

Normally, not a big issue with things like tracking, cept JESS is kind of analog, snail mail outfit.. so it can (was?) an issue. Anyhow, tomorrow I'll drop it off at my smith's, then the next waiting game begins..

Also, when Shanghai McCoy came over on SAT to shoot, he brought his red plaid cruiser and Stormy Kromer for me to try on. Both fit, so I'm one step closer to a New England style doe drive, or at least as close as I can get in KS. I did manage to get in 100 Barnes 200 grn TSX, so it's not exactly like I'm going completely primitive.

 

[Nature Boy]

I believe you will like it, and I know the deer are going to hate it.

The .358 Win has the same powder versatility as its .308 parent, favoring those on the faster side.

 

[Elkins45]

358 Win is just about the pinnacle of cast bullet performance in a rifle.

 

[Elkins45]

Now you just need one of these to go with it:

360-249-RN-V2 2 Cavity RG2 GC | NOE Bullet Moulds

noebulletmolds.com

 

[Chuck R.]

I believe you will like it, and I know the deer are going to hate it.

The .358 Win has the same powder versatility as its .308 parent, favoring those on the faster side.

Right now I'm going to focus on TAC, cause I'm working with it in my .350RM and I've got a a lot on-hand. Have you tried it? I've also got the usual .308 sized case suspects : H4350, Varget, IMR4320, CFR223.

Now you just need one of these to go with it:

360-249-RN-V2 2 Cavity RG2 GC | NOE Bullet Moulds

noebulletmolds.com

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It might come to that, but it's going to be a while. I currently cast for my BPCRs and a couple handguns. It's just a question of time....

Dropped off a box of parts yesterday, smith tells me that I'll make late doe season (1JAN), maybe, just maybe our regular rifle season 29NOV. The scope is still on BO... But, I've got a Swarovski 1.25-4 in Warne QD mounts that I can hang on it until I can get what I want.