J.C. Higgins model 10/Sears mod. 583.16

[frenchy1957]

I need help (Not that kind)!!

Been in the Army 30 years, my grandfather bought me a Sears model 583.16shotgun (J.C. Higgins model 10) back in 1967 for my tenth B-day, He's passed on, but, my brother , thinking he was doing me a favor turned in the bolt during the recall back in the late 80's/early 90's. I would like to get a replacement bolt. I know about the recall, and have done an extensive look into it. The gun was not at fault as far as I can learn. It was a "operator head space" problem. Is there anywhere out there I can find a abolt for this shotgun? (I guess 2 for 1 on this one inquiryis ok)

I also have a Cacarno Model 38, 7,35 x 51 mm, any Ideas as to where I can find ammo for this fine old rifle? Any help would be more than welcome!!

 

[saturno_v]

Frenchy

Unfortunately for your Carcano I really don't know where you can find ammo....if you had the 6.5 cal rifle, Norma still makes ammo for it (VERY expensive)

I think your only choice is the reloading route, finding what case is the closest in shape and size, then re-size and/or re-neck it.

Personally, I would not shoot it and keep it as collector item...I don't think they made many of them in that caliber so it's going to appreciate significantly in the future...I suppose....

If you want to have fun with an old military workhorse, the cheapest route is the Russian Mosin Nagant....easily found in big sporting goods stores (Big 5, GI Joe, etc..) in their surplus rack, incredibly cheap (anywhere from $69 to $99 depending on the area and which store run a sale that particular week), very accurate, ammo is inexpensive and very easy to find (7,62 X 54R, still used in many modern military guns in service with several armed forces in the world) with significant more power then your old Carcano.
Just make sure you get one with a good rifling and crown, the action has to be reasonably smooth (make sure it closes down all the way without forcing it) and try to get one where at least the serial numbers on the receiver and on the bolt do match.
It is the cheapest high power rifle you can buy in North America at the moment.

Another alternative is a Mauser 98 or an Enfield but these are more expensive (in the $200-250 range at least but they can go for a lot more), ammo is pricey and a bit more difficult to find and it will be so even more in the future...these cartridges are no longer used by any regular armed force, except for a couple of specialized sniper rifles chambered for the 8 mm Mauser, and are way less popular in the hunting world compared to a 30-06 Springfield or a 308 Winchester.

Furthermore, the 8 mm Mauser produced by the American ammo manufacturers is way underpowered (comparable to a hot 30-30 Winchester power level)
To enjoy the full capabilities of the cartridge you have to reload or buy the European brands (RWS, Norma, etc..) which are even more expensive and more difficult to find.

Leave the Carcano on the rack.....


For your shotgun, have you tried to contact the manufaturer for the part???

 

[DaleCooper51]

Frenchy -

You might try Numrich gun parts for a bolt assembly. Give them a call as the part is listed as sold out on the website, but might not have been updated.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/products.asp?chrMasterModel=0780z10&MC=

 

[frenchy1957]

with thanks

Saturno,

I have been thinking about "leaving the Carcarno in the rack" I have had it safety check and its safe to fire. I will try some of the other rifles mentioned as as well as eventually track down some safe ammo for the M38.

to Dalecooper51,

I have contacted Numrich, with some parts exchanged on a bolt from a similiar bolt action shotgun(ectractor parts and springs, etc ) I with luck, and help from you all, should have a funtioning 12 gage ina week or so.

Thanks

 

[mp510]

Unfortunately for your Carcano I really don't know where you can find ammo....if you had the 6.5 cal rifle, Norma still makes ammo for it (VERY expensive)

Actually, Privi Partisan makes 6.5 Carcano now, and it is relatively affordable to shoot.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/6.5_Carcano.html

 

[mp510]

There is still some 7.35 floating around at affordable prices. This seller has some more auctions available too.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116330863#PIC

 

[saturno_v]

Actually, Privi Partisan makes 6.5 Carcano now, and it is relatively affordable to shoot.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/6.5_Carcano.html

Oops!! I forgot that...thanks for reminding me!!!


However, I think it' difficult to find it in stores, unless you order it online.

 

[mp510]

However, I think it' difficult to find it in stores, unless you order it online.

The only place other than the internet where I have seen it is at gunshows- for an extra couple buck mark-up.

 

[menotseeu]

frenchy1957

Wondering how your J C Higgins turned out? I have the same problem. Been trying to find parts. I HAVE the bolt but the extractors and springs are missing. What "similiar bolt action shotgun" did Numrich or yourself refer to if I may ask?
Thanks

 

[menotseeu]

WOW..These halls are empty!

 

[monkyboy1975]

I see on the cross reference sheet on the Hoosier Gunworks website, that it is actually a Hi Standard model 10 if that helps any.

 

[menotseeu]

Thanks Monkyboy. It helps, but not much. Now I can't find any info on the Model 10. Just got to keep researching. Thanks again.