JBT's in my neighborhood. Grrr!!!

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They will tell you it is not welcome. And if you refuse to respect their rights, they will just take away yours.
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Wait one minute! The right to keep and bear arms IS a right, but there is no such right as the right to require other people not to do things which you find frightening. If that were a right, you could justify laws against the public display of tattoos. Many people find men with tattoos frightening. Should exposing your tattoos be outlawed too? After all, if tattoo wearers want to continue to have the liberty to decorate their bodies they need to respect the right of others not to be frightened by their tattoos, right? Some people are frightened by hammers. Believe me, it's true. What about a law against openly carrying a hammer? After all, if you want to be able to enjoy the liberty of possessing carpentry tools, you really need to start respecting the right of all people not to be frightened by the open carry of hammers, yes? You don't want to be a hypocrite, do you?
 
Technically not true. She is an "honorary" marshall and hence can carry concealed. But she doesn't have a CCW like you or I.

She did once, but got so much slack for it, she gave it up and "worked" out another way of legally carrying. Hyprocritical Elitist Bi-atch.
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Check mate. That I did not know.

One question:

Was she any more or less of an Anti when she did or did not have the CCWP?
 
Since "All of us Know WE are right", lets all just do what we're gonna do and quit whining about the subject... Besides; "Mine's Bigger Than Yours Is"...!!! ;)
 
CARRY'IN
May I point out to you that in most states Open carry was never outlawed only concealed carry,Know why?
Cause an honest man had no reason to hide his arms only criminals hid their arms so they could get the drop on the honest.
How often has an armed robbery been commited by someone openly carrying?
It is sad that so many now have to hide their guns like a CRIMINAL to conform to the ideals that cowardly sheeple believe in.
 
No offense but, what does someone from San Francisco really know about gun rights in the free world?
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We would probably know more than you about gun rights. As the gun nuts here have had our rights attacked and slowly taken away from us for over a decade now. This didn't happen because we sat compliantly and don't fight it tooth and nail, but more so because the anti's outnumbers us something like 50 billion to one.

We often know our laws better than the LE's assigned to enforce them or the crappy politicians that come up with these crappy laws in the first place.

Trust me, if family, friends, jobs, our very homes didn't tie us down to Cali, you'd see a huge damn exodus out of this freaking state to Arizona or Texas.

I can't wait till the kids grow up and leave the house and I can retire, I'm so tired of dealing with BS from all the liberal soccer moms out here. Can't even take a piss in the woods without hitting someone hugging a freaking tree.

Was she any more or less of an Anti when she did or did not have the CCWP?
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Don't know, Sometimes the people marching in the streets for world peace are the biggest war mongers in existance. Just no telling with some people. Can say though, she's always been a self serving elitist hyprocrital fugly assed bi-atch.
 
And if you refuse to respect their rights, they will just take away yours.
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You scare people when you display a sidearm. Why do you think the cops carry them; it is the power of life and death. When weapons are concealed this fear does not exist. You cannot interact with people, especially strangers, on a day to day basis displaying a sidearm without envy, suspicion, derision, ridicule, anger, and other emotions coming into play. Concealed weapons nullify this problem.

If you scare people the politicians will take advantage of this fear to further their own ends. Politicians dont care that you support RKBA, they only care about what will get them votes. If the fear is not there the Politicians cannot take advantage of it to get votes. Concealed weapons remove a big incentive for politicians to be anti-gun.
 
Actually, it was my understanding that she had given up the carry permit to one gun, but had others (I THINK in Cali you're permit lilsts the weapon). Or so I heard somewhere...
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In CA, your CCW lists 3 guns that you can carry. Only one permit to person.

She wanted the honorary marshal title so she could carry on planes as with a regular CCW you can't. Bunch of politicians got them until the Marshalls said no more it was an HONORARY title and not a way for politicians to skirt the laws.
 
You scare people when you display a sidearm. Why do you think the cops carry them; it is the power of life and death. When weapons are concealed this fear does not exist. You cannot interact with people, especially strangers, on a day to day basis displaying a sidearm without envy, suspicion, derision, ridicule, anger, and other emotions coming into play. Concealed weapons nullify this problem.

If you scare people the politicians will take advantage of this fear to further their own ends. Politicians dont care that you support RKBA, they only care about what will get them votes. If the fear is not there the Politicians cannot take advantage of it to get votes. Concealed weapons remove a big incentive for politicians to be anti-gun.
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You are exactly right.
 
"You scare people when you display a sidearm" lets try "You scare people in San Fran when you display a sidearm". Now isn't that better. Do try to visit American once and a while as I think you will like it. So many people from Kali think the whole freeking country is just like them, which would make us all a bunch of moon bats.

I had a delivery guy from NY in my home the other day and he remarked at my sidearm. I intended for it to be covered, but long story short he saw it anyway. He wasn't freeked out, but mentioned that he wasn't "used" to the south just yet. Funny thing how his co-worker mentioned he kept a gun in his car, and my wife gave a perky "so do I". The encounter did much to teach the yank about his new home, and I think opened his eyes to the real america.

I bet if you walked down town SF with chapps on you would blend in fine. Do that here and you'll be talking with one of our finest in short order. I think the opinion differences have much to do with culture.

wrx
 
I think the opinion differences have much to do with culture.
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Perhaps. But I lived in Mobile Alabama for seven years and never saw anyone wearing guns (except police). Nicest people I have ever met anywhere. And everyone had guns; took a letter from your preacher to get a CCW back then. Almost all of the homicides were young black men in bar fights with knives- average prison term 6 years. Someone kicked down my next door neighbors apartment door one day and she was screaming "he's going to kill me", I got my shotgun and was opening the door to intercede when he stomped out of her apartment in a rage and left. I asked her if she wanted me to call the police and she said "he is a policeman." Just a story I thought I would throw in :) .
 
Someone kicked down my next door neighbors apartment door one day and she was screaming "he's going to kill me", I got my shotgun and was opening the door to intercede when he stomped out of her apartment in a rage and left.
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Don't tell me- you would've been on scene to help her sooner while he was still there, but you were still working on concealing your shotgun before you left your apartment?

(sorry)
 
CARRY'IN,

I've been to Mobile once in my life for about four days...with only one eye working. Can't really tell you about open carry there. Or concealed.

Many of your attitudes seem to be shaped by your environment. My sympathies.

Have you every examined your bigotry? The offensive stereotypes you use? I don't think you used them in public during your stay in Mobile, friend.

I wouldn't be surprised if people reacted in the manner you claimed in San Francisco.

People don't react that way here. You need to get out of California more often. You're turning into a walking advertisement for the people who are praying for the Big One to hit California or for Southern California to be ceded to Aztlan activists.

You're already accepting the party line of the gun grabbers in some areas. How long before the dark side of the force eats your soul, Skywalker?:D
 
"You scare people when you display a sidearm" lets try "You scare people in San Fran when you display a sidearm". Now isn't that better. Do try to visit American once and a while as I think you will like it. So many people from Kali think the whole freeking country is just like them, which would make us all a bunch of moon bats.
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I've traveled the world many times over not to mention this great country and this "fear" is not isolated to the people of San Francisco. So lets stop stereotyping.

Packing a pistol is fine in the more rural areas, but seriously, packing one down the streets of SF, LA, NY or any other cosmopolitian city will get you a lot of trouble. Try carrying openly down Phoenix, AR or Austin TX (more g-friendly states) and tell me if people will fear you. I'll bet you money you'll spend some time having to explain yourself to the local PD.

Beside, concealed is just a little more gentile if you ask me. I hate scaring the ladies with my big barreled gun. :evil: :evil:
 
You scare people when you display a sidearm. Why do you think the cops carry them; it is the power of life and death. When weapons are concealed this fear does not exist. You cannot interact with people, especially strangers, on a day to day basis displaying a sidearm without envy, suspicion, derision, ridicule, anger, and other emotions coming into play. Concealed weapons nullify this problem.

If you scare people the politicians will take advantage of this fear to further their own ends. Politicians dont care that you support RKBA, they only care about what will get them votes. If the fear is not there the Politicians cannot take advantage of it to get votes. Concealed weapons remove a big incentive for politicians to be anti-gun.
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Lets rewrite this to illustrate the fallacy shall we?

You scare people when you allow blacks to sit at the lunch counter or in the front of the bus. Why do you think the cops arrest them when they do this? When blacks are concealed this fear does not exist. You cannot interact with white people, especially strangers, on a day to day basis as a black man without envy, suspicion, derision, ridicule, anger, and other emotions coming into play. Keeping the blacks out of sight nullifies this problem.

If you scare people the politicians will take advantage of this fear to further their own ends. Politicians dont care that you support freedom for all races, they only care about what will get them votes. If the fear is not there the Politicians cannot take advantage of it to get votes. Keeping blacks out of polite society removes a big incentive for politicians to be anti-black.

Is what you are saying a little clearer now?
 
What are you talking about? This is getting pretty lame if that is best you can do.
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I am talking about bigotry directed toward the people you described as:

Nicest people I have ever met anywhere.
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Jimbo with front tooth missing. Joebob....


Tell you what. Go back to Mobile. Go to a working class bar. Start talking about how the people in Mobile are the nicest you have ever met. Except for the occasional "Jimbo with the front tooth missing" and "Joebob." Hold forth on your worldview in that manner. Expand upon it. Give us a report on the enthusiasm of your audience.

Bigotry, I said. Bigotry, I meant.
 
Except for the occasional "Jimbo with the front tooth missing" and "Joebob."
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Come to SF Byron, to rodeo's at the cow palace, to the county fairs, to the leather shops downtown. You cant drive through the hills without smelling horse crap. Plenty of Jimbo's and Joebob's around here. Your psychic powers need fine tuning. Dont assume, ask first.
 
We would probably know more than you about gun rights. As the gun nuts here have had our rights attacked and slowly taken away from us for over a decade now. This didn't happen because we sat compliantly and don't fight it tooth and nail, but more so because the anti's outnumbers us something like 50 billion to one.
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Or did you draw too many lines in the sand rather than really fight? When they finally take your last gun away where will you be? And what good are the guns you have if you are too afraid to let someone see them?
 
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