Judge overrules ATF, restores gun license

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It is reported in WND. Do you anti WND people want to deny it.

Judge overrules ATF, restores gun license
Concludes paperwork mistakes didn't support allegation of being willful
Posted: September 19, 2008
8:57 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75716


A judge has overruled the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, restoring a gun license to a family-run North Carolina business, because the evidence didn't support BATFE claims that paperwork mistakes in the records of gun sales were willful.

"The court finds, after hearing all the evidence, that the errors made by Jim's of Fayetteville or Jim's of Wilmington do not constitute the type of 'conscious, intentional, deliberate, [and] voluntary' actions that are deemed willful," wrote U.S. District Judge Malcolm J. Howard.

The store, Jim's Gun Jobbery, which is run by James Faircloth and his family in two stores, had been tracked by federal agents for more than a decade – and through tens of thousands of transactions, for paperwork errors in its record-keeping system for gun sales.

It was in 2004 when the BATFE revoked the gun sales licenses of the stores. The federal agency alleged the stores were willfully lax in keeping records of gun inventory and sales.

The store owners responded that there were unintentional paperwork errors in record keeping, and that might well be expected with the high volume of business the stores did. But they trained employees, instituted new procedures and provided workers with written guidelines on handling such transactions.

The store's appeal of the order allowed it to remain in business while the case was pending, including through the efforts of the U.S. attorney's office, which twice tried to convince the judge the store owners deliberately failed to keep records, or just didn't care.

The judge, however, disagreed, noting the store appeared to have "made a concerted effort to comply with the laws and regulations governing firearms transactions."

He continued: "At both locations, petitioners also went to great lengths to determine the acquisition and disposition of guns where the records were incomplete, even continuing to search for answers following the Notices of Revocation."

"Other than the violations themselves, there was no evidence that petitioners displayed a disregard for the regulations. In fact, the evidence shows the opposite," the judge wrote in his decision this week. "The evidence shows that Mr. Faircloth told his daughters, 'If you are going to be in the gun business, you have to comply with the law."

"Jim's of Fayetteville and Jim's of Wilmington took many steps to increase their compliance with the [federal gun law], including printing an employee manual dedicated to proper cataloging techniques, holding repeated training courses on how to keep proper records, establishing a calendar system to keep up with multiple sales, and designating one staff member at each store to be in charge … of the books."

"Rather than willfulness to commit violations, the court finds that the evidence before the court shows, through a pattern of improvement during the years in which the inspections took place, a conscious effort to comply with [the law]," the judge said.

"According, the court finds [the BATFE] was without authority to revoke peittioners' licenses and ORDERS that respondent's previously issued orders revoking petitioners' federal firearms licenses are hereby overruled and set aside," the judge said.

A lawyer for the store said he was pleased the judge took "a realistic view" of the procedures for handling such large amounts of paperwork.

The paperwork mistakes involved blanks left on gun purchase forms, a failure to properly document the purchase or sales of others weapons, and other infractions. At the store's worst performance, the federal agency cited about a one percent error rate on the documentation of more than 100,000 transactions.

The issue of paperwork violations has come up in other cases, and WND has reported on the case of an Idaho gun shop also facing similar allegations.

WND also has reported on industry concerns that federal agents are using the technicalities of such rules and regulations to shut down gun shops, reducing the number of federally licensed dealers in the nation by tens of thousands.
 
This being the same BATFE that was just found to have lost HOW MANY guns and computers?
The BATFE lost actual firearms, this seems to be paperwork issues, no actual guns lost were reported in the story. I think they would have pounded Jim on that.
A couple of BATFE firearms were used in crimes that they know of right now. Antis like to spout off how many guns from which dealer were used in crimes like the dealer did the crimes remotely. I am sure if that were the case here, lost guns showing up involved in crimmal acts, we would have heard about Jims selling crime guns.
The story said he was tracked for a decade! 10 years and this is all they get. I say he did a magnificent job of record keeping. For some agents this will be the only case they work for half their working life.
BATFE needs to be reformed until it is not a threat to law abiding businesses any longer.:mad:
 
now do these stores have a good case to sue to the government and get some of the money they lost defending themselves back? Would really suck to see 2 gun stores to under becuase of some crappy government work.


And 1% out of a 100,000 transactions. I wanna see a complete audit of the Army standard issue M9. Lets see if they can keep how many are lost/missing under the 10% per 100k.

Gotta love government double standards. And its gotta make that gun store feel pretty good about keeping federal agents busy for 10 years only to find they had nothing at all.....
 
ATF Reformed?

At one time America functioned quite well, with no ATF!

Close it down. Any on going real cases, if they have any of those, pass off to the other Federal Agency's, assign the case load, with the Officers, to that agency, if these seconded staff work out, and are wanted, they can jump ship on completion of their current assignments.

It should have been disbanded after, for one, Ruby Ridge.
 
JohnBT never believes WND, but the link he supplied to the "closer" Fayetteville Observer didn't work this morning (9/20 10:30 am EST) while the WND link to the story did.

Of course you can find derivative sources such as the NRA's take:
Gunshops can keep licenses, judge says
A federal judge decided Tuesday that Jim’s Gun Jobbery of Fayetteville and the Jim’s store in Wilmington can keep their licenses to sell firearms. Jim’s Gun Jobbery in Fayetteville and Jim’s Pawn & Gun in Wilmington sometimes violated regulations requiring dealers to closely track their inventory, U.S. District Judge Malcolm J. Howard said in his ruling. But he decided the violations were unintentional and made up only a tiny percentage of the stores’ sales since Jim Faircloth went into business in 1977.
Read About It: Fayettville Observer
Posted: 9/18/2008 4:38:42 PM

or the anti-gun site Gun Policy's take:
Judge Reprieves US Gun Dealer Who for 8 Years 'Repeatedly Lost' Guns
Fayetteville Observer (North Carolina)
18 September 2008

A federal judge decided Tuesday that Jim's Gun Jobbery of Fayetteville and the Jim's store in Wilmington can keep their licenses to sell firearms. Jim's Gun Jobbery in Fayetteville and Jim's Pawn & Gun in Wilmington sometimes violated regulations requiring dealers to closely track their inventory, U.S. District Judge Malcolm J. Howard said in his ruling. But he decided the violations were unintentional and made up only a tiny percentage... ( gunpolicy.org )
Read More: Fayetteville Observer (North Carolina) 28237

It appears that the anti-gun Gun Policy posting gives more of the actual flavor of the tone of this article from the Fayetteville Observer than the NRA's posting. The NRA's title appears to represent a more factually correct distillation of the story's content.

As for whether WND should be believed, one could raise the question with any source (including the NRA). All of us could contribute to believability by posting from original sources (this judges opinion is given some where, why not find it and let us see it for ourselves).
 
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All of us could contribute to believability by posting from original sources (this judges opinion is given some where, why not find it and let us see it for ourselves).

Give the man a cigar and toss the gossip out the door.
 
FO said:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has been trying since 2005 to revoke the licenses of Jim’s, said to be the largest gun dealer in North Carolina. The ATF said the stores repeatedly lost track of guns in their inventory over an eight-year period and had not resolved the problem despite repeated warnings.

Yet later on they say...

FO said:
Howard said Jim’s violated the law but the business worked hard to improve. It located most of the guns thought missing, and over the years the number of errors declined.
That shows bias in that they are saying that this is Mr. Big Bad Gun Dealer that loses guns, but they can't be too crazy about it, so some miss such things...they they say...

FO said:
In practice, Jim’s tracked its inventory with logbooks and other records filled out by hand.
Which makes it seem like it's shoddy record keeping because everything is computerized to those that aren't familiar with the gun laws.
 
BATFE needs to be reformed until it is not a threat to law abiding businesses any longer.
I disaagree.

The BATFE is clearly dysfunctional on an institutional, organizational level. It cannot be repaired. It NEEDS to be disbanded ... completely eliminated.
 
This is a great judgement. I just wish the gunshop could have worked it out with BATF without pushing it into court or the BATF trying to pull their license.

If someone is trying to take away my primary means of support, I might very well fight to the death. The BATF needs a bit of common sense applied to their enforcement activities.

This all started back during the Clinton years. And folks wanted to nominate Hillary Clinton. Berry O is worse.

People think that someone has flipped out when they fight tyranny.
 
rbernie -

It also looks like what Phil was saying was that the headline the Observer used was slanted. It implied the store lost guns regularly, and that the judge gave them a pass, when the reality was more that they lost paperwork track of guns occasionally, and the judge ruled that it was not intentional and did not meet the ATF's claim of wilful and intentional.

That's my take, anyway.
 
Seeing as how the BATF doesn't have a sense of humor, anybody wanna bet they are going to be on this FFL like white on rice for the next, oh, 20 years or so?
 
Does the BATFE ever spend time investigating real criminals who are buying and selling guns on the black market? Or is the only purpose for their existence to harass law abiding businesses over paperwork errors?

I agree with others here that the BATFE should be shut down and their legitimate crime fighting responsibilities transferred to other law enforcement agencies. I can't imagine the FBI wasting 10 years investigating a small business over clerical errors.
 
I imagine this guy is conducted his own paperwork audits regularly.

It is good that the court is not allowing the BATFE to revoke licenses on minor paperwork errors. I hope this doesn't get changed on some sort of appeal.
 
One other thing: With all the money the BATFE spent on this investigation, wouldn't it have been cheaper simply to park an agent at the store at all times to review paperwork and log books continuously?
 
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