brett30030
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A ccw for you and night time gun for your wife? It seems like one of you is always doing without. That is like having a car with only one seat belt.
Joint use weapon: CCW and wife use...
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Treo
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Nope.
Wifey needs to select her own gun. Take wifey to the nearest gunshop let her play, let her decide which gun fits her best and is most comfortable to her and let that be her night table gun.
A few suggestions for her perusal
CZ-82 (12+1 9X18)
CZ 2075 (14+1 9mm 10+1 .40)
CZ 83 (12+1 ? .380)
CZ 75 compact (not sure on the capacity available in 9mm & .40)
arizonaguide
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She doesn't wan't to carry CCW, but will almost always be with me (as she drives very little).
But I want her to at least train with my CCW, and it will be in her nightstand (and take to saferoom) gun in event of emergency. So, it MUST fit her hand.
I have the 12ga (and Browning) for night at home, but will CCW the final smaller rig during the day.
(Also once we get the CCW gun, the Browning will probably go in the safe)
She will have access to the 12ga at home during the day/night...while I'm out with CCW gun.
She(we) will be training with the CCWgun and the Shotgun extensively...and she probably WILL eventually want one of her own! (unless Obama succeeds on banning ALL semi auto weapons as he's stated is his goal in his first year).
So, I have to get one + ammo,ammo,ammo before inaugeration! (and got about $500 to do it between now and then).
Maybe another plus for a wheelgun? But he'll just add those to the list as well, I'm sure.
Beans and Bullets, Boys, Beans and Bullets. Before January 21!!!
But I want her to at least train with my CCW, and it will be in her nightstand (and take to saferoom) gun in event of emergency. So, it MUST fit her hand.
I have the 12ga (and Browning) for night at home, but will CCW the final smaller rig during the day.
(Also once we get the CCW gun, the Browning will probably go in the safe)
She will have access to the 12ga at home during the day/night...while I'm out with CCW gun.
She(we) will be training with the CCWgun and the Shotgun extensively...and she probably WILL eventually want one of her own! (unless Obama succeeds on banning ALL semi auto weapons as he's stated is his goal in his first year).
So, I have to get one + ammo,ammo,ammo before inaugeration! (and got about $500 to do it between now and then).
Maybe another plus for a wheelgun? But he'll just add those to the list as well, I'm sure.
Beans and Bullets, Boys, Beans and Bullets. Before January 21!!!
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oneounceload
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Arizona -
Excellent that you BOTH want to be able to shoot something, especially in the SHTF scenario - BUT - what works best for you might NOT be the same.....you might want a J frame for CCW, while she might like a Seecamp of XD or whatever for nightstand use
The point of my last point is this - whatever the BOTH of you decide to get....make sure each of you can shoot the other, and while the personal favorite may be different, make sure each of you can at least operate the other's personal choice - even if it's not your own
case in point - my wife likes a 1943 Beretta 380, while I prefer a K-frame 357, and there are a few Glocks........but do we both practice with both - she is more proficient with hers, as I am with mine - but could we both use the other person's gun??...yep....might not be the best, but it will work
keep that in mind
Excellent that you BOTH want to be able to shoot something, especially in the SHTF scenario - BUT - what works best for you might NOT be the same.....you might want a J frame for CCW, while she might like a Seecamp of XD or whatever for nightstand use
The point of my last point is this - whatever the BOTH of you decide to get....make sure each of you can shoot the other, and while the personal favorite may be different, make sure each of you can at least operate the other's personal choice - even if it's not your own
case in point - my wife likes a 1943 Beretta 380, while I prefer a K-frame 357, and there are a few Glocks........but do we both practice with both - she is more proficient with hers, as I am with mine - but could we both use the other person's gun??...yep....might not be the best, but it will work
keep that in mind
louie19
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OK I'm not really sure why she can't just have the shotgun nearby since she will be training with it. And 12 gauge seems large for a small lady.
Definitely get two, if not right away - over time. That way also if one breaks down, you can still CCW and use for home defense. You can also think of it as having two cars, which most people have nowadays. That way you can "drive" with one and she can "drive" with the other, except we're talking about handguns.
So you should probably try to get something that is like your Browning, but smaller since you're used to how it operates. It'd probably be useful to get something that also operates the same way for your wife, but sized for her hand. Some makers have different grip inserts now too that will help with this. So basically you need to take her to the gun shop / range.
Definitely get two, if not right away - over time. That way also if one breaks down, you can still CCW and use for home defense. You can also think of it as having two cars, which most people have nowadays. That way you can "drive" with one and she can "drive" with the other, except we're talking about handguns.
So you should probably try to get something that is like your Browning, but smaller since you're used to how it operates. It'd probably be useful to get something that also operates the same way for your wife, but sized for her hand. Some makers have different grip inserts now too that will help with this. So basically you need to take her to the gun shop / range.
My experience is that the smaller a gun gets, the less pleasant and controllable it is.
It's sometimes hard to find a balance between a concealable gun and a shootable gun.
Guns that I did think do this well are the SIG P-225 (P6) or the Ruger SP-101. The S&W M&P Compacts are pretty gentle shooting 9mm's as well. Also, I shot a .380 Makarov once that was a really pleasant gun.
I would certainly not consider something like a Kel-Tec P3AT - that stands out as one of the most unpleasant guns I've ever fired. P-32 was OK though.
In particular though, the .357 revolver like a S&W 60 or SP-101 could really shine here. There is so much versatility there just by switching ammo. You could remove your 125 grain JHP teeth-rattlers at the end of the day and load the gun with whatever the wife prefers with no effort and no decrease in reliability. It's possible that you might even prefer a lighter load with less muzzle blast and noise for indoor use at night. They should also work pretty well for CCW.
I'd say the best thing you can do is heavily involve your wife in the decision and just plain flat-out don't consider anything that she won't be able to use.
I'd also stuff the 12 gauge with some reduced recoil "tactical" loads. Seems to me that the 500 I used to have wasn't at all unpleasant with Federal tactical #4 Buck so maybe your wife could handle that.
It's sometimes hard to find a balance between a concealable gun and a shootable gun.
Guns that I did think do this well are the SIG P-225 (P6) or the Ruger SP-101. The S&W M&P Compacts are pretty gentle shooting 9mm's as well. Also, I shot a .380 Makarov once that was a really pleasant gun.
I would certainly not consider something like a Kel-Tec P3AT - that stands out as one of the most unpleasant guns I've ever fired. P-32 was OK though.
In particular though, the .357 revolver like a S&W 60 or SP-101 could really shine here. There is so much versatility there just by switching ammo. You could remove your 125 grain JHP teeth-rattlers at the end of the day and load the gun with whatever the wife prefers with no effort and no decrease in reliability. It's possible that you might even prefer a lighter load with less muzzle blast and noise for indoor use at night. They should also work pretty well for CCW.
I'd say the best thing you can do is heavily involve your wife in the decision and just plain flat-out don't consider anything that she won't be able to use.
I'd also stuff the 12 gauge with some reduced recoil "tactical" loads. Seems to me that the 500 I used to have wasn't at all unpleasant with Federal tactical #4 Buck so maybe your wife could handle that.
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svxapeal
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I am a woman with small hands. I just bought a High Standard Crusader compact 1911 in .45acp. The fit is great. You might want to have her try it out. Mine has thinner grips than my husbands full size and is MUCH easier for me to handle. It holds 7 in the mag and one in the chamber...but it also "fits" the full size 1911 mags.
This is a picture of mine side by side with my husbands
As for recoil difference between the compact and the full size...I don't really notice that big of a difference between them.
Caryn
This is a picture of mine side by side with my husbands
As for recoil difference between the compact and the full size...I don't really notice that big of a difference between them.
Caryn
jad0110
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I agree. Both of you need to "test drive" different guns and come to an agreement on the best option.
My wife also has very tiny, child-like hands. Of my 5 handguns, her preferred one is my 5" M1911 in 45 ACP. It isn't ideal, but it works for her. I would have preferred that she pick out her own gun, but she just doesn't like guns that much. Actually, despite being pro-RKBA, she hates guns. :banghead:
Anyway, the 1911 design seems to work well for a lot of folks. If you both like the compact 1911s but didn't like the price, keep in mind that Rock Island 1911s, though basic no frills guns, are usually very reliable right out of the box. New ones are under $500, and I've seen used examples recently for as little as $350. It is a full sized, government model 1911 (5" barrel). But I carry a gub'ment model frequently and don't find it to be an issue (given a good holster and belt).
Do try out some revolvers. One huge advantage of revolvers is the enormous selection of grips available, making a perfect fit more likely. For a combination house/CCW gun, I would think something like a 2.5-4" barrel all-steel S&W K Frame or Ruger Six series in 38 or 357 might be a good bet.
Since this is the only gun you can afford for the time being, resist the urge to talk her into the gun you want. It may take some time, but there is bound to be something out there that will work for both of you.
svxapeal
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Much agreed. It took me nearly year to find the right revolver..and two years to find the right semi.
A range that rents is also a great inexpensive way to test run any thing she might be interested in...and a great way (with out commitment) to exclude anything from the search.
Caryn
arizonaguide
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All good advice folks, and thanks.
It will be mainly a CCW for me, but NUMBER ONE priority is that it MUST primarily fit her small small hand, and be able to be EXCELLENT for HER!
I will then work (CCW) with whatever SHE feels best with. I have smaller hands also, so if it works for her, it'll be okay for me (to CCW). If it was more for me I'd already have a M&Pc or a XDc, but those are too big for her.
The shotgun (reduced loads) will be her main gun if I'm not home. If I am home I'll grab the 12ga, then she'll grab the CCW and the Cell Phone from the nightstand, and head to the Safe Room, and get on the phone. If she "accidently" grabs the 12ga in an emergency, instead of the CCW, well that's okay too. I'll work with either, and we'll both be practicing with both!
The current ideas are a Kahr CW9 (fit her and me well at the gunshop), or a ruger LCP (also fit her excellent!) and we still have to check out revolvers. I'm happy with a revolver also, if we go that route. Good ammo flexability, and just need to see if a smaller 2-1/2 to 3" will be okay for her hand. Cost wise (and Obama wise) the revolver may be the best bang for the buck...althougn I'm sure he'll include double-action revolvers in a semi-auto ban. So that may be a moot issue, anyway.
But, it might be nice to stick with 9mm, and get a conversion barrel for the HiPower ($180) and standardize on 9mm ammo. Kahr and HiPower(.40 converted to 9mm) should both handle 9mm +p (or Corbon) in an emergency, with no issues.
Last point: I have to stick with a down-sweep thumb safety, or NO thumb safety to stay compatible with the HiPower. Can't have down-sweep on one and up-sweep on the other as that's begging for a problem (under pressure) when adrenaline if flowing. Has to be second nature operation. That's why a nice small 1911 would be great, and we'll look into that HiStandard also this next weekend...I think it's under $500.
Leaning toward the Kahr CW9, but we have to check revolvers and the HiStandard 1911c
also. LCP is the "BEST" fit for her (it fits her like the full size HiPower fits me), that's how small her hands are. But I'd like to stick with a 9mm or better, and the Kahr is "next best" with her....everything else just seems too big for her tiny tiny hands...and she's not comfortable.
It will be mainly a CCW for me, but NUMBER ONE priority is that it MUST primarily fit her small small hand, and be able to be EXCELLENT for HER!
I will then work (CCW) with whatever SHE feels best with. I have smaller hands also, so if it works for her, it'll be okay for me (to CCW). If it was more for me I'd already have a M&Pc or a XDc, but those are too big for her.
The shotgun (reduced loads) will be her main gun if I'm not home. If I am home I'll grab the 12ga, then she'll grab the CCW and the Cell Phone from the nightstand, and head to the Safe Room, and get on the phone. If she "accidently" grabs the 12ga in an emergency, instead of the CCW, well that's okay too. I'll work with either, and we'll both be practicing with both!
The current ideas are a Kahr CW9 (fit her and me well at the gunshop), or a ruger LCP (also fit her excellent!) and we still have to check out revolvers. I'm happy with a revolver also, if we go that route. Good ammo flexability, and just need to see if a smaller 2-1/2 to 3" will be okay for her hand. Cost wise (and Obama wise) the revolver may be the best bang for the buck...althougn I'm sure he'll include double-action revolvers in a semi-auto ban. So that may be a moot issue, anyway.
But, it might be nice to stick with 9mm, and get a conversion barrel for the HiPower ($180) and standardize on 9mm ammo. Kahr and HiPower(.40 converted to 9mm) should both handle 9mm +p (or Corbon) in an emergency, with no issues.
Last point: I have to stick with a down-sweep thumb safety, or NO thumb safety to stay compatible with the HiPower. Can't have down-sweep on one and up-sweep on the other as that's begging for a problem (under pressure) when adrenaline if flowing. Has to be second nature operation. That's why a nice small 1911 would be great, and we'll look into that HiStandard also this next weekend...I think it's under $500.
Leaning toward the Kahr CW9, but we have to check revolvers and the HiStandard 1911c
also. LCP is the "BEST" fit for her (it fits her like the full size HiPower fits me), that's how small her hands are. But I'd like to stick with a 9mm or better, and the Kahr is "next best" with her....everything else just seems too big for her tiny tiny hands...and she's not comfortable.
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ArchAngelCD
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Take a look at the Kel-Tec PF-9. The PF-9 answers all of your concerns. It's a very small and flat pistol. It holds 7+1 rounds of 9mm but in a single stack Mag so the grip is small to address your wife's small hands. A friend just got one, I fired it and it's more accurate than I expected. The PF-9 might be just what you're looking for.
I'd suggest shooting the small Kahr's and especially the little Ruger before buying them.
The P9 I had wasn't exactly painful to shoot but it wasn't pleasant either. People who shot it noted that the recoil was a little snappy. It would probably put off an inexperienced shooter. I actually sold it so I could buy a gun that would be more fun to practice with (thus making me a better marksman).
On the little Ruger LCP, never shot one but I have shot the P3AT that it was apparently copied from. I WOULD NOT suggest a gun that size and weight for a new shooter.
Having a gun fit your hand is great but if it's unpleasant to shoot, you're not going to shoot it.
So you'd best make sure you and the wife enjoy shooting a gun before you spend your limited resources on one.
OTOH, maybe I'm just getting to be a pansy in my old age...
The P9 I had wasn't exactly painful to shoot but it wasn't pleasant either. People who shot it noted that the recoil was a little snappy. It would probably put off an inexperienced shooter. I actually sold it so I could buy a gun that would be more fun to practice with (thus making me a better marksman).
On the little Ruger LCP, never shot one but I have shot the P3AT that it was apparently copied from. I WOULD NOT suggest a gun that size and weight for a new shooter.
Having a gun fit your hand is great but if it's unpleasant to shoot, you're not going to shoot it.
So you'd best make sure you and the wife enjoy shooting a gun before you spend your limited resources on one.
OTOH, maybe I'm just getting to be a pansy in my old age...
sm
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The lady needs to choose her own.
I strongly suggest a dedicated .38spl revolver as over the decades this has been the most chosen by ladies for home use.
By far in my experience,
The 3" K frame Model 10 and Model 64 and Colt Detective Special are the two most favored, shot by ladies to verify and chosen to use at home.
Ruger SP101 in dedicated .38spl is next up.
.38spl round is a low pressure round which I recommend for indoors, and the .44 spl is too, another recommended and another a number of ladies choose to use for a home gun a .44 spl.
Revolvers do not go out of battery when against a door or human torso when the door is being answered.
In bed, there is no slide to get hung up on pillows, linens and the like.
Revolvers such as snub nose, 3" and 4" are more difficult to be taken away in grappling.
I recommend fixed sights, more smooth, less to hang up, and all one needs.
.38spl allows for quality dry fire practice with snap caps and putting a dime atop barrel near front sight and running a cylinder Double Action Only and not having that dime fall off.
Speer Plastic Training Bullets are primer fired, and re usable. Indoors in say a barn, warehouse, garage , etc, lots of quality practice when the weather is bad.
Fixed sighted .38spl are set up to shoot standard pressure 158 gr loads POA/POI.
As well as 148 gr lead wad cutters.
The gun is not ammo dependent, and it will shoot a variety of loadings from mild target loads to beefier.
Now at sometime in life one gets hurt, has surgery, and they need a gun they can load , unload, and make safe.
i.e Carpal Tunnel surgery, and it is hard to load semi auto mags.
Cylinders are easier to load/unload, and make safe with one one hand.
S&Ws allow for more stock choices to tweak gun fit to hands.
Tornadoes took from a lot of my guns earlier this year.
My pet Model 64 , 3" RB, Ruger SP101 in dedicated .38spl are gone. I will never have guns like these again, and I miss them. I do have a Colt Detective Special .
A few years ago a Pet Ruger Six was taken due to fire...another great gun.
Too many ladies over too many years have used the Model 64, SP101 and a Colt DS at a range and made their choice.
This is one reason I had them.
At a private range we had lots of these, with different stocks, and again the ladies shot the guns, walked around with these in holsters, and made choices based on actually shooting, and with different stocks, and different loadings.
A lady may get the money up for a BHP, or 1911 Commander size ( we don't do smaller than Commander size) later on, still they never get rid of that revolver.
Never.
It has proven to be that good for too many ladies and I go back decades with this.
I strongly suggest a dedicated .38spl revolver as over the decades this has been the most chosen by ladies for home use.
By far in my experience,
The 3" K frame Model 10 and Model 64 and Colt Detective Special are the two most favored, shot by ladies to verify and chosen to use at home.
Ruger SP101 in dedicated .38spl is next up.
.38spl round is a low pressure round which I recommend for indoors, and the .44 spl is too, another recommended and another a number of ladies choose to use for a home gun a .44 spl.
Revolvers do not go out of battery when against a door or human torso when the door is being answered.
In bed, there is no slide to get hung up on pillows, linens and the like.
Revolvers such as snub nose, 3" and 4" are more difficult to be taken away in grappling.
I recommend fixed sights, more smooth, less to hang up, and all one needs.
.38spl allows for quality dry fire practice with snap caps and putting a dime atop barrel near front sight and running a cylinder Double Action Only and not having that dime fall off.
Speer Plastic Training Bullets are primer fired, and re usable. Indoors in say a barn, warehouse, garage , etc, lots of quality practice when the weather is bad.
Fixed sighted .38spl are set up to shoot standard pressure 158 gr loads POA/POI.
As well as 148 gr lead wad cutters.
The gun is not ammo dependent, and it will shoot a variety of loadings from mild target loads to beefier.
Now at sometime in life one gets hurt, has surgery, and they need a gun they can load , unload, and make safe.
i.e Carpal Tunnel surgery, and it is hard to load semi auto mags.
Cylinders are easier to load/unload, and make safe with one one hand.
S&Ws allow for more stock choices to tweak gun fit to hands.
Tornadoes took from a lot of my guns earlier this year.
My pet Model 64 , 3" RB, Ruger SP101 in dedicated .38spl are gone. I will never have guns like these again, and I miss them. I do have a Colt Detective Special .
A few years ago a Pet Ruger Six was taken due to fire...another great gun.
Too many ladies over too many years have used the Model 64, SP101 and a Colt DS at a range and made their choice.
This is one reason I had them.
At a private range we had lots of these, with different stocks, and again the ladies shot the guns, walked around with these in holsters, and made choices based on actually shooting, and with different stocks, and different loadings.
A lady may get the money up for a BHP, or 1911 Commander size ( we don't do smaller than Commander size) later on, still they never get rid of that revolver.
Never.
It has proven to be that good for too many ladies and I go back decades with this.
C-grunt
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My wife likes my SP-101 and she feels the 1911 is the best semi fit for her.
sm
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These guns fit most hands:
BHP
1911
S&W 3913
K frame
Colt Detective Special (D frame)
Ruger SP101
This was all figured out long before many guns now come to be.
In a hurry, toss anyone, especially a lady a 1911, Colt DS and K frame,and one of the three will fit her the best.
The K frame allows for tweaking fun fit better as there are more stock offerings for it.
That said, and I grew up with S&W handguns, the more ladies handle a Detective Special, the more like it and want one.
It totes like a J frame and feels like a K frame in hand.
1. Never hand a lady a 28 gauge and especially let her shoot it.
2. Never hand your wife, daughter, or grand daughter, a Colt Detective Special.
You will end up buying a 28 gauge and losing your DS to that wife/daughter/ granddaughter.
If this ain't etched in granite, it should be. I did my part and have too many guys that can attest to this.
[Easy to spot these guys, they have long faces, whine and have hands pulling out pockets showing empty]
*I help ladies real well*
BHP
1911
S&W 3913
K frame
Colt Detective Special (D frame)
Ruger SP101
This was all figured out long before many guns now come to be.
In a hurry, toss anyone, especially a lady a 1911, Colt DS and K frame,and one of the three will fit her the best.
The K frame allows for tweaking fun fit better as there are more stock offerings for it.
That said, and I grew up with S&W handguns, the more ladies handle a Detective Special, the more like it and want one.
It totes like a J frame and feels like a K frame in hand.
1. Never hand a lady a 28 gauge and especially let her shoot it.
2. Never hand your wife, daughter, or grand daughter, a Colt Detective Special.
You will end up buying a 28 gauge and losing your DS to that wife/daughter/ granddaughter.
If this ain't etched in granite, it should be. I did my part and have too many guys that can attest to this.
[Easy to spot these guys, they have long faces, whine and have hands pulling out pockets showing empty]
*I help ladies real well*
We have two HiPowers in the bedroom. One on either side of the bed in a Wilderness Safepacker. My wife doesn't want a large carry gun so I found her a Mustang Pocketlite. I carry a Colt Government .380 or a 1911.
This keeps the manual of arms the same for all our defensive guns.
If money is the issue, try buying used or look at the Bersa thunder.
This keeps the manual of arms the same for all our defensive guns.
If money is the issue, try buying used or look at the Bersa thunder.
Orange_Magnum
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Firestar M43 9mm with a serial number above 2,000,000. No +p.
Ken Rainey
Member
Yep, I gotta agree with sm, as a matter of fact, just today my 30 year old daughter who is all of 4ft, 11 inches tall and about 95 lbs just took a four inch (pencil barrel) S&W model 10 .38 as her home defense handgun. She's never really been a gun person, but has been shooting a few times and is not afraid of guns. She's only ever kept a single action .22 revolver on hand but has come to realize that something with a little more authority and easier to use under pressure may be needed....so, after a quick class on it's operation and a few dry fires, she loaded up with standard 158 grain LSWC ammo and headed home. We'll hit the range as soon as weather permits but she liked the revolver was able to dry fire it well in double action and it even has the stock grips on it's square butt frame!
As someone said earlier, when considering a semi auto, she'll need to be able to operate the slide, etc. I've seen many women who like the smaller semi auto's for hand fit, ease of concealment, etc. but when it come to operating it, it was a different story and they quickly learned the benefit of a revolver or larger, easier to operate semi auto....for an easy to use semi, most women seem to like the Glock model 19, even some who initially don't like the way it feels in hand quickly change their mind after actually firing it...my wife was one of those...she's always been a revolver woman but when I finally got her to actually fire the G19 she quickly switched to it for her preferred carry pistol and she's only about 5ft 3 with smaller hands too. Comfort during actual use wins out!
Good luck with your quest...
As someone said earlier, when considering a semi auto, she'll need to be able to operate the slide, etc. I've seen many women who like the smaller semi auto's for hand fit, ease of concealment, etc. but when it come to operating it, it was a different story and they quickly learned the benefit of a revolver or larger, easier to operate semi auto....for an easy to use semi, most women seem to like the Glock model 19, even some who initially don't like the way it feels in hand quickly change their mind after actually firing it...my wife was one of those...she's always been a revolver woman but when I finally got her to actually fire the G19 she quickly switched to it for her preferred carry pistol and she's only about 5ft 3 with smaller hands too. Comfort during actual use wins out!
Good luck with your quest...
innerpiece
Member
sm, you ever tried a Kahr? try it.
arizonaguide, when/if you get the CW9, get the cheap $12 Hogue slip on grips. if the grip itsself is a bit too thin for ya, throw that grip on and youll feel a major dif.
thats kinda how we did it.. Im 5'11, shes 5'2 hand size difference go without saying.
go handle one. n let us know!
ip.
arizonaguide, when/if you get the CW9, get the cheap $12 Hogue slip on grips. if the grip itsself is a bit too thin for ya, throw that grip on and youll feel a major dif.
thats kinda how we did it.. Im 5'11, shes 5'2 hand size difference go without saying.
go handle one. n let us know!
ip.
arizonaguide
Member
Thanks Folks! Lots of good stuff.
(still leaning toward the KAHR, but plan on doing some last minute hand's on .38spl/etc this weekend..just to make sure it's what SHE likes!) With the Kahr we could eventually share ammo with my HiPower (HP=.40, but with 9mm conversion barrel $180 later)).
We could get the CW40, and share ammo now, but I was thinking that's probably too "snappy" for her.
Although I guess we could train her with low pressure .40 rounds. Hmmmmmmm. (thinking out loud).
Maybe CW40 with light rounds for training, and CORBON's for Carry. I kinda like that.
I could buy a lot of super-low-pressure .40's for training...for the cost of that $180 conversion barrel for the HiPower.
Sure has a lot more "punch" than the 38spl, or even the 9mm. I'll have to check the numbers between .40corbons and 9mm+p's. Dang, just when I think I got it all figured out...my mind gets turned around on the variables again! I like the sharing ammo thing, though. With just different loads for her/me. (and training/carry).
(still leaning toward the KAHR, but plan on doing some last minute hand's on .38spl/etc this weekend..just to make sure it's what SHE likes!) With the Kahr we could eventually share ammo with my HiPower (HP=.40, but with 9mm conversion barrel $180 later)).
We could get the CW40, and share ammo now, but I was thinking that's probably too "snappy" for her.
Although I guess we could train her with low pressure .40 rounds. Hmmmmmmm. (thinking out loud).
Maybe CW40 with light rounds for training, and CORBON's for Carry. I kinda like that.
I could buy a lot of super-low-pressure .40's for training...for the cost of that $180 conversion barrel for the HiPower.
Sure has a lot more "punch" than the 38spl, or even the 9mm. I'll have to check the numbers between .40corbons and 9mm+p's. Dang, just when I think I got it all figured out...my mind gets turned around on the variables again! I like the sharing ammo thing, though. With just different loads for her/me. (and training/carry).
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sm
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Err...no I have not.
I had a couple left for me to mess with if I wanted and my experience is with sticking one unloaded in my back pocket, or inside waistband and checking something out for a new LEO that said it was approved for her to use.
I was busy with some ladies in private with NAA mini revolvers in .22 lr , with
1 1/8" barrels with the factory lanyard installed.
I was sharing how to break of the trunks of their vehicles, and having to use that gun.
Or if down and had lost the primary gun , and hands could not access anything else , but the hands were near chest, neck and face how to use one.
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Glocks hate me.
This is not a bash on my part, just the fact is, everyone has some brand name that does not like them be it a Car Mfg, Household Appliance, Clothing, etc.
Yes, the grip angle is not what I am used to, then again I am old enough to remember when there was no Glock , Kahr, and other companies.
A Sheriff Deputy was shooting his issued weapon and asked if I wanted to, it broke.
It was running fine, until I shot it, and he to use his other one just like it for work that night.
Gunsmith buddy got in 3 brand new Glocks, and he asked me open them so he could do the paper work.
Sights fell off one, and the other two had other problems.
I was not allowed to assist students with Glocks. I mean a darn 26 is running fine for a lady, and other gals she let shoot it, and I walk up and her 26 goes "pffft!"
It was sort of a running joke, until one day we were doing serious lessons in a shoot house.
A NO Weapon set up and the deal being two guards are shot and my deal is to survive.
I cannot enter this shoot house with even a knife, NO Weapons at all.
The Glocks had worked for others, but when I got them off dead guards, they would not.
The Pucker Factor really kicked in one day. I had been in a Fed Courthouse, and of course had no Weapons.
I exit, and was given a Glock to use until we got back to my vehicle and guns.
The gun had worked, I watched it being shot, this guy always shot a gun with mags after taking one apart.
Later that evening, out back that gun would not work.
I had carried a gun that would not work for hours through bad parts of town.
I do not do well with front wheel drive Chrysler products either.
I have seen guns just not do well with folks . Just like I said some brand of appliances or clothing do not.
Hence try before you buy to know beforehand.
-J Frames.
I am not a proponent of J frames being the first gun, especially to learn on.While it fits smaller hands, it takes more to learn the correct basic fundamentals.
In the old days the .22 lr S&W snub nose was an excellent gun for those that carried Snub Nosed J frames as issued guns, like Detectives.
I wish S&W would bring that gun back , without a lock.
That said, kids want to shoot and the J frame fits their hands. Ditto for ladies with small hands.
If that is all they have, maybe a gun left to them, then we bend the rules to fit the person.
Speer Plastic Bullets, are primer fired and reusable. Kids can shoot this gun, as can the ladies with petite hands.
It is fun, still serious lessons on shooting a snub nose J frame.
Wax Bullets are another great teaching, training tool , that affords quality practice.
Revolvers are not ammo dependent, and this J frame can be loaded up with really mild reloads to get correct basic fundamentals down.
Keep in mind back in the day good used police trade ins, allowed a lot of ladies (anyone) to get a quality gun for less monies.
Cops get a break on price with Glocks, and other brands. J.Q.Public does not.
Keep in mind I was dealing with single ladies, single moms, kids, elderly, and physically limited.
Some were victims of sexual assault, rape, beaten, battered, abused...
Others were victims of other crimes.
They tried before they bought, and money was a concern. They need to keep a car running, or medicine for a sick kid, or even Co-Pay for a Doctor's visit during cold, flu season.
I and mine focused on Software, not Hardware. We had all sorts of guns, with stocks to assist in gun fit. Holsters were available for folks to try.
These folks cannot afford to buy something that does fit them, and have a drawer full of holsters that will not work for them.
Holsters tried, and then one determined to work, then go find on in used holster bin.
Ladies never said "they don't make stuff to fit girls!" Heck they don't make holsters to fit all guys either.
Shoe Repair folks would undo and redo a holster to fit a lady, or gent.
So would the folks that worked leather.
Shoe repair and those that work leather know things, and the student and them worked together.
i.e. Contoured Belts.
Not just for ladies, also for some men body types.
I am in my early 50s and I recall as a kid Shoe Repair, or someone that worked leather contouring a belt, or making one contoured.
There is nothing wrong with new stuff.
Do keep in mind a lot of what is called "new" , is instead those things re-discovered.
How old is the 1911, BHP, Colt DS, Model 10,...?
Ken Rainey
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Well, arizonaguide, I don't mean to burst your bubble but there ain't no low pressure .40 rounds to be bought, unless it's a reload...and...a conversion barrel ain't always reliable enough to be used for defensive purposes...sigh...
I appreciate the desire for compatable ammo use but then again, it ain't really gonna be of a "tactical" help unless your pistols could use the same magazines....
The Kahr is a nice pistol, well, the K9s I had were....but, the problem that presented itself when my (former) wife and I were both carrying one was that she had difficulty with the slide....she could manage it fairly well as far as chambering a round and she fired it very well, but, when it came time to disassemble for cleaning, she could not do it....she was introduced to a Glock 19 and all was well, even though it was a larger pistol and a larger purse was needed when she took it with her...she could operate and fire it very well and could disassemble it herself....and thus, I too carried a Glock when we were together to be compatable....although, she could easily operate and fire a revolver, she was more accurate with the Glock and eventually, sometimes she would carry the smaller Glock 26 but the 19 was "her gun".
For compatability, picking up a 9mm HiPower might work out well for y'all too...that way she could get accustomed to it's operation and then at least the manual of arms would be the same for both of your carry guns...and if you got a conversion barrel for your pistol later on, then the economy of both using 9mm practice ammo could be enjoyed....I know, decisions, decisions...
Of course, a good ol' .38 special is always a good choice too...just takes a little more trigger time to get good with but snap caps and dry firing go a long way toward achieving that goal in a short time....
Enjoy the search!
I appreciate the desire for compatable ammo use but then again, it ain't really gonna be of a "tactical" help unless your pistols could use the same magazines....
The Kahr is a nice pistol, well, the K9s I had were....but, the problem that presented itself when my (former) wife and I were both carrying one was that she had difficulty with the slide....she could manage it fairly well as far as chambering a round and she fired it very well, but, when it came time to disassemble for cleaning, she could not do it....she was introduced to a Glock 19 and all was well, even though it was a larger pistol and a larger purse was needed when she took it with her...she could operate and fire it very well and could disassemble it herself....and thus, I too carried a Glock when we were together to be compatable....although, she could easily operate and fire a revolver, she was more accurate with the Glock and eventually, sometimes she would carry the smaller Glock 26 but the 19 was "her gun".
For compatability, picking up a 9mm HiPower might work out well for y'all too...that way she could get accustomed to it's operation and then at least the manual of arms would be the same for both of your carry guns...and if you got a conversion barrel for your pistol later on, then the economy of both using 9mm practice ammo could be enjoyed....I know, decisions, decisions...
Of course, a good ol' .38 special is always a good choice too...just takes a little more trigger time to get good with but snap caps and dry firing go a long way toward achieving that goal in a short time....
Enjoy the search!
arizonaguide
Member
SM, I got a great chuckle out of your Glock incompatability. I have some similar products. I cannot wear a watch, because I kill the battery almost immediatly.
Ken, I am kinda bummed about no low pressure .40's. I was almost sure I was onto something there for a minute.
Ken, I am kinda bummed about no low pressure .40's. I was almost sure I was onto something there for a minute.
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