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Jammed up 3 dies with Hornady one shot spray

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Float Pilot, May 3, 2013.

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  1. stavman11

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    I like imperial... But I will do 200-300 cases in a sitting and the Imperial is just too slow for me

    I do use the imperial when i load .357... since i dont fly thru them like i do .223:D
     
  2. ngnrd

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    I load a quart sized plastic zipper bag about half full of brass, shake and then spray One-Shot liberally into the bag, seal the bag, and massage the brass in the bag for 20-30 seconds. After I'm sure all the brass has been lubed, I open the bag and let the vapors vent for a bit (which I don't recommend doing at the reloading bench). Then, I pour the brass into a container and keep the bag until next time.

    I've processed hundreds of rounds of several kinds of bottleneck rifle brass this way with no issues (222, 223, 270, 30-06, and 300WM). Maybe one day I'll be unlucky enough to stick a case, but it hasn't happened yet.
     
  3. Lennyjoe

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    Have only stuck 1 case in about 25,000 reloads using Hornady One Shot.

    As for 30-06, I resize the whole case when I use range pick ups or purchased online. Once they are shot in my rifle, I neck size only.

    Sorry to hear about your stuck cases...
     
  4. GLOOB

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    I use Frankford Arsenal pump spray lube with the baggie method. I never shake the bottle. I only use 1 pump for a bagful of cases. I don't wait for the cases to dry. I have never stuck a case.

    I just did 80 308 cases. Hadn't used this sizing die since November. I thought about spritzing the die for good measure, but just stuck with my usual routine. Unroll my lube bag: a 9x12 plastic bag that I keep rolled around the bottle. Open and spray one pump into the bag; this loosens up the dry lube that's already in there. Dump in cases and roll them around for 20 seconds. Drop them into a bin and start sizing, immediately. Perfect.

    Now in the early days, I came close to sticking a case. The cases were still really wet, and I could feel the first case start to stick, so I stopped. But now that my "lube bag" is nice and coated, the cases come out drier, and they are ready to go, immediately.

    I have never used One Shot, so if it works then fine. But maybe the Frankford Arsenal stuff is better? I'm not sure how these threads always devolve into Hornady One Shot, specifically, vs Imperial Sizing Wax, in particular. But somehow, they do. Imperial Sizing Wax might be the best hand-applied lube in existence, but it certainly doesn't seem like Hornady One Shot is the best spray lube ever made. There are other options out there, folks.
     
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  5. Float Pilot

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    I shook the heck out of the can..... Sprayed the hell out of the brass and let it sit while I ran over to the house to use the bathroom for a few minutes.
    I bought the can a couple years ago and it has been sitting out in the shop until now...


    One thing about spray cans, paints and even food products here in Alaska...
    They are often old and outdated (that is why they send it here ) and the cans are often frozen solid for a couple weeks while the products are on the barge coming up from Washington state or while sitting in the back of a semi-van somewhere along the Alcan hwy while it is 40 below zero.

    That might be my problem.... I just sprayed some on a piece of cardboard and noted that it seemed to be separated into some sort of thin carrier fluid and a bunch of clotted looking stuff that smells like shoe polish wax.

    The cases that I did get resized all feel like they have a lightly lubed surface, but not much... About 10%-20% of how slippery the cases feel after using regular RCBS roll pad lube. And it is certainly not an even coating...
     
  6. tightgroup tiger

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    I think yours is ruined. I use One Shot all the time and haven't seen what you just described. It always smells like shoe polish but doesn't come out of the can separated.

    It comes out of the can as a clear liquid and pretty much disappears when it's dry, but you can feel it on the brass.

    I use One Shot on all my rifle shells including 30-06 and I literally hose them down good and let them sit for 10 minutes and they resize very easily.

    That very well could be the problem.
     
  7. KansasSasquatch

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    As you can tell many people swear that One Shot is great stuff. But when it's used properly it is much less efficient time and material wise than other good spray lubes. I wax lube anytime I'm running a small batch of big rifle brass and use RCBS spray lube on big batches of .223. Either method is much more efficient than Twenty-One Shot. I like most Hornady products but they failed with the aerosol version.
     
  8. mljdeckard

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    I'm scratching my head a little here.

    I got the spray lube because using a lube pad and brush for the necks is like combining two forms of torture. I sprayed it in a bag and it works fine.

    But at the same time, I don't ever want to have to deal with a stuck case. Everyone raves about the Imperial wax, and although it seems like a step back to me, I think I will try some. It's cheap, it goes a long way, and everyone who reviews it raves about how non-messy it is. It might be a bit slow, but I do rifle cases slowly anyway, I'm not in a hurry. I think I will just make sure enough gets in the case necks to keep the expander ball happy.
     
  9. gamestalker

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    One Shot works just fine as long as you follow the instructions to a T. Shake well, and let dry completely before running them through the die. It isn't necessary to spray the die, and it might even cause you some other problems as well, lube dents would be one problem I would expect.
    I used One Shot without any problems at all, but I switched to Dillon spray because it lasts so much longer than the H brand.
    GS
     
  10. kayaks

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    I have had better luck with the Hornady One Shot than the lube pad. Especially with 30-30 cases, they seem pretty sensitive to excessive lube and will dent. I load lots of .223 and would hate to think about applying wax by hand to each one.

    Haven't had the problems Float Pilot mentions, maybe they send the old stuff to the Kenai...
     
  11. USSR

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    +1. Not a serious lube for bottleneck cartridges.

    Don
     
  12. shaggy430

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    I guarantee this is what happened:

    You shook the can and it sounded like lube was in the can. You sprayed all the brass. Problem is, the liquid you heard in the can was propellant, not lube. Happened to me twice. Now I discard a can once it feels like it is getting low.
     
  13. mtrmn

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    For those of you who like Imperial, (me too) if you need a good lube similar and cheaper go to Walmart shoe section and get a can of mink oil. Works the same. Also Bag Balm for cow udders is almost pure lanolin and works really well. There's another brand called Udder Butter or something like that, but I've not tried it.
    I recently bought some liquid lanolin on ebay and bought some IsoHEET fuel treatment and mixed up the best lube I've tried so far. 1 - 12oz bottle IsoHEET and 1 - 4oz bottle liquid lanolin in a spray bottle. The IsoHEET is really a type of alcohol and evaporates quickly, leaving the lanolin behind.
     
  14. Certaindeaf

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    Is that the HEET in the red bottle or the yellow?
     
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    Red bottle is what I used, didn't know there was a yellow bottle.....

    Mine came in a package of four 12oz bottles at Wallyworld in automotive section.
     
  16. balderclev

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    Spray 1-shot on a pad and roll each case and immediately resize it. Never had a problem with 223 or 308 so far.
     
  17. nix4me

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    I use Dillon Spray lube now for rifle brass. A little sticky but works great.
     
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    I agree a lot of these threads digress to bashing a certain product.:banghead: I have used OS with great results for a long time in the past. I now use the isopropyl alcohol and liquid lanolin mix (8 to 1) in a hand sprayer into the gallon sized Zip-Loc freezer bag and never looked back. I use the red Iso-Heat but any isopropyl based gas line antifreeze product will work the same. 100K plus and never a stuck casing with this method yet. Until I tried to use straight Dawn to resize to see if I could do it cheaper that is.:barf: Now I do however use Imperial to size when case forming just because it may work better due to the higher pressures needed to change the shapes more. YMMV
     
  19. ranger335v

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    All commercial case lubes work quite well when used correctly, ditto a lot of substitutes. In fact, nothing is specifically made as a case lube, the sellers simply buy stuff that works and then packages it for resell to us. The base for all of them is STP or lanoline or wax or soap. Aerosol lubes have a liquid lube and a carrier/solvent to thin it, usually alcohol, and a propellent gas; trigger spray bottles are the same stuff without the propellent.
     
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    When I first joined this forum, about every other day there was a new thread about how terrible One-Shot is.

    I've jammed a few cases over the years.
    But NONE since I went to a lanolin/alcohol mix.
     
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    One shot and my homemade mix of 99% isopropyl and lanolin do great on straight wall cases. However I have had to hammer ruined cases rifle cases out of sizing dies using the spray.

    For bottleneck cases go with STP oil treatment or 2 cycle oil. Apply with fingers and clean up with alcohol when sized. The cost warms the cockles of my cheap heart! A 3 oz bottle of 2 cycle oil with lube thousands of surplus 7.62 fired in a machine gun for perfect sizing in my Redding small base sizing die.

    I guess you could lube rifle cases on a pad saturated with STP or 2 cycle oil. I pour a little dime size puddle on the bench and wipe my forefinger in it for two cases. That is every other case.
     
  22. saitek

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    spray lube

    i used to use hornady spray lube but it was a pain in the but ! sloppy get.s every ware you dont want it .i stuck several 30-06 case's i know the imperial is slower but i am not losing aint time removing stuck case's and this stuff just plain work's ,it work's great for my oole man when he reform's brass for his k-31.
     
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    It has definitely been my friend thanks to recommendations o saw on here :)

    Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    My friend first!
     
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    I live in Canada and have the same problem.
    When I called Hornady they told me the same thing.
    If the can freezes it is ruined.
    They sent me a tub of Unique case lube.
    It works every bit as well as Imperial Sizing Wax.

    I now use Dillon spray lube which is made with lanolin and isopropyl alcohol when reloading on my progressive press with case feeder.
     
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