Why do people think 410 self defense ammo from a full sized 410 shotgun are useless?
I wouldn't say "useless" but it's far from awe inspiring. Especially the standard slugs which are pretty anemic
Why do people think 410 self defense ammo from a full sized 410 shotgun are useless?
Have you shot much 410 slugs? Just about all the 410 slugs on the market will produce 650 ft-lbs or more from a shotgun length barrel. The Brenneke slugs produce 1000 ft-lbs from my 24-in Win 9410 barrel. The only problem is the horrible BC which limits range to fairly short range but within that range it is a mild recoiling cartridge with 357 mag levels of energy with light for caliber projectiles.I wouldn't say "useless" but it's far from awe inspiring. Especially the standard slugs which are pretty anemic
Folks were convinced also that the 410 shells made it the ultimate stopper as compared to a standard round.
Missouri specifically allows 410 slugs in their hunting regulations. A little over half the states in the US allow 410 slugs for deer hunting.While I never used 410 slugs for deer since they are/were illegal for deer hunting in Missouri, they do work great for knocking a treed raccoon to the ground.
Missouri specifically allows 410 slugs in their hunting regulations. A little over half the states in the US allow 410 slugs for deer hunting.
Do I really need to if I understand external ballistics.Have you shot much 410 slugs?
Do I really need to if I understand external ballistics.
Energy especially when used as a single determinent can be very misleading as it ignores momentum. There's another "problem" with light for caliber besides BC and that's sectional density, a 110gr .410 projectile has a SD of .09, which leads to poor penetration less than 9" in ballistic gel. That doesn't leave much margin for error but hey Belle Twin killed a world record grizzly with a 22.View attachment 1010190
Heck my LCP 380 penetrates better and is legal in Kansas anybody think that's a good idea?
They sure look heavy.
If Taurus came out with the same frame in 44 special or 45 colt with an appropriate length cylinder I would find that exceedingly interesting but a long cylinder short barreled gun just doesn't appeal to me.
I killed my first deer at 1 years old, with a 410. My Dad stepped it off at around 55 yards. Believe me.....it was just the deers bad day. I didn’t hit were I was aiming, the slug didn’t penetrate very deeply and had I not hit a major vein in the neck.....the deer would have likely died of old age! memtb
I would tend to think "most action" starts at fairly close distances.IMO, the more people that own and use judges, the better. They think the action always starts at 7 yards and I find comfort in that.
I don't own a judge, and practice with my revolvers out to 50 yards. I think you can see why I feel pretty comfortable.
The Governor is basically the same size as a 4" 625, and its lighter to boot. Both guns use the same moon clips too.No hate here, but I do not favor the concept, either. Excess free-bore does me no favors regarding velocity or accuracy, with .45 bullets, and that added overall length results in a clumsier weapon. I can bring CCI .45 Colt shot shells along, which is far less bother than carrying .410 shot shells and a longer, heavier dual-purpose revolver.
I would tend to think "most action" starts at fairly close distances.
No, I dont see what you mean at all. And what I stated I believe you will find is just a fact.See what I mean? And this assumption is why you own a gov.
Plenty of recent examples of further distances. The Texas example of motorcyclist stopping traffic and walking back aiming at SUV with kids inside, is one.
C'mon now, If everyone did this it would ruin gun forums on the internet.Might I suggest you actually get out and give one a good try sometime, and see what the real deal is,