Jesse Jackson on DC gun ban ruling...

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Megistopoda

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Dear Freedom Lovers:

Anyone up for deluging the well-intentioned but sorely illogical Reverend with messages from the silent, armed majority? People like Jackson need to feel the energy used to reprimand Zumbo, the same energy that was hugely invigorated when the DC Federal Appeal court ruled to what we've always known.

I will be writing the reverend, and have conveniently placed his email address just below. There are plenty of talking points nestled in his column.

Here's hoping that you write and let him know how you feel.


Activist judge takes aim at gun law

March 13, 2007 Chicago Sun-Times
BY JESSE JACKSON ([email protected])

Like many cities, the District of Columbia has a crime problem. It is getting worse, not better, as a new wave of drugs drives new gang disputes. Unlike most cities, the District of Columbia has a real and present concern about terrorism. The Pentagon was hit on Sept. 11, and the district remains at the top of any target list.

Sensibly, the district has passed one of the most strict gun-control laws in the country. It bans possession of handguns. The district's police are the leading supporters of this law. They want the ability to arrest anyone carrying a weapon, or stockpiling them in their homes, preferably before the shooting begins. The district doesn't manufacture guns. It doesn't manufacture drugs, either. Both are imported, often by what might be termed terrorist gangs. For the overwhelming majority of district residents, tough gun laws make sense.

But last week, a federal Appeals Court, in a bizarre 2-1 decision, overturned the district's long-standing handgun ban as a violation of the Second Amendment of the Constitution. The majority ruled that the city cannot prevent people from keeping handguns in their homes. The ruling also struck down a requirement that gun owners keep their guns unloaded and disassembled. Federal Judge Laurence Silberman wrote the opinion. He doesn't care that the district's democratically elected government passed the law. He certainly scorns the notion that the vast majority of district residents support strict arms control.

The Second Amendment states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

As Justice Karen LeCraft Henderson, a Republican appointee, wrote in her dissent, the Second Amendment rights relate to "those militia whose continued vitality is required to safeguard the individual States." In those days, the citizen militia was central to state's rights. The amendment was a reaction to the attempt of the British king to suppress the state militias and an expression of the Founders' concern that an overbearing federal government might suppress the militias to bolster their own power.

It is states and localities that generally regulate the right to bear arms. In much of the country, where rifles are commonplace and hunting is a tradition, gun laws are pretty lax. In many urban areas, where crime is a problem, citizens demand stricter laws. Both are a pretty good reflection of democracy.

Silberman's ruling, however, tramples democracy -- even as it distorts the Founders' intent. The concern for a "well regulated militia" is a far remove from the judge's ruling which would make sensible gun control impossible in our nation's urban areas.

Not surprisingly, the district's energetic new mayor, Mayor Adrian Fenty, harshly criticized this judicial usurpation, saying that it "flies in the face of gun laws that have helped decrease gun violence in the District of Columbia." The district is likely to appeal for a hearing before the full appeals court -- and if necessary, to the Supreme Court.

The boneheaded decision not only ignores precedent, it also reveals the real threat of a court system packed with right-wing zealots. Silberman is a notorious right-wing operative, deeply compromised by his partisan involvement in the effort to smear Bill Clinton. He is the kind of justice that President Bush denounces regularly -- a judicial activist, prepared to elevate his own political ideology over that of the elected representatives of the people, and eager to engage in judicial lawmaking if it fits his ideological bent.

This new right-wing judicial activism is yoked to the extreme right causes of the National Rifle Association, the anti-choice lobby and the corporate boardrooms. They are prepared to trample the laws enacted by democratically elected legislatures to implant their policies from the bench. The U.S. courts are now packed with these ideologues. And the decision last week shows that the civilizing advances of recent decades -- in civil rights, gun control, workers' rights, women's rights -- are now at risk from this marauding horde.
 
I like the fact that he blames the NRA at the end of his article. I also am intrigued by his fear of the right wing zealot judges. I wonder what he thinks about left wing zealot judges legislating from the bench?
 
It's not worth the time spent to email him - it won't make a dent in what he thinks or says even IF he read the response.

Funny how he cannot stray from simple name-calling.
 
I love how people who don't own guns themselves are suddenly experts in the subject :scrutiny:
 
And this my friends....

He doesn't care that the district's democratically elected government passed the law. He certainly scorns the notion that the vast majority of district residents support strict arms control.

Is because we live in a Republic, not a democracy. A democracy is mob rule. A republic is makes sure that the minority’s rights are preserved. Remember Jesse, the “majority” of people (who could vote) in the 1700’s favored slavery…. Now, aren’t you glad that we live in a republic?
 
Jesse Jackson is so wedded to the plantation mentality that he cannot conceive of African-Americans as free citizens who should have the right to own guns. His image of blacks as slaves bowing to the white liberal "massa" and existing on handouts from the white establishment is so outdated that it is pathetic. The man can rant about civil rights, but deep in his being, he is still an Uncle Tom.

Jim
 
The funniest part is that he keeps pounding the idea that just because a law is passed, it is a good law, and should never be ruled unconstitutional.

He doesn't care that the district's democratically elected government passed the law.

and

trample the laws enacted by democratically elected legislatures

Well if that's the case, Mr. Civil Rights, then why can't we own slaves today? I live in South Carolina. Many years ago, my democratically elected officials told me it was ok to own other human beings as slaves. Why was that ruled unconstitutional?

Because it violated the basic rights of man... just like the DC gun ban violated one's right to self defense.

(No offense to anyone, I just wanted to demonstrate the pathetic argument he attempted to employ.)
 
Heh.

I was just having that argument with some maroon over on DU; the idea that just because the majority approves of a law or the majority of legislators vote for it, it must be just and constitutional is laughable. Heck, even the fact that the SCOTUS says something is so doesn't make it so, frankly--Plessy v. Ferguson used to be the law of the land AND was supported by the majority...

But that didn't mean the civil rights movement of the 20th C was wrong.

I wonder what ole JJ would say to that.

Frankly I'd love to see him have an debate with this guy:

http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/

I know where I'd put my money. :)
 
Hey, Jesse, so if a majority wishes to say . . . oh, I don't know . . . discriminate against Blacks, then it's O.K.?

Were not Jim Crow laws passed by democratically elected legislatures? How about school segregation wasn't that majority rule down Souf? Wasn't slavery passed by democratically elected Southern legislatures?

I live in a Republic, Jesse, not a socialist mobocracy where you wish I lived.:mad:
 
I met him

in 1965, at a Quaker meeting when I was a freshman in college. He impressed me then as (to stay high road) as a man who valued appearance above substance.
Sadly, nothing I have read about him since then has challenged that perception.
 
Its sad that so many people take him seriously. I almost can't help but laugh every time I see him on the news spouting off about some new "issue."
 
I love how some folks (anti-gun liberals) keep referring to two judges who decided to uphold the Constitution as "activist judges." If that's an example of judicial activism, more power to 'em!
 
I hate the term judicial activism. It's just another meaningless word for someone to complain about a ruling they don't like.

Having said that, if Jesse Jackson disagrees with the ruling, I encourage him to put together a movement to repeal the second amendment.

It'll just expose him as the wacko he truly is.
 
Since the starter of this thread wanted it, I'm re-opening to post his letter to the good Rev. Jackson:

"Reverend Jackson:

I read your article in the Chicago Sun-Times today. I find it inconsistent that you don't support the DC Circuit Court's decision to firmly uphold a constitutional right of the people. You of all people know that gun crimes are committed where criminals are prevalent, not where guns are prevalent. You know that because you're familiar with Chicago's Englewood and Austin neighborhoods. I know too, because I used to live in rural Texas where everyone was armed to the teeth yet there was zero gun crime. Now I live near Chicago...where guns are banned but there is LOTS of gun crime. I won't get into the numbers, and the breakdowns, because you're probably already aware of them.

In school I learned that United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. Yes, our government is democratically elected. But in a constitutional republic, citizens are not governed by the majority, but by rule of law. It is this very rule of law, the hallmark of a Republic, which diminishes majority rule and thereby protects everyone, but particularly minority groups, from the tyranny of the majority.

This is where you, and people like Rich Daley and Adrian Fenty fail to understand how America works. Because of rule of law, it doesn't matter if 95% of the people in DC want a handgun ban, or 85% of the people in Cook County want a semi-automatic rifle ban. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, affirms the right of the people to keep and bear arms (regardless of their majority or minority status). For that reason, it doesn't matter if the majority wants to bring back slavery. The 13th Amendment, ratified in 1865, prohibits a democratically (majority) elected government body from doing so. The majority that you claim wants to ban handguns in DC (and thus should get their way in your reasoning) might one day be the same majority that wants to repeal the anti-slavery amendment. I wouldn't like that, would you?

Jesse, with all due respect, you can't have it both ways. You are a champion for the rights of African Americans and others. You rightly have the rule of law on your side. I happen to own firearms, and I have the rule of law on my side. The point here is that we BOTH have the rule of law on our side, because we are both Americans.

Given this, you ought to reconsider your position on the DC gun ban ruling. It's a good ruling, and a correct ruling. You might not personally like it, but you can't say it's not a correct ruling with a straight face. We cannot simply pick and choose which constitutionally-affirmed rights we want and those we don't. Because of this, your article on the DC Circuit ruling is logically inconsistent. You of all people must face up to reality.

I recommend you spend your time working in your communities, such as Englewood and Austin, where the gun violence is happening. It sure isn't happening in my neighborhood, and lots of us here own guns. I want crime to cease, too, but will never give up my rights in return.

Respectfully,
"Megistopoda"

In further discussion, spare me the Low Road stuff, okay?
 
I wouldn't expect anything less from this guy.

Liberals seem to forget we have a constitution and it's what primarily separates from many other countries.

We have a judicial branch to balance out the power of the legislature to make sure the politicians don't take away our civil liberties.

He states "right wing zealots". I find it quite the opposite. The judges were only upholding the constitution. A judge that would state "Yes, I understand the second amendment but choose to ignore it" is legislating from the bench. Just like the judge that voted against stated that the amendment only applies to militias when it clearly states the right of the people.

Hopefully someday the supreme court will make a ruling but the way things our looking there will be a majority of "Jesse Jackson" type judges on the bench if the Democrats gain control.
 
He either doesn't understand what "judicial activism" means, or [more likely] knows exactly what it means, but is counting on his audience not knowing. And considering who that audience is, that's very likely.
 
I think that the whole notion of "judicial activism" itself is incredibly scary. It is a PC way for the majority to try and impose its will on whichever minority is being targeted (read "persecution"). Conservatives have been using the term for gay rights, and now liberals are using the term for gun rights.

Everyone forgets that whole point of the judicial branch is that it is NOT democratically elected, NOT subject to the whims of the majority, but instead guided by the Constitution.

If the mentality of "judicial activism" persists, gun rights will simply be one of many rights minority groups will have stripped from them.
 
one question. WHAT MAKES JESSE JACKSON AN EXPERT ON ANYTHING? seriously? I mean I hate to ask an obvious question, but what kind of authority does he have? what education? what training? Ok, so he's a reverend...does that make him the spokesperson for every black person? I doubt it.
 
The district doesn't manufacture guns. It doesn't manufacture drugs, either. Both are imported, often by DC residents or, unfortunately, the sizeable criminal element in the District.

There, I've corrected it for him. I took the high road and didn't identify any Congressional members of the "criminal element."

jm
 
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Nevermind. Not going to waste my energy on people like that anymore. I'm done.

Youth and ignorance, sure, but I'm tired of turning blue in the face for people that have the intelligence and experience but choose to see only what they want to see, or worse, what they want everyone else to believe, knowing full well that it's bunk.
 
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