ds/ks
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I had one 25 years ago, it flew apart within 50 rds. Used Smith or Ruger in 38spl/357mag is where I'd lean.
Jennings J-22 oppinions for wife
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jcwit
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Yeah its sad alright.
You sir and I use that loosely, never answered the questions asked in post #37. Of course I realize that matters not a whit as it was not you who asked the question.
Yup its sad alright, been evident along.
You sir and I use that loosely, never answered the questions asked in post #37. Of course I realize that matters not a whit as it was not you who asked the question.
Yup its sad alright, been evident along.
Carl N. Brown
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I will admit that I have a J22 that I sometimes carry in my field jacket pocket, loaded clip, empty chamber.
But . . . purse gun for my wife. Ran across the J-22 at local gun shop . . . I would not recommend it as a first time protection gun for a spouse, purchasing the gun sight unseen and untested. A used J22 (or even a new one) may be good or it may be messed up beyond recovery. I would put the 90.00 toward a more solid choice with more safety features for purse carry.
But . . . purse gun for my wife. Ran across the J-22 at local gun shop . . . I would not recommend it as a first time protection gun for a spouse, purchasing the gun sight unseen and untested. A used J22 (or even a new one) may be good or it may be messed up beyond recovery. I would put the 90.00 toward a more solid choice with more safety features for purse carry.
To answer to your post # 37
1) I'm not the one that suggested a $600 Beretta...I simply advised to spend $50 more to get a Makarov, if you read my post.
2) I saw two cases of malfunctioning and self destruct...witnessed personally at the range...do a quick web search on Jennings/Bryco/Lorcin/Raven and read the horror stories and impressions...I do not need to tell you....do your own homework.
3) I'm not biased against cheap guns at all......other than my S&W revolver I own cheap guns myself and I trust my life on them...my Bersa and my Kel-Tec.
Hi-Points are very reliable and tough and you can buy their .380 or 9 mm new for $130.....40 dollar more than the infamous used Jennings 22 the OP was offered at $90...he was being ripped off pure and simple.
There are cheap guns and there is dangerous junk....
4) 22 Long Rifle is inadequate for personal defense..if you take the VERY important decision to defend your life with a gun you shold get a device that you can trust and with reasonable effectiveness....I would never go under 32 ACP as the absolute minimum which is good even for weak hands...yes yes, grizzly bears have been killed with a 22...but you get the picture.
Same if you decide to drive a car...would you or would you let one of your family member go around with a car where there is the risk of the wheels falling off?? I do not think so....I hope
We did beat this dog to death in this and other posts but you still don't get it....
Average Joe
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NO, don't do it. Jennings = junk.
jcwit
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OK now we got somewhere.
I suggest you go back and reread all my posts on this thread, you seem to be trying to combine this thread with another.
Not once did I suggest a Jennings/Raven/Bryco or whatever. In face I believe you can note that
I leaned towards a revolver as a good choice to avoid the problem a lady may have racking the slide.
You and others brought up the Jennings/Bryco ect. mfg. I defended a place for mfg. of economy pistols. Again I never brought up the J/B/R/ ect., arms, you did.
I do believe a Makarov is a good choice, pepper spray is also a good alternative on the cheap.
Regarding how bad a certain firearm may be, to read the forums Kimber is not thought to highly by many, neither are some models of S/W.
I suggest you go back and reread all my posts on this thread, you seem to be trying to combine this thread with another.
Not once did I suggest a Jennings/Raven/Bryco or whatever. In face I believe you can note that
I leaned towards a revolver as a good choice to avoid the problem a lady may have racking the slide.
You and others brought up the Jennings/Bryco ect. mfg. I defended a place for mfg. of economy pistols. Again I never brought up the J/B/R/ ect., arms, you did.
I do believe a Makarov is a good choice, pepper spray is also a good alternative on the cheap.
Regarding how bad a certain firearm may be, to read the forums Kimber is not thought to highly by many, neither are some models of S/W.
tgh97531
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I owned and sold my J22. Unreliable. Purchased a used Kel Tec P32 for $225. Great little gun, accurate, reliable, light weight,
Well, the original poster asked about a Jennings so this is the reason why I was talking about them.
I totally agree with you about the revolver for a lady with a potential problem racking the slide...the other day I saw an old Bernardelli 32 S&W Long 4" barrel for $130 used...very good choice.
Some people do not like them but the old Charter Arms are good too if is in good shape...below $200 for decent specimen.
One of my few "brand" pistol was a Tanfoglio Witness...I had to get rid of it because of malfunctioning..my cheap pistols work so much better so I'm not biased toward the famous brand.
Cheap brands:
Makarov are good, Hi Point ok, Bersa excellent, Taurus very good (got their act together..not the older ones) RIA, excellent and others.
But when it comes to Bryco/Lorcin/Jennings/Raven...bad bad bad bad......as you said...better pepper spray or a goood knife.
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DrLaw
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Long Range. Try saving up a bit as opposed to jumping in on something that looks good at a low price. I know the feeling.
Some stores do lay-away as an option. When I was younger and poorer, I did that to get several guns. You might look into that.
I was going to comment that maybe this guy does not want to pay for a divorce, but I see from the other replies here you gave that you are serious about your wife's safety. If I lived in a state where we could have concealed carry, I would be worried, too. However, we cannot carry concealed here in Illinois, so why should I worry all the time, you can't, it'll drive you nuts.
Anyway, I would suggest a good small revolver like a Charter Arms or a used Smith & Wesson snub. You can find both in pawn shops or from dealers using Gunbroker (by cutting a deal with them outside of Gunbroker). If you wife can handle a semi-auto, there are a lot of good surplus small autos out there, as well as some new ones like the Bersa. John Browning used to carry his 1910 all around and shoot it on a regular basis. The only reason they aren't in favor now seems to be the reluctance to carry one with one in the chamber.
Mull your choices over, but don't jump at the first one. Your wife will appreciate the consideration
The Doc is out now.
Some stores do lay-away as an option. When I was younger and poorer, I did that to get several guns. You might look into that.
I was going to comment that maybe this guy does not want to pay for a divorce, but I see from the other replies here you gave that you are serious about your wife's safety. If I lived in a state where we could have concealed carry, I would be worried, too. However, we cannot carry concealed here in Illinois, so why should I worry all the time, you can't, it'll drive you nuts.
Anyway, I would suggest a good small revolver like a Charter Arms or a used Smith & Wesson snub. You can find both in pawn shops or from dealers using Gunbroker (by cutting a deal with them outside of Gunbroker). If you wife can handle a semi-auto, there are a lot of good surplus small autos out there, as well as some new ones like the Bersa. John Browning used to carry his 1910 all around and shoot it on a regular basis. The only reason they aren't in favor now seems to be the reluctance to carry one with one in the chamber.
Mull your choices over, but don't jump at the first one. Your wife will appreciate the consideration
The Doc is out now.
C-grunt
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I see the Jennings and Lorcins at work every so often. I now work in a nicer part of Phx. They are complete junk. You might get one that works, but I would bet money it wont. Plus like people have said, 90 bucks is more than they were new.
Think of it this way. If you had to buy her a car that one day without notice, she would have to drive 500 miles at high speed. If the car broke down she would die. Would you buy her a used Daewoo or a used Honda for a little more.
Check out JGsales.com. They have surplus pistols there for about 150 bucks I believe. Here is one also in a much more powerful caliber.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.../2453?osCsid=b9a7fdf1cd0694d6e82882492111e215
Truthfully, I would trust my life to the 80 dollar Nagant revolver they sell at J&G over that Jennings any day of the week. At least the Nagant is battle proven.
Think of it this way. If you had to buy her a car that one day without notice, she would have to drive 500 miles at high speed. If the car broke down she would die. Would you buy her a used Daewoo or a used Honda for a little more.
Check out JGsales.com. They have surplus pistols there for about 150 bucks I believe. Here is one also in a much more powerful caliber.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.../2453?osCsid=b9a7fdf1cd0694d6e82882492111e215
Truthfully, I would trust my life to the 80 dollar Nagant revolver they sell at J&G over that Jennings any day of the week. At least the Nagant is battle proven.
bikerdoc
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I buy every jennings I can find, take them out about 15 miles offshore and scatter the parts!
richyoung
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1. .22 rimfire, in any flavor, is not suitable for self defense. Due to its outside-lubed heel type bullet, and rimfire priming, it is too prone to contamination and failure to fire, especially when exposed to gun oils. Its fine for small game and plinking, but NOT slef-defense! If .22lr is the most recoil a person can handle, then get a handgun in .25 ACP, or a .38 Special revolver with very light target loads. If, as I suspect, she can handle more recoil, .32 S&W long, (can fired with shorts for practice) / .32 ACP should be a minimum for a defensive round. 32 H&R Magnum / 9X18 Mackorov / light .38 Special is even better.
2. I've owned a Jennings J22. Damned thing self-dis-assembled mid shot, and launched the striker backwards at warp 8 right at my right eye. Were it not for shooting glasses, I would look like a pirate right now. Morel?
A. Don't shoot without eye and ear protection.
B. Don't shoot a Jennings.
2. I've owned a Jennings J22. Damned thing self-dis-assembled mid shot, and launched the striker backwards at warp 8 right at my right eye. Were it not for shooting glasses, I would look like a pirate right now. Morel?
A. Don't shoot without eye and ear protection.
B. Don't shoot a Jennings.
Duke of Doubt
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That's a fine public service you perform, bikerdoc. Hope it doesn't take too big a chunk out of your walking-around money.
I'm not sure I've ever encountered a Jennings. Maybe I've seen them at shows and just overlooked them. They were illegal to sell in several places I've lived -- Maryland, for example, requires all pistol designs to pass a Gun Board -- and no dealer would be able to sell them, so they likely went across (or into) the river. In Maine, I can't imagine someone actually buying one, when Hi-Points are only a bit more and nowadays actually look pretty cool. I've read so much about the little things over the years, I'm actually kind of curious. But if I found one at a show, I think I'd avoid handling it for fear of breaking it (or even putting my prints onto it).
I'm not sure I've ever encountered a Jennings. Maybe I've seen them at shows and just overlooked them. They were illegal to sell in several places I've lived -- Maryland, for example, requires all pistol designs to pass a Gun Board -- and no dealer would be able to sell them, so they likely went across (or into) the river. In Maine, I can't imagine someone actually buying one, when Hi-Points are only a bit more and nowadays actually look pretty cool. I've read so much about the little things over the years, I'm actually kind of curious. But if I found one at a show, I think I'd avoid handling it for fear of breaking it (or even putting my prints onto it).
I would not carry a .22 as a primary gun. I have from time to time carried it as a backup, but I regard the rimfire primer to be generally unreliable.
That being said an NAA can be bought at Academy for like $175.00 or so. Small, reliable, why not?
Regarding Jennings, I actually have a few Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin .25's and .380's and find them to be OK guns. The caliber concerns me more than the gun itself in .25 and in .380 it is mag capacity. I have fired these guns and can tell you that 90% of what you just read on this entire thread is crap.
Sure the parts wear out, they do on any gun, replacement is cheap and easy. They are a carry often shoot seldom design. The safety doesn't lend itself to carrying condition 1, so you would be carrying condition 3, which is what I would expect from a purse gun anyway.
FYI, I bought my Lorcin and Sundance .25's for $45 each. If you buy a used gun plan an shooting it to find out which parts are worn, from there numerich can supply the replacements.
PM me for advice or post at http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/ if you do buy it. Don't bother here.
Summit gun broker is a good place to get the confiscated stuff cheap. He doesn't always have them, but it's worth a call / e-mail.
That being said an NAA can be bought at Academy for like $175.00 or so. Small, reliable, why not?
Regarding Jennings, I actually have a few Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin .25's and .380's and find them to be OK guns. The caliber concerns me more than the gun itself in .25 and in .380 it is mag capacity. I have fired these guns and can tell you that 90% of what you just read on this entire thread is crap.
Sure the parts wear out, they do on any gun, replacement is cheap and easy. They are a carry often shoot seldom design. The safety doesn't lend itself to carrying condition 1, so you would be carrying condition 3, which is what I would expect from a purse gun anyway.
FYI, I bought my Lorcin and Sundance .25's for $45 each. If you buy a used gun plan an shooting it to find out which parts are worn, from there numerich can supply the replacements.
PM me for advice or post at http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/ if you do buy it. Don't bother here.
Summit gun broker is a good place to get the confiscated stuff cheap. He doesn't always have them, but it's worth a call / e-mail.
trekgod3
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Can't go wrong with a Kel-Tec P3-AT or P32. As for a .25, you might be able to find a "baby" browning:
Duke of Doubt
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There's a Baby Browning for sale at a local shop, in nice shape. Cute little thing, and it'd slip right into a vest or coat pocket. But it's $199, and the .25ACP is an annoying little rodent exterminator round.
richyoung
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For the record, my J22 was puchased new in the box, scrupulously cleaned, and had all of 200 rounds through it when it pulled its little self-disassembly trick. They are zinc framed time bombs and I would not trust them for anything.
If you still buy that gun after 100% of the replys were negative, you get what you deserve.
You asked a question and it was answered.
I had one, it was junk. I only paid $50 for it new and I feel it was not worth it. $90 is a joke. For $150, you can get a decent gun.
You asked a question and it was answered.
I had one, it was junk. I only paid $50 for it new and I feel it was not worth it. $90 is a joke. For $150, you can get a decent gun.
richyoung said:
There is nothing wrong with Zinc frames... Jennings isn't the greatest quality in the world, but you folks are buying into an anti gun rub.
I have had as much trouble with Taurus guns as with Byrco / Lorcin et al. A little elbow grease and they can be made into a neat gun. I wouldn't dare try to gunsmith my name brand stuff, so these make nice hobbies. Usually can get them into shape and haven't had any real problems.
C-grunt
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Yes but something that you have to put a little elbow grease into is a good hobby, not a good defensive tool. I dont want my next step in my hobby to show up when Im fighting for my families life.
Big Daddy Grim
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horrible gun hell a hi-point would be better and there crap
C-grunt
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But Hi-points tend to be actually quite reliable and sufficiently accurate.
They are ugly heavy beasts though.
They are ugly heavy beasts though.
jcwit
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mbt2001hasfinally brought up one of the main points against these pistols, because of their price they have been maligned as a Sat. noght special and of no use whatsoever.
Maybe we should just tell the person that started this whole thread to buy his wife nothing as everything is out of his price range or budget this way she can be totally defenless and be at the mercy of whatever happens.
Would I personnally use this as my 1st line of defense, no, but its better than nothing.
Would any of you naysayers agree to start coming at me from the 25 yd. line with the knife of your choice while I attemped to defend myself with a .22 raven. Only a fool would answer yes to this question.
As stated its better than nothing till something better is affordable then said cheapo can be the perferable paper weight or tackle box gun.
As others stated "You just don't get it".
Just checked GB regarding prices on these and they range any where from $60.00 to $299.00. Of courst its not known what they will actually sell for and granted one is born every minute.
Maybe we should just tell the person that started this whole thread to buy his wife nothing as everything is out of his price range or budget this way she can be totally defenless and be at the mercy of whatever happens.
Would I personnally use this as my 1st line of defense, no, but its better than nothing.
Would any of you naysayers agree to start coming at me from the 25 yd. line with the knife of your choice while I attemped to defend myself with a .22 raven. Only a fool would answer yes to this question.
As stated its better than nothing till something better is affordable then said cheapo can be the perferable paper weight or tackle box gun.
As others stated "You just don't get it".
Just checked GB regarding prices on these and they range any where from $60.00 to $299.00. Of courst its not known what they will actually sell for and granted one is born every minute.
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