Japan Changing Constitution for Military Buildup

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TOKYO (AFP) - Japan will once again have a "military" in name, six decades after the United States stripped the country of the right to keep armed forces, in tis first revision of the post-World War II constitution.

The revision will mean little practical change for Japan, which has skirted its 1947 constitution by calling its military the "Self-Defense Forces," but marks a symbolic milestone in breaking another post-war taboo.

But the constitutional revisions risk raising tensions with neighboring countries, which accuse Japan of not atoning for its past aggression.

US occupation forces "compiled the current Japanese constitution within nine days," said former prime minister Yoshiro Mori, who led the constitutional revisions for the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP).

"We cannot possibly say the constitution was created by the Japanese people's own hands," Mori told party faithful at a Tokyo hotel. "Finally now the time has come for us to compile our own constitution."

Mori formally presented the draft before a 50th anniversary celebration for the LDP, the conservative party that has ruled Japan almost continuously since 1955 and won an overwhelming majority in September elections.

The constitution is nearly certain to go through parliament, with the main opposition Democratic Party also backing revision. It would then be submitted to a referendum, with opinion polls indicating it would easily pass.

The constitution maintains Japan's official pacifism, keeping a clause that says: "The Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes."

Other than in name, Japan already has one of the world's best funded "militaries," devoting close to five trillion yen (44 billion dollars) to defense a year. It has skirted the constitution by calling the troops the "Self-Defense Forces."

The draft revision would keep the terminology but also use the word military.

It cuts out a paragraph in pacifist Article Nine that says "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained."

Instead, the draft says: "In order to secure peace and the independence of our country as well as the security of the state and the people, military forces for self-defense shall be maintained with the prime minister of the cabinet as the supreme commander."

In light of the revision, the LDP will also seek to create a cabinet-level defense ministry. Japan now has a "Defense Agency" which has lower status than other ministries such as foreign affairs and finance.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has tried to boost Japan's image as more than an economic power. He has deployed some 600 troops on a reconstruction mission to
Iraq, the first time since 1945 that Japan has deployed soldiers to a country where fighting is under way.

Due to the pacifist constitution, the troops in Iraq with their state of the art technology have not even fired a shot and could only use force in the strictest definition of self-defense.

Koizumi swept to re-election in September by portraying the LDP -- which has been in power for all but 10 months since 1955 -- as a champion of reform that would break up and privatize the powerful post office monopoly.

"In this time of major changes, it is our responsibility to carry out reforms to deal with society's changes while maintaining peace," Koizumi told the party meeting.


I would cream myself if they name the first two air-craft carriers the Prometheus and the Daedalus.....:evil:
 
Someday, I will collect all the Chinpoko Mon. Then I will fight the Evil Power that will reveal itself once all the Chinpoko Mon are collected.
 
Just as a reminder of times past, I'd suggest they start with Akagi, Kaga and Soryu.
 
Borachon said:
How about if they call them the "Pearl Harbor" and the "Guadalcanal"?;)

you did get my joke relating to Macross (the anime) right? :neener:
 
Ermac said:
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I would cream myself if they name the first two air-craft carriers the Prometheus and the Daedalus.....:evil:

One was an aircraft carrier, the other a sort-of landing-ship/carrier hybrid but I forget which was which. Either way, wouldn't those names be reserved for UN SPACY? :evil:

If they announce a plan to re-float the Yamato, that's another story...:D <---StarBlazers reference, for those "not hip"
 
Cellar Dweller said:
One was an aircraft carrier, the other a sort-of landing-ship/carrier hybrid but I forget which was which. Either way, wouldn't those names be reserved for UN SPACY? :evil:

If they announce a plan to re-float the Yamato, that's another story...:D <---StarBlazers reference, for those "not hip"

+1

All they need to do is build the SDF and just use the current military name of "Self Defense Force" instead of "Super Dimension Fortress"

It would seriously own if they invaded North Korea or even china with Mechs and Veritech fighters and having one of their pop stars singing during the final battle. :D
 
Or the "Trail of Tears" and the "Internment".

~Gunny
Just about every country in the world has had period(s) of Total Bastardy(tm) directed at whoever was convenient.
 
Ermac said:
It would seriously own if they invaded North Korea or even china with Mechs and Veritech fighters and having one of their pop stars singing during the final battle. :D

Also, they need to hurry up and figure out a way to make several hundred very small missiles fired in rapid succession be more effective than one normal sized missile, else they'll never have the cool "plane of spherical explosions" thing going on. I'm thinking a big ol tube with a couple hojillion RPG-7 rounds in it.

~Gunny
 
you did get my joke relating to Macross (the anime) right?

An-what?

hey, you gotta cut me some slack. We just convinced the pig to move out of the house two months ago. Right after we got this new fangled 'lectricity thang. And INDOOR TOILETS....who'd thought it?

Never read Macross...got no idea what you're talking about.

I did see the South Park Chinpokomon thing though.
Funny.
 
Borachon said:
An-what?

hey, you gotta cut me some slack. We just convinced the pig to move out of the house two months ago. Right after we got this new fangled 'lectricity thang. And INDOOR TOILETS....who'd thought it?

Never read Macross...got no idea what you're talking about.

I did see the South Park Chinpokomon thing though.
Funny.

Macross was an anime about an alien spacecracft landing in the 80's and giving humanity technology called Robo-Tech. We reversed engineered the technology and the aliens from the spacecraft that crashed came looking for the ship. They were a race of gian humans called the Zentradi and were ordered to kill all the humans by there masters - (you guessed it) The Robo-Tech Masters. Long story short - lots of war, death, a pilot falls in love with a chick, her song makes the Zentradi not want to fight = Peace. Then season 2.....
 
Ermac said:
I would cream myself if they name the first two air-craft carriers the Prometheus and the Daedalus.....:evil:

Atlantis, here we come...:neener:

I for one had to snicker at the thought of a japanese military, because i thought of teenage pimply kids with dreams of killer 1000 feet tall robots and laser beams....

That said-

Im glad japan is creating a military. This is a good thing. As for their soldiers, i am confident that they will train, learn, and fight just as good as any other army in the world, so i meant no disrespect by the above comment.

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Whats with all the "Battan death march" crap. That was 60 years ago. Itd be like saying americans are horrible people because we killed indians.

yes, THOSE specific -people were bad- but these are their great grandchildren.
 
I say good for them. As it was said they already have a military in everything but name now I just wonder if they will remain passive and neutral as they have since the end of WW2 or if what we see in Iraq (deployment even if small) will be a vision of things yet to come with them taking a more active role in military engagment's.
 
Someday, I will collect all the Chinpoko Mon. Then I will fight the Evil Power that will reveal itself once all the Chinpoko Mon are collected.

Awesome. :D

Veerryy tiny! Micoroscopic compared to your gargaaantuan penisu!

yes, is true, very tiny

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Seriously though, I think Japan is doing this with our blessing, we need an ally in the Asian co prosperity sphere so to speak.

I mean the only other ally we have is South Korea.
 
Macross was an anime about an alien spacecracft landing in the 80's and giving humanity technology called Robo-Tech. We reversed engineered the technology and the aliens from the spacecraft that crashed came looking for the ship. They were a race of gian humans called the Zentradi and were ordered to kill all the humans by there masters - (you guessed it) The Robo-Tech Masters. Long story short - lots of war, death, a pilot falls in love with a chick, her song makes the Zentradi not want to fight = Peace. Then season 2.....
Wrong.
I hate to nit pick, but you're confusing Macross and Robotech.
They're two totally different things.
 
Japan has a military, a pretty stout military. They call it a self defense force.

About a decade ago a study was done to determine just how much the military unbrella provided by the US was worth to the Japanese. The figure of $65 billion (a decade ago) comes to mind.

Militarizing Japan is a countermove to China's expansion in the region. It will also help calm down the North Koreans. Lots and lots of historical animosity in the region which was contained by the US presence. Now that we are leaving Japan I expect China to be a little more distracted.

It's well past time.
 
Borachon said:
How about if they call them the "Pearl Harbor" and the "Guadalcanal"?;)

Even barring Macross jokes, Promethius sounds *perfect*. Remember, he was the dude that stole the fire of the gods... :evil:

GunnySkox said:
Also, they need to hurry up and figure out a way to make several hundred very small missiles fired in rapid succession be more effective than one normal sized missile, else they'll never have the cool "plane of spherical explosions" thing going on. I'm thinking a big ol tube with a couple hojillion RPG-7 rounds in it.

Wait for the F22's countermissile laser batteries and high-energy microwave (really, radar-from-hell) weapon that can scramble a missile's guidance at five miles (if not cook off the warhead) to be deployed, and the only way to kill it will be simply overwhelming the countermeasures or in a stand-up-drag-out dogfight. I'd say an M260 lightweight launcher carrying 19 laser-guided Hydra-70s would be adequate.

As for mecha? Get this month's IEEE Spectrum. We're on par with them -- they have the Toyota iWalk (read as: zentradi battlepod sans gun) and we have the Neogentronyx NMX-1 and the Mechanized Propulsion X1 (read: gundam and patlabour)
 
If I had the time and resources to work on gun rights outside of the US I would help them start an NRA-type organization in South Korea and Taiwan. Those are two countries where every sane adult should have Swiss-style arms ready to go. They are both in danger of being squished by big powerful neighbors and they have a history of being run over.
 
ElTacoGrande said:
If I had the time and resources to work on gun rights outside of the US I would help them start an NRA-type organization in South Korea and Taiwan. Those are two countries where every sane adult should have Swiss-style arms ready to go. They are both in danger of being squished by big powerful neighbors and they have a history of being run over.

Too late both countries, and Japan outlawed civilian ownership of guns many moons ago.
 
They probably don't like it.

I see this as a good thing: a counter-weight to Chinese aggression.

I don't understand the jokes about a Japanese aircraft carrier. I'm sure they'll do a fine job.

Unlike the French. They built a carrier called the Charles De Gaulle. Before it was complete, they realized they had a problem with the landing deck runway being too short. Some wags on FreeRepublic suggested they rename it the Inspector Clouseau.
 
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