Brass stuck in resizing die

[NorthBorder]

So, I am learning to reload rifle now. I use a Lee classic turret press. I tumble the brass first. Then I resize/decap the brass. My problem is about 1 out of 20 or 30 rounds the brass gets stuck in the die. Prior to resizing I spray several cases at once with Hornady One Shot, and I shoot a little in the die as directed. While I am typing this I am wondering if I am spraying the full length of each case or if it is necessary. I try to get a 360 degree coverage and into the case mouth. No problems with the seating and crimping dies. Also, do the cases need to be lubed for the seating and crimping dies? I sure hope I explained this problem well.

 

[30Cal]

Only need lube for resizing. I was highly recommend using a different lube. With a good lube, you wil NEVER get a case stuck. IME, you have to follow the OneShot instructions EXACTLY and there is zero margin for deviation with it. OneShot seems to be involved in a large proportion of the "I got a stuck case" threads on the internet.


ETA: I use the Dillon spray lube. For heavy duty work, it's Imperial Case Wax.

 

[rcmodel]

Only need lube to resize them, not after that.

Try letting the One Shot evaporate ALL the solvent off before resizing.

Then rub it clear around and all over each case with your fingers as you pick each one up to resize it.

If that doesn't help?

Buy a better case lube.

Everybody has trouble with Hornady One-Shot!!'

rc

 

[GarySTL]

I use Hornady One Shot for pistol rounds. Dump about 150 or so in a shallow cardboard box and spray while shaking around.

For rifle I use Imperial Sizing Wax. Just rub your thumb and fore finger on the wax and rub on the neck and maybe an inch down the body. Nice and slick.

Are you letting the one shot dry before sizing?

Lube's only needed for sizing.

 

[FLIGHT762]

Hornady One Shot lube when used properly works well, the issue is hardly anyone uses it properly and Hornady One Shot causes more stuck cases than any other lube.

There's been numerous threads on it.

Here's just a few:
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f28/stuck-case-thanks-hornady-one-shot-94941/index3.html
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/122316-Giving-up-on-Hornady-1-shot-for-223-brass?
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com...-Jammed-up-3-dies-with-Hornady-one-shot-spray

I've used the Dillon lube for years and then switched to the home maid lanolin / alcohol lube.

If you're set on using the Hornady One Shot, you need how to use it properly. A couple of threads discussing it:
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=305248
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504283

 

[cfullgraf]

Folks using Hornady One Shot seems to love or hate it. I am in the latter category.

I have done well lubricating small cases(300 BLK, 204 Ruger, 223 Remington) with alcohol/lanolin mix so I am having success with the spray on lubricants, just not One Shot. I am not happy with the performance of spray on lubricants on larger cases like 30-06.

Get a more reliable case lube like Imperial Sizing Wax or RCBS Case Lube II.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

The only case I ever stuck in a die was lubed with One Shot BUT it was my fault because I did it wrong. I use Imperial Sizing Wax for all my rifle cases now. A 2oz tin will last you a VERY long time and it's under $8. I use One Shot for handgun brass. Even though it's not necessary it does make resizing short fat cases easy.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/519525/imperial-case-sizing-wax-2-oz

 

[TexasDon]

I don't use one shot for rifle brass. What I do use is either Imperial or one that I tried and also like called Royal Case and Die Lube. It smells like honey...
Plus it works just like Imperial with about the same consistency.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/62...case-sizing-wax-4-oz-jar?cm_vc=ProductFinding

But you can't go wrong with Imperial sizing wax. Just a dab on your finger tips as you pick the brass up and roll it in your fingers does the trick.

I use to use the RCBS goo #2...( Which works great) But the imperial is a little less messy.

But use what you like and works for you.

TxD

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

I use the RCBS case lube and a pad. Lay ten cases on the pad, give them a couple of pumps of the lube towards the open end and roll them back and forth a few times to evenly distribute the lube and proceed with your sizing in batches of ten. Makes counting them very easy..... Once the pad is coated with lube you can skip the spray routine several times, instead just rolling the cases on the pad. You will be able to feel the increase in effort as you resize so you know when to resume spraying. I hold the neck end down with my fingers as I roll the cases back to ensure the necked portion of the case is also lubricated. Nothing stuck in a die to this point after 30 odd years....

 

[higgite]

The obly case i ever stuck in a die was lubed with One shot BUT it was my fault because i did it wrong.

Same here. I stuck two of my first 20 .223 Rem cases lubed with One Shot. After I read the directions and followed them, I have miraculously had no more stuck cases. Go figure.

 

[JimKirk]

I started out using the old sticky RCBS lube(STP) like stuff ... I swapped to the Bonanza(Forster now) oil ... picked up a tin of Imperial many years ago and have never looked back... I now only use the Imperial for rifle brass...

I did use some OneShot for some pistol/revolver brass for a while, but I have been mixing my own lanolin/alcohol lube and it is working really good ... I even use it on my brass that I have carbide dies for ... makes sizing really slick...

 

[NorthBorder]

Thanks fellas. I'll be shopping around for some imperial.

 

[Panfisher]

I am a happy user of one shot. Lay them out on an old towel, shake the can well, give everything a generous spray, mix them around, and give them another generous spray. 100 cases of 223 lubed in 30 seconds. Then go out and smoke a cigarette, get you self a hit of Redman or whatever to kill a few minutes while the carrier evaporates. I will never go back to a lube pad, slow messy and I always ended up with lube dents in the brass from using too much.

 

[TwoEyedJack]

I have lubed many thousands of cases with one shot, including .223, .22-250, .270, .30-06, .357, .41, .45 ACP, .308, 9MM, and 7MM-08. Never a stuck case, way faster than the pad, and the lube cleans off easily. I spray it down the case necks too and that helps the expander ball slide smoothly. I usually spray a bunch on an old pie tin, then stand the rifle casings in a loading block to spray inside the necks. Not really needed in .223 but makes the larger calibers easier.

 

[gamestalker]

I bought a can of One Shot quite some time ago in an attempt to find a lube that would be easier to use, wouldn't trash my media, and that would eliminate the sticky gooey mess of working with traditional lubes. But one of the idiosyncrasies of using it, as I discovered, is if it isn't permitted to dry completely, it will result in stuck cases. But another negative thing about OS is that it's expensive, and it doesn't stretch very far.

So I decided to give Dillon Case Lube a try. As I discovered, because it isn't an aresol, but rather dispensed from a pump spray bottle, application can be controlled much better, thus significantly reducing waste, and also offering more than one method of application. I apply it by using a Q tip, which means I can get several thousand or more cases per 8 oz. bottle. Actually, I think I've lubed over 4 thousand bottle necks with a bottle, maybe even more. But again the key to avoiding stuck cases with these type lubes, is they must be allowed to dry completely, and if they are even the least bit wet, brass will drag or even get stuck in the die.

As for your particular problem, spraying the inside of the die is likely the main cause of your problem, as this likely leaves some still wet lube in the die.

GS

 

[Joea132]

Yep, one shot strikes again! I switched to the homemade lanolon/alcohol mix in a "misto" olive oil sprayer. It puts a very light coating on and I've never stuck a case with it. Plus it's dirt cheap.

The misto olive oil sprayer uses a hand pump to pressurize it so it's reusable and easy to fill. The lube comes out just as aerosolized as this picture.

 

[gamestalker]

Pretty cool idea Joea132. I might give that a try actually.

GS

 

[oneounceload]

Here is the MSDS for One Shot:

http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/msds/OneShotCaseLubePumpOrRefill.pdf

2. IDENTIFICATION OF RISKS
2.1 Hazard Identification:
Danger!
Flammable liquid and vapor. Danger of serious damage to
health by prolonged exposure through inhalation.
Breathing vapors may cause drowsiness and dizziness. Causes
eye and skin irritation. Toxic to aquatic organisms,
may cause long-term adverse effects in
the aquatic environment. Possible risk of impaired fertility. Aspiration
hazard if swallowed. Can enter lungs and cause damage.
Hazard Statements
(H): H225 - Highly flammable liquid and vapour
. H304 - May be fatal if
swallowed and enters
airways. H315 - Causes skin irritatio
n. H336 - May cause drowsiness or dizzi
ness. H361 - Suspected of damaging
fertility or the unborn child. H373 - May cause damage to
organs through prolonged or repeated exposure. H411 -
Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects.

 

[joem1945]

I tried One Shot when I first started reloading. Stuck cases soI switched to Dillon Case Lube and no more stuck cases. Now I make my own with Liquid Film (lanolon) and alcohol solvent. I make it a quart at a time.

 

[homatok]

Place brass in large "zip-loc" baggie, spray in e couple of shots of "One-Shot", roll/shake the brass around for a few seconds, pour brass out, let dry completely and away we go! Been using "One-Shot" for years. Had a couple of stuck cases BUT they were my fault, not the spray lube!

 

[judgedelta]

To me, .308 has been the worse about trying to stick. Pay attention and if it feels like it is too hard to push down, don't. Take it out and lube with some Imperial then go back in. The trick with the spray is to let it dry. I stand mine up on a cookie sheet, when removed from the Zip-loc bag, for at least 10 minutes.

 

[carbine85]

Interesting that this just came up. I just got a stuck case (5.56) with my home made lube that I was excited about. I have dimpled cases with RCBS lube, but that's very few over many years and never had a problem with One Shot.
I think it all boils down to how its applied.

 

[USSR]

A stuck case thread involving One Shot lube; what are the odds?

Don

 

[higgite]

Case lube threads are always entertaining. The script usually goes:

Any commercially available case lube properly applied is the best lube in the world, bar none, and any commercially available case lube improperly applied is the work of the Devil himself.

Then there's the home cooking formulations. Everything is better with bacon.

 

[GLOOB]

Place brass in large "zip-loc" baggie, spray in e couple of shots of "One-Shot", roll/shake the brass around for a few seconds, pour brass out, let dry completely and away we go! Been using "One-Shot" for years. Had a couple of stuck cases BUT they were my fault, not the spray lube!

Yes, give this a try, and you will not be disappointed. This is how I do spray lube. After the stuff dries, you will know if your cases are lubed, properly. It's not rocket science. You can feel the lube on them. I say DON'T follow the directions on One Shot. Spraying cases as the directions state can work ok, but you are putting most of the lube on your bench and loading block, instead of the cases. It's not the most efficient method. You will have to use a lot more than you think and you don't save any time over using a hand-applied lube. With the baggie, you can use a lot less than you think, and you can do hundreds at a time.

After the carrier evaporates, the inside of the bag is coated, too. It works like a huge, disposable lube pad. If I'm going to do more cases in the next weeks or so, I will save the bag and reuse it. One little shot/spray to wet it, and it's good to go for another batch of cases.